11 Dems who voted against Obama

[CARTEL]

How has he acted like a bitch to iran?

He's intentionally held back announcing iran policy, while implementing a major PR plan across major arab media.  He is working to undermine their collapsing public support for anti-USA sentiment, and probably working behind the scenes to find some solution.

And, ISR hasn't launched on them, which some thought they'd do, since Dubya wouldn't let ISR do that.

Terrorists all over the world are protesting him, calling him all the same names they called dubya.  Sorry.. you can diss the stim bill, that's cool.   But in terms of foreign affairs, he's been pretty flawless so far dude.

Of course he has been flawless to you.

You are one of those creepy minions that only see a halo on top of his head.

I think it is too early to judge his Foreign Policies, I'm just saying he seems to look pretty weak sucking up to other Foreign Powers (Middle East).

[240 is Back]

So far he has looked like Iran's bitch

Jan 28th
Officials of Barack Obama's administration have drafted a letter to Iran from the president aimed at unfreezing US-Iranian relations and opening the way for face-to-face talks, the Guardian has learned.

The US state department has been working on drafts of the letter since Obama was elected on 4 November last year. It is in reply to a lengthy letter of congratulations sent by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on 6 November.

Diplomats said Obama's letter would be a symbolic gesture to mark a change in tone from the hostile one adopted by the Bush administration, which portrayed Iran as part of an "axis of evil".

It would be intended to allay the ­suspicions of Iran's leaders and pave the way for Obama to engage them directly, a break with past policy.

State department officials have composed at least three drafts of the letter, which gives assurances that Washington does not want to overthrow the Islamic regime, but merely seeks a change in its behaviour. The letter would be addressed to the Iranian people and sent directly to Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, or released as an open letter.

One draft proposal suggests that Iran should compare its relatively low standard of living with that of some of its more prosperous neighbours, and contemplate the benefits of losing its pariah status in the west. Although the tone is conciliatory, it also calls on Iran to end what the US calls state sponsorship of terrorism.

The letter is being considered by the new secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, as part of a sweeping review of US policy on Iran. A decision on sending it is not expected until the review is complete.

[tonymctones]

He's been our President for nine days and we have not been attacked.

He's been our President for nine days and he's won major world goodwill by shutting down Gitmo and going on arab tv telling them USA is not their enemy.

He's been our President for nine days and he's gone on arab TV to diss Al-Q, and their audience maily loved it.

He's been our President for nine days and we have not been attacked.  Obama has kept us safe.  All this talk about our enemies waiting to test us.  So far, so good.

you got to be fuking shitting me you retard weve also lost what 200,000 jobs in the last week should we contribute that to him as well?

I understand your trying to be condescending and ignorant right now but you should really try and limit it when you can b/c most of the time you cant control it

obama removed some of the parts that they requested. 

LOL WHICH PARTS THE PART ABOUT SPENDING MONEY TO GIVE OUT BIRTH CONTROL OR THE PART ABOUT RESAWDING THE LAWN OF THE NATIONAL MALL....LOL well thank you for taking that shit out fuking idiot that shit shouldnt have been in there in the first place this bill is supposed to stimulate the economy and create jobs jack ass.

[CARTEL]

Jan 28th
Officials of Barack Obama's administration have drafted a letter to Iran from the president aimed at unfreezing US-Iranian relations and opening the way for face-to-face talks, the Guardian has learned.

The US state department has been working on drafts of the letter since Obama was elected on 4 November last year. It is in reply to a lengthy letter of congratulations sent by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on 6 November.

Diplomats said Obama's letter would be a symbolic gesture to mark a change in tone from the hostile one adopted by the Bush administration, which portrayed Iran as part of an "axis of evil".

It would be intended to allay the ­suspicions of Iran's leaders and pave the way for Obama to engage them directly, a break with past policy.

State department officials have composed at least three drafts of the letter, which gives assurances that Washington does not want to overthrow the Islamic regime, but merely seeks a change in its behaviour. The letter would be addressed to the Iranian people and sent directly to Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, or released as an open letter.

One draft proposal suggests that Iran should compare its relatively low standard of living with that of some of its more prosperous neighbours, and contemplate the benefits of losing its pariah status in the west. Although the tone is conciliatory, it also calls on Iran to end what the US calls state sponsorship of terrorism.

