Author Topic: Does the IFBB have a Drug Rule??? (Read 15587 times)

tweeter · « **Reply #25 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:15:07 PM »

Quote from: io856 on January 10, 2009, 05:10:55 PM

If the IFBB did do something about drug use then another federation could attract the premier bodybuilders easily with no testing.

Making the IFBB redundant.

I know why they don't test. But that doesn't mean that it is right or that their position should be defended. MLB would be a lot more interesting if everybody hit 70 homeruns a year too.

Chick · « **Reply #26 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:23:56 PM »

Quote from: tweeter on January 10, 2009, 05:13:47 PM

Why should the IFBB enforce a drug policy that is relective of the laws of the countries in which they operate in? Because it is their civic duty as a business to do so. If any company expects that a large percentage of their employees or contractors working on their behalf are using illegal drugs, then that company has a duty to address that issue.

Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #27 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:29:23 PM »

Quote from: The GodFather on January 10, 2009, 04:41:06 PM

It's a simple question.Why have the Rule in the Book if it means NOTHING and everybody is Laughing at the IFBB. $:-\$

is pandafat your sister?

tom joad · « **Reply #28 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:30:21 PM »

I think more people should follow Chick's lead of epic cradle to grave juicing.

dantelis · « **Reply #29 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:31:34 PM »

Does the IFBB have a Drug Rule???

Yes. The IFBB's rule is take a many types of performance enhancing drugs as you want. As long as you can get freaky big, they don't give a shit how you accomplish it.

tweeter · « **Reply #30 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:33:19 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 05:23:56 PM

Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?

First of all, a large number of companies do drug test when someone first gets hired. Granted, I understand that these tests are not very effective as the person usually knows about it far in advance. However, to my knowledge, this is still more than the IFBB does. Also, most companies drug test if some kind of an accident happens in the workplace...just to rule out the possibility of drugs being at fault. In addition, if an employee or contractor is using drugs, it is going to be very hard for a company to have any substantial proof in most cases. However, in the IFBB, the very nature of the sport/hobby and progression of the athletes, in and of itself, lends to strong suspicion that drug use is occuring. Furthermore, the majority of drug use by the working class is marijuana, which is a Schedule I drug; anabolic steroids are a Schedule III drug, so it is a different situation on those merits alone. Finally, I don't know many companies where close to 100% of the workforce uses Schedule III drugs on a regular basis.

Emmortal · « **Reply #31 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:35:13 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 05:23:56 PM

Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?

Haha exactly. I work in the entertainment industry. If they drug tested people in this industry there wouldn't be anyone left making movies.

Chick · « **Reply #32 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:37:23 PM »

Quote from: tweeter on January 10, 2009, 05:33:19 PM

First of all, a large number of companies do drug test when someone first gets hired. Granted, I understand that these tests are not very effective as the person usually knows about it far in advance. However, to my knowledge, this is still more than the IFBB does. Also, most companies drug test if some kind of an accident happens in the workplace...just to rule out the possibility of drugs being at fault. In addition, if an employee or contractor is using drugs, it is going to be very hard for a company to have any substantial proof in most cases. However, in the IFBB, the very nature of the sport/hobby and progression of the athletes, in and of itself, lends to strong suspicion that drug use is occuring. Furthermore, the majority of drug use by the working class is marijuana, which is a Schedule I drug; anabolic steroids are a Schedule III drug, so it is a different situation on those merits alone. Finally, I don't know many companies where close to 100% of the workforce uses Schedule III drugs on a regular basis.

The IFBB doesnt "hire" anybody, nor are the athletes "employees"....it's a club, a federation.

The GodFather · « **Reply #33 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:38:27 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 05:23:56 PM

Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?

Does that make it right Genius??? Now Scram.I have No Fukin Idea why you think having a Drug Rule is such a Laugh hahahahahahaha all the Pros are laughing their way to Hospital.

The GodFather · « **Reply #34 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:42:39 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 05:37:23 PM

The IFBB doesnt "hire" anybody, nor are the athletes "employees"....it's a club, a federation.

OMG I know you have never had an IFBB CONTRACT BUT FFS IFBB Contract is Paying for the services of Pros.GENIUS now Scram.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #35 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:43:05 PM »

Quote from: The GodFather on January 10, 2009, 05:38:27 PM

Does that make it right Genius??? Now Scram.I have No Fukin Idea why you think having a Drug Rule is such a Laugh hahahahahahaha all the Pros are laughing their way to Hospital.

r u a nurse?

tweeter · « **Reply #36 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:44:35 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 05:37:23 PM

The IFBB doesnt "hire" anybody, nor are the athletes "employees"....it's a club, a federation.

They are independent contractors working on behalf of the company and are directly compensated by the company (prize money). The company benefits from their involvement as their primary source of revenue, and therefore, the same level of civic duty applies as if they were actual employees. Also, the IFBB has an additional responsibility above the average company in the fact that their "representatives" are looked up to by many young kids. This is the primary reason that Congress got involved with the MLB's steriod problem. Someone using drugs that is on the cover of a nationally publicized magazine promoting "good health" is not the same as Chuck the janitor smoking a few blunts on his lunch break.

