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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #275 on: November 04, 2010, 02:16:57 PM »
I guess Meg campaign's was a value compared to Linda McMahon's campaign @ 100 dollars per vote..

I think they ladies should just have gave out crisp dollar bills for votes me thinks

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #276 on: November 04, 2010, 02:25:10 PM »
I guess Meg campaign's was a value compared to Linda McMahon's campaign @ 100 dollars per vote..

I think they ladies should just have gave out crisp dollar bills for votes me thinks

Linda got screwed.  She was a far better candidate than Blumenthal. 

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« Reply #277 on: November 04, 2010, 02:32:10 PM »
Linda got screwed.  She was a far better candidate than Blumenthal. 

I thought so. However, the democrats thought otherwise.

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« Reply #278 on: November 05, 2010, 02:18:00 AM »
Linda got screwed.  She was a far better candidate than Blumenthal. 

how did she get screwed?  she was tied with him - then voters chose him.  He's a lying POS, but voters perceived him as better for their needs and goals.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #279 on: November 05, 2010, 10:31:08 AM »
In case you were wondering...

No Tax Write-Off for Whitman's Millions
By JENNIFER GOLLAN

The audacious sum that Meg Whitman spent on her failed bid to become the first woman governor of California is not tax deductible, according to the IRS.

Federal law does not allow candidates or any contributors, for that matter, to receive a tax deduction when they donate to a campaign.

Whitman, bested by Democrat Jerry Brown, spent more than $161 million during the race--the largest sum of any non-presidential candidate in U.S. history. The former chief executive of eBay, Whitman is worth $1.3 billion, according to Forbes magazine.

Whitman's lavish spending, an explosive controversy with her former immigrant maid and a scripted persona was not enough to outmaneuver Brown, whose strong labor backing, experience and support among independents and Hispanics helped him win the governor's seat.

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« Reply #280 on: November 05, 2010, 10:35:01 AM »
In case you were wondering...

No Tax Write-Off for Whitman's Millions
By JENNIFER GOLLAN

The audacious sum that Meg Whitman spent on her failed bid to become the first woman governor of California is not tax deductible, according to the IRS.

Federal law does not allow candidates or any contributors, for that matter, to receive a tax deduction when they donate to a campaign.

Whitman, bested by Democrat Jerry Brown, spent more than $161 million during the race--the largest sum of any non-presidential candidate in U.S. history. The former chief executive of eBay, Whitman is worth $1.3 billion, according to Forbes magazine.

Whitman's lavish spending, an explosive controversy with her former immigrant maid and a scripted persona was not enough to outmaneuver Brown, whose strong labor backing, experience and support among independents and Hispanics helped him win the governor's seat.



Your jealousy of her financial success is getting to be sickening.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #281 on: November 05, 2010, 10:44:58 AM »


Your jealousy of her financial success is getting to be sickening.

How is that jealous?  He's pointing out it's not tax deductible.  Bad investment if ever there was one!
Abandon every hope...

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #282 on: November 05, 2010, 02:28:44 PM »
How is that jealous?  He's pointing out it's not tax deductible.  Bad investment if ever there was one!

People often see what they want to see.  Skip8282 wants to see jealousy so he sees jealousy. Yawn.  ::)

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #283 on: November 06, 2010, 04:21:46 PM »
In Whitman and Fiorina, Candidacies That Did Not Compute
By JONATHAN WEBER

The candidates from Silicon Valley lost big in the California elections Tuesday. Meg Whitman, the former eBay chief executive, was trounced in the gubernatorial race despite spending more than $140 million of her own money, and Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard C.E.O., lost badly to one of the most liberal senators in the country in one of the most anti-liberal election years ever.

Both candidates had their weaknesses, but they join a long list of successful technology executives who have proved to be poor candidates for public office. (This year’s crop also included Chris Kelly, a former Facebook executive who was crushed in the Democratic primary in his bid for attorney general.) The culture of Silicon Valley, it seems, does not nurture the values and personal style that are essential for success in politics.

Partly, the disconnect has to do with the bubble in which all top corporate executives operate. Almost everyone they deal with day to day is an underling paid to do their bidding or someone trying to curry favor. They give a lot of orders.

As reported recently on The Bay Citizen, Ms. Whitman in particular was known within eBay as an imperious figure who sometimes flew into a rage when things weren’t going her way. She structured her campaign for maximum control — refusing most news media interviews, declining to provide a long-range public schedule of her campaign appearances and flooding the zone with scripted paid media.