The letter is being considered by the new secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, as part of a sweeping review of US policy on Iran. A decision on sending it is not expected until the review is complete.

I stand corrected.

He is like Attila the Hun, only meaner.

[Straw Man]

I like repugs

It's my own creation

both symbolic and actual gestures were made

it's going to be long 4 years for the repugs

[tonymctones]

I stand corrected.

He is like Attila the Hun, only meaner.

hahahah so he drafted a mean letter...lol

[tonymctones]

I like repugs

It's my own creation

both symbolic and actual gestures were made

it's going to be long 4 years for the repugs

Iono if its your own creation its all over the internet at any rate its very disrespectful and since i dont go out of my way to disrepect you plz pay me the same courtesy.

[CARTEL]

I like repugs

It's my own creation

both symbolic and actual gestures were made

it's going to be long 4 years for the repugs

It will be a long 4 years for the US, and that includes the Repugs and Fems alike.

[Straw Man]

Iono if its your own creation its all over the internet at any rate its very disrespectful and since i dont go out of my way to disrepect you plz pay me the same courtesy.

I thought it bubbled up in my own brain but I'm sure someone else thought of it too

shit, maybe I even read it somewhere on this board

what courtesy am I supposed to be paying you?

[tonymctones]

I thought it bubbled up in my own brain but I'm sure someone else thought of it too

shit, maybe I even read it somewhere on this board

what courtesy am I supposed to be paying you?

your not supposed to be paying me any courtesy but its out of respect that i try to not make insulting comments about liberals when talking to you so it would be nice if you wouldnt make condescending remarks about reps when talking to me.

[Straw Man]

your not supposed to be paying me any courtesy but its out of respect that i try to not make insulting comments about liberals when talking to you so it would be nice if you wouldnt make condescending remarks about reps when talking to me.

would you feel better if I said Repubs?

Repubs use the word Lib in a pejorative sense all the time

Lib = Bad

Repug

Repub

Repube

Republican

Grand Old Party

I really don't care

[tonymctones]

would you feel better is I said Repubs?

Repubs use the word Lib in a pejorative sense all the time

Lib = Bad

Repug

Repub

Repube

Republican

Grand Old Party

I really don't care

i really dont either but when im not taking jabs at you or your political alignment its common courtesy to not take jabs at mine, just saying is all.

[Straw Man]

i really dont either but when im not taking jabs at you or your political alignment its common courtesy to not take jabs at mine, just saying is all.

I'm temporarily for anything Obama (like I have any choice) but I'm fickle

wait for about 5 minutes until the Dems fuck up and I'll rag on them too

Repug's, Repubes, Dems, Libs...Socialists...fuck ing Commies

I pretty much hate everyone

[tonymctones]

I'm temporarily for anything Obama (like I have any choice) but I'm fickle

wait for about 5 minutes until the Dems fuck up and I'll rag on them too

Repug's, Repubes, Dems, Libs...Socialists...fuck ing Commies

I pretty much hate everyone

LOL that one kinda made me laugh hadnt heard that one yet

[LurkerNoMore]

What happens if the US is attacked on our soil?

Does this weaken him and vindicate George W?

What would 2012 look like then?

It will only cement Bush's rep as the worst president ever.  Because using a page out of the braindead neocon playbook, everyone will just point and say "So?  It was PLANNED during the Bush term."  Since that is an acceptable line of defending Bush against his failure at 9-11.

[shootfighter1]

Straw, set aside the partisanship.  This bill is cluttered with non-stimulus bullshit.  The blue dog dems and republicans spoke up to protect our $.

Non-stimulus items should have been considered in another bill.  This bill has been rushed through and many democrats, along with Pelosi, stuffed it with the pork that Obama said he wouldn't tolerate.  Lets be very clear, the 188 that voted against it were acting in our best economic interest (at least taxpayor interest).  People that don't pay federal or income taxes have no stake and will be supportive because its not their $.

The only reason their opposition didn't stop the bill is because people like you voted for an unbalance of power in our congress!

[headhuntersix]

The House Repubs got very little from Obama...maybe he wanted to give more but Nancy douchebag wouldn't allow it. The Senate is supposed to trim some fat off of this but I'm very happy that the Republicans didn't sell out.