The GodFather · « **Reply #37 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:45:50 PM »

Are you Brain Dead Please Don't tell me Mike Morris, Luke Wood and many many many Other IFBB Pros have NO Fukin health problems from DRUG USE.CLOWN.FFS $:-\$

Quote from: bigdumbbell on January 10, 2009, 05:43:05 PM

r u a nurse?

tweeter · « **Reply #38 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:47:40 PM »

Quote from: The GodFather on January 10, 2009, 05:38:27 PM

Does that make it right Genius??? Now Scram.I have No Fukin Idea why you think having a Drug Rule is such a Laugh hahahahahahaha all the Pros are laughing their way to Hospital.

Exactly. I was just about to say the same thing. As a representative (albeit indirectly) for an organization, I don't believe it is a good idea to defend that organization's policy based on the shortcomings that you percieve in other organizations. Are you sure you're not the 15 year old Chick?

tom joad · « **Reply #39 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:49:42 PM »

Quote from: tweeter on January 10, 2009, 04:46:41 PM

I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it.

can't compare athletes/sports to oiled up junkies in thongs.

tweeter · « **Reply #40 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:51:04 PM »

Quote from: tom joad on January 10, 2009, 05:49:42 PM

can't compare athletes/sports to oiled up men in thongs.

True. That is why I tried to use the term "sport/hobby" in the rest of my posts. Regardless, the status of bodybuilding as a sport is not the issue here.

The GodFather · « **Reply #41 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:53:34 PM »

Chicks Best Friend Tommie Boy Prince is one Perfect example of Drug use Gone Bad.Take a LOOK at his Drug use typed in a Public forum and ask yourself is he real smart.FFS $:-\$

tweeter · « **Reply #42 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:56:37 PM »

I know it would never happen because the IFBB is too small...but if they were ever brought before Congress and questioned regarding their steriod policy and enforcement, it would be very comical. I can almost assure you that the IFBB would be found negligent for their lack of testing.

Chick · « **Reply #43 on:** January 10, 2009, 05:59:46 PM »

Quote from: tweeter on January 10, 2009, 05:44:35 PM

They are independent contractors working on behalf of the company and are directly compensated by the company (prize money). The company benefits from their involvement as their primary source of revenue, and therefore, the same level of civic duty applies as if they were actual employees. Also, the IFBB has an additional responsibility above the average company in the fact that their "representatives" are looked up to by many young kids. This is the primary reason that Congress got involved with the MLB's steriod problem. Someone using drugs that is on the cover of a nationally publicized magazine promoting "good health" is not the same as Chuck the janitor smoking a few blunts on his lunch break.

Actually...youre wrong.

The IFBB is a non profit company...prize money is supplied by the promoter, not the IFBB....that said...the athletes are actually part of the Pro League, which is part of the IFBB...only amateurs are actually IN the IFBB....who are tested.

The GodFather · « **Reply #44 on:** January 10, 2009, 06:00:52 PM »

After the 1st Congress question was answered they would Rule the IFBB consists of extremely Low IQ competitors and therefore should be known as Retard Town.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm $:-\$

Chick · « **Reply #45 on:** January 10, 2009, 06:01:30 PM »

Quote from: tweeter on January 10, 2009, 05:56:37 PM

I know it would never happen because the IFBB is too small...but if they were ever brought before Congress and questioned regarding their steriod policy and enforcement, it would be very comical. I can almost assure you that the IFBB would be found negligent for their lack of testing.

Guess it would have to be brought before the Canadian congress, as it's not a US based federation...

tom joad · « **Reply #46 on:** January 10, 2009, 06:02:03 PM »

Quote from: tweeter on January 10, 2009, 05:56:37 PM

I know it would never happen because the IFBB is too small...but if they were ever brought before Congress and questioned regarding their steriod policy and enforcement, it would be very comical. I can almost assure you that the IFBB would be found negligent for their lack of testing.

I wonder what it would take for Congress to get involved? Maybe if attendance at bodybuilding shows were to double (from 150 spectators to 300) then Congress would deem it in the public interest to hold an inquiry.

The GodFather · « **Reply #47 on:** January 10, 2009, 06:03:40 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 05:59:46 PM

Actually...youre wrong.

The IFBB is a non profit company...prize money is supplied by the promoter, not the IFBB....that said...the athletes are actually part of the Pro League, which is part of the IFBB...only amateurs are actually IN the IFBB....who are tested.

Excuse Excuse Excuse FFS READ THE FUKIN RULE BOOK for IFBB Pros it has a Drug Rule for the Pro League.Now Scram Genius.

The GodFather · « **Reply #48 on:** January 10, 2009, 06:06:40 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 06:01:30 PM

Guess it would have to be brought before the Canadian congress, as it's not a US based federation...

Yet as you say all Pros Health Insurance is only for Americans.Keep Digging Chick you sound like you might be on that Non IFBB Payment system as they are a NON FUKIN PROFIT ORG.GENIUS.

tweeter · « **Reply #49 on:** January 10, 2009, 06:11:40 PM »

Quote from: Chick on January 10, 2009, 06:01:30 PM

Guess it would have to be brought before the Canadian congress, as it's not a US based federation...

Doesn't matter where it is incorporated...as long as it does business within the US. Just because a company is incorporated in Delaware, that doesn't mean it can't be sued in Arizona, etc. The same laws generally apply with Canada to US business relations. Regardless, steroids are still illegal in Canada.