But in politics you have to interact with a wide range of people and at least pretend you’re feeling their pain. You can’t order the Legislature around. Every day, you confront situations that you cannot control.

Also, the technology industries tend to reward a certain kind of highly focused, analytical approach that’s very different from what’s needed in electoral politics. I’ve never met Mark Zuckerberg, and I assume there is plenty of license in his portrayal in “The Social Network,” but the character sketch is still illustrative: the introverted genius who doesn’t connect with people.

In fact, if you spend much time around Silicon Valley types, you quickly see the extent to which their interactions are limited mostly to people who are like them — and most people are not like them.

Technical brilliance, laser focus on business analytics, self-confidence bordering on arrogance and the willingness to work 80-hour weeks are hallmarks of successful Silicon Valley executives. Those traits may add up to charisma in Cupertino, but they don’t carry the day in Cucamonga. Ms. Whitman and Ms. Fiorina, with their corporate backgrounds, are not even very representative in this respect; it’s impossible to picture the most successful Valley entrepreneurs — Steve Jobs, say, or Larry Ellison — as politicians.

Candidates from Silicon Valley assume that Californians are proud of the global technological leadership that the Valley represents and admire the skills that make it possible. That’s true, but “Silicon Valley” is an abstraction — an idea and a symbol more than an actual place or even a specific industry. So when Ms. Whitman said in her ads that she was “from Silicon Valley,” it wasn’t clear what she meant. She didn’t grow up there, and most of her neighbors in Atherton didn’t even know her. In the end, the real meaning of that claim is “I’m from the technological elite” — and when you say it that way, you can easily see why it could be a political liability rather than an asset.

Interestingly, the victories that Silicon Valley did enjoy on Election Day were not of candidates, but rather of ideas. The Valley lined up heavily against Proposition 23, which would have rolled back California’s landmark climate change law and thus hampered the booming clean-tech industry — and the measure lost in a landslide. Proposition 20, mandating a nonpartisan process for drawing legislative and Congressional districts, was financed by a wealthy Stanford professor and won, also handily.

Despite the party affiliations of Ms. Whitman and Ms. Fiorina, the Valley also leans Democratic on most political issues, and its voters helped Democrats to a statewide sweep in a heavily Republican year.

When it comes to politics, it seems, Valley ideas and Valley money can be very influential. Just keep the people out of it.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #284 on: November 06, 2010, 04:25:47 PM »
Big business vs. liberal policy.

When neither option is attractive, people seem to stick with the more experienced one.

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« Reply #285 on: November 06, 2010, 09:00:44 PM »
$47/ vote.
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« Reply #286 on: November 07, 2010, 07:04:30 AM »
Big business vs. liberal policy.

When neither option is attractive, people seem to stick with the more experienced one.

Iread that Cali has a $20 Billion dollar deficit next year with zero way to pay for it,. 

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« Reply #287 on: November 07, 2010, 07:08:23 AM »
Iread that Cali has a $20 Billion dollar deficit next year with zero way to pay for it,. 

cali's republican governor did what he thought was right.













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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #288 on: November 07, 2010, 07:18:28 AM »
Meg Whitman builds a video shrine to her epic fail: A New California  ;D


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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #289 on: November 07, 2010, 03:56:08 PM »
Mike Murphy: 'Blue riptide' pulled Meg Whitman under amid GOP wave

Mike Murphy, chief strategist to Meg Whitman, blamed public-employee unions and California's status as "a very blue state" for the GOP gubernatorial candidate's loss to Democrat Jerry Brown on Tuesday, even as she spent a national record $142 million of her own money trying to beat him.

Voters rebuffed Whitman and the entire GOP ticket in California, as the party lost every statewide race -- with one, for attorney general, still too close to call -- while Republicans swept into power across the nation.

"We got beat. And, you know, I ran the campaign. I take responsibility for it," Murphy said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "It's a very blue state, and it's getting bluer. As the red, you know, wave, kind of went one way, there was a bit of blue riptide coming the other way."

Whitman was able to win GOP and independent votes, he said, but not Democrats, and "in California, if you don't win a lot of Democrats, you don't win."

Murphy, who was paid $90,000 a month by Whitman for his strategic advice, had avoided questions about the race since Tuesday's defeat. The voters, he said Sunday, rejected "CEO candidates who were doing kind of a tough-medicine message."

Whitman and former Hewlett-Packard Chief Executive Carly Fiorina, the Republican challenger to Sen. Barbara Boxer, lost by wide margins.

Murphy also blamed spending by the state's influential public-employee unions, in part, for the loss, saying they "run California politics." Unions spent heavily on TV ads attacking Whitman during the summer months as Brown hoarded his limited treasury.