[shootfighter1]

To me, its showing the republicans are starting to have a message.  The message they should have had the last 8 yrs!  Repubs should never have allowed the spending they did under Bush.  Now they have to work with independents and blue dog dems to re-instate a more fiscally conservative message in our government.

[Soul Crusher]

The House Repubs got very little from Obama...maybe he wanted to give more but Nancy douchebag wouldn't allow it. The Senate is supposed to trim some fat off of this but I'm very happy that the Republicans didn't sell out.

The Obama serfs on this board are all too happy with a trillion dollars of new welfare spending.

[240 is Back]

It will only cement Bush's rep as the worst president ever.  Because using a page out of the braindead neocon playbook, everyone will just point and say "So?  It was PLANNED during the Bush term."  Since that is an acceptable line of defending Bush against his failure at 9-11.

ah yes, that would be true. 

[Straw Man]

Straw, set aside the partisanship.  This bill is cluttered with non-stimulus bullshit.  The blue dog dems and republicans spoke up to protect our $.

Non-stimulus items should have been considered in another bill.  This bill has been rushed through and many democrats, along with Pelosi, stuffed it with the pork that Obama said he wouldn't tolerate.  Lets be very clear, the 188 that voted against it were acting in our best economic interest (at least taxpayor interest).  People that don't pay federal or income taxes have no stake and will be supportive because its not their $.

The only reason their opposition didn't stop the bill is because people like you voted for an unbalance of power in our congress!

SF - I don't know every line item in the bill but I think one mans pork is another mans stimulus.  Take the 200 million for contraceptives and family planning for low income families.   Someone is going to be employed making the product.  Someone is going to be employed doing education, etc...   I think the only way to make stimulus really work is to stimulate both the suppy and demand sides of the equation.   The Repubs are mostly about the supply side i.e. give wealthy people tax cuts and wait for them to take them money and do something (create a job, invest in a business, etc..).  That's fine but there also needs to be a healthly labor market that can afford to buy things.  What's the benefit of a tax cut to these people if they have no income in the first place.   The person with a job is going to naturally ramp up demand.   

To the point of bi-partisanship.  The Dems made a genuine attempt and compromised and what they got was a bill that was watered down from what they originally wanted and no Repugs on board anyway (which would have been nothing more than a reciprical gesture on their part as they weren't needed anyway). 

The Dems are going to get all the blame for anything that goes wrong anyway so they might as well get whatever they want in any legislation (IMO).   

[shootfighter1]

I strongly disagree with the last statement.  This economic stimulus bill should be limited to things that stimulate the economy and create jobs.  Thats what we were told the intent was.  This bill is hardly watered down, I view it as starting with some good ideas, then the democrats injected all their bullshit non-economic projects once Pelosi's committee got it from Obama.  I expect the senate to remove some of it.

I saw a bunch of the stuff in there and we can't explain how it will create jobs.  This is the definition of pork spending, which is a plague to Washigton when its done by either party.  Its disingenuous and they just assume we the people are too clueless to call them on it.

I understand your point of increasing demand.  I'm not against infrastructure spending, that will create jobs.  Thats a democratic proposal.  However, $335 million for STD prevention will not, or at least certainly create only a tiny fraction compared to the amount spent.  Same with the contraceptives, endowment for the arts, remodeling the lawn of the white house, $4.2 BILLION for acron and neighborhood community organizations, hundreds of millions for increasing food stamps, not regulating state grants...and there are many more.  Read it man, its the same old politics crap!  They deceive us with our own tax money.  I am appauled at the democrats over this issue.

[Straw Man]

I don't feel like typing:  Here's point - counter point from Rachel Maddow last night (includes a Republican point of view):  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28902483

[BM OUT]

American heroes.

RIGHT ON!

[BM OUT]

yep and zero repugs voted for it in spite of concessions by Obama and company

kind of suggests that making concessions to repugs is pointless

I wonder if it's the repug strategy to make themselves irrelevent

maybe we should just ignore everything they want

what's the difference?

HUH?No,its the republicans not signing on to a dissaster.Let the dems take the fall when this thing does ten times more damage to the economy.