"They paid for Jerry Brown's campaign," he said.

Murphy was previously the mastermind behind Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's failed 2005 special election –- in which voters rejected every measure on the ballot –- after unions spent millions of dollars against him.

"The big unions in the last couple of years have spent $300 million on politics," Murphy said. "So, you either can't raise enough money to compete, and they swamp you ... or you spend your own money, but if you're a self-funder, the press wants to make that money the issue."

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #290 on: November 07, 2010, 04:35:09 PM »
Still living in denial about your jealousy?

This is just sad now...

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« Reply #291 on: November 07, 2010, 07:04:33 PM »
Skip it appears you need a lesson in reading comprehension.  The above post is about Mike Murphy—not Meg Whitman.  Specifically, Murphy is blaming the unions and the Democratic majority in CA for Meg’s loss while ignoring the fact that GOP governors have won in CA many times.  Murphy cannot seem to admit that

a) his candidate was flawed from the start
  •  never having voted in 30 years
  • a hypocrite on illegal immigration enforcement; demanding that employers be held accountable for hiring them, yet she couldn’t find an illegal immigrant in her own house.
  • firing (without any help) an employee she called a “member of my extended family”
  • no history of civic engagement (even Arnold had that)

b) he is an overpriced ineffective consultant
  • $90k per month
  • shielding Meg away from the press
  • overkill on the commercials that ran throughout the state
  • unable to gauge the pulse of the electorate

I hope Murphy is saving his money.  I don’t think many GOP hopefuls will be eager to hire him in the future.

Given how much money was put into this effort, this has to be the most colossal political failure in recent memory--maybe ever!  "How could someone spend so much and lose so big?" They will be teaching the answer to that question in political science classes for years to come.   ::)

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #292 on: November 07, 2010, 08:23:10 PM »
Calif borrows $40M a day to pay unemployment

Sunday, November 7, 2010

(11-07) 10:05 PST Los Angeles, CA (AP) --



With one in every eight workers unemployed and empty state coffers, California is borrowing billions of dollars from the federal government to pay unemployment insurance.

The Los Angeles Times reports that the state owes $8.6 billion already, and will have to come up with a $362-million payment to Washington by the end of next September.

The continued borrowing means federal unemployment insurance taxes are going to increase, upping the annual payroll costs $21 a year per worker.

California tops the list of 32 states that have borrowed a total of $41 billion to pay claims.

The state took out its first loan from the federal government early last year, to deal with rising payment of benefits and number of claims.

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Information from: Los Angeles Times, www.latimes.com
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/11/07/state/n100503S24.DTL



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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #293 on: November 07, 2010, 10:36:14 PM »
Whitman, Fiorina losses raise questions about their political futures in California
The former corporate chief executives implied in their concession speeches that they had unfinished business in the state. But analysts say both have repair work to do.
By Seema Mehta and Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times

Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina framed themselves as the fresh face of the Republican Party, two leaders whose business savvy and gender had equipped them to help craft a new path for the shrinking GOP in blue California.

For months, the national spotlight shone brightly on the two former chief executives, whose wealth made them formidable threats to their opponents. But their dual losses on election day — Whitman by 12 percentage points and Fiorina by 9 — have raised doubts about their future viability in politics, particularly in California.

"What's happened with CEO-type candidates is that they have come in, they run and they're like a great meteor flashing across the sky, lots of light," said Tony Quinn, a Republican demographer. "All of the sudden, they go dark and they're never heard from again."

Both women's campaigns said they had no plans beyond rest after a grueling campaign. But in their concession speeches, the candidates left the impression that they had unfinished business in politics.

"So the journey is ending, but our mission is not," Whitman said Tuesday after losing to Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown. "We did not achieve the victory we worked so hard for. But that is not a reason to give up on what's most important. I believe if we all work together to demand change from Sacramento, a new California will rise."

On Wednesday, when she conceded, Fiorina said, "The fight is not over, the fight is just beginning," and added that she would continue her effort to make sure "that the American dream belongs to everyone and that the government works for us, not the other way around."

Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College, said that if the two women hope to carry out those goals through politics, "they definitely have some repair work to do."

"Meg Whitman has to live down her reputation as America's most expensive loser," he said. In Fiorina's case, even a strong performance on the campaign trail wasn't enough to beat vulnerable Sen. Barbara Boxer.

"It's hard to see how either of them would have an easy road back onto the Republican ballot," said Pitney, a former national GOP official. "With abundant financing and during a Republican year, they still couldn't win."

If they decide to keep a hand in politics, observers said, the most likely roles for Fiorina and Whitman may be fundraising, advising or serving as surrogates on the trail for other candidates, which is how they both got their start in politics on the campaigns of Republican presidential candidates John McCain and Mitt Romney. Both were among the names bandied about as potential vice president candidates for McCain.

But Tuesday's losses have quieted such speculation
. The fierce battles in both their races amounted to a yearlong vetting process that exposed vulnerabilities that had not been as evident before they stepped into California's political arena.

Despite their compelling personal stories about climbing up the corporate ladder to become among the most powerful women in business, Whitman and Fiorina lost among working women voters by 29 points and 25 points respectively, according to exit polls.

They also struggled to win the support of moderate voters — Whitman lost that group to Brown by 25 percentage points, according to exit polls, and Fiorina by 23 points.

Advisors to both Whitman and Fiorina blamed Tuesday's losses on Republicans' registration disadvantage in California. But other political observers of all stripes said their corporate backgrounds had created clear problems for both of them — albeit different ones.

Boxer lanced Fiorina with ads pairing layoffs and outsourcing under her watch at Hewlett-Packard with her multimillion-dollar compensation package. Brown painted Whitman as more concerned about her fellow billionaires than the common man.

"Both Carly and Meg had issues with their corporate background and it sort of gave them a glass jaw … all it takes is one shot and it breaks," said Democratic strategist Chris Lehane. "They both ended losing for the same reason and that is — it basically came down to a character-trust issue."

At the same time, though Fiorina's corporate tenure was far more controversial than Whitman's, several analysts said she proved to be a better candidate.

She projected warmth and had fewer missteps than she had as a presidential surrogate in 2008, with the exception of being caught on an open microphone discussing Boxer's hair. She charmed audiences, won over some conservative skeptics and overcame her initial fundraising problems — ultimately only putting in $6.5 million of her own money. In the end, Fiorina won 67,000 more votes than Whitman.

Whitman began her campaign cloistered from the media and facing questions about her spotty voting record. Though she grew more comfortable on the campaign trail, she was still widely viewed as cold and scripted. She showed more emotion when she shed tears the night of her loss than she had publicly during her 20-month-long campaign.

The former EBay chief stumbled frequently, from shaky debate performances to the revelation that she employed an illegal immigrant as a housekeeper for nine years. And voters grew weary of the unrelenting negativity of her ads.

Whitman's juggernaut campaign, on which she spent $141.5 million of her personal fortune, is being castigated as a disaster. Her highly paid consultants underestimated Brown and were unable to take advantage of unlimited resources and the best political climate for Republicans since 1994. More Californians supported the legalization of marijuana than the election of Whitman.

The former EBay chief's campaign staff has hunkered down, blaming the loss not on their own mistakes but on California's demographics.

"Too damn blue," said Rob Stutzman, a senior advisor.

Political observers say the likelihood of either candidate running for political office in California again is uncertain. But many expect to see them on the campaign trail in 2012. Whitman has said she would reprise her role backing her mentor, former Massachusetts Gov. Romney. Fiorina was endorsed by several potential presidential contenders, including Romney, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, but has not aligned herself with any of them.

Others noted that with their business backgrounds, either could be a future appointment for a Republican president, possibly a Cabinet pick.

"There are not that many Republican women who would be on a shortlist on any kind of appointment," said Jennifer Lawless, director of the Women & Politics Institute at American University.

Neither appears to have lost the taste for politics.

In one of her last television interviews, Whitman said she had no regrets about her record-breaking spending. On Wednesday, Fiorina showed she has perfected one important skill over the last year — dodging a question she was not ready to answer.

When asked whether she had any future political plans, she smiled and gave a final wave of farewell.

"Bye!" she said brightly, before stepping into a waiting SUV and being whisked out of sight. For now.
 
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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #294 on: November 07, 2010, 10:43:28 PM »
Pardon me while I savor the Schadenfreude.  ;D

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« Reply #295 on: November 08, 2010, 07:43:36 AM »
Herhold: Why Meg Whitman failed
By Scott Herhold Mercury News Columnist

It's possible Meg Whitman would have lost the California governor's race even under the best of circumstances. She was a first-timer in politics -- one who didn't even vote that often -- going up against an old pro. And certain baggage, like the Nicky the Housekeeper affair, helped doom her.

We'll remember her candidacy for the jaw-dropping $140 million she put into it. Her huge ad blitz only underscored her colossal wealth and the suspicion that she could not connect with ordinary voters.

I have my own reason for why Whitman failed. As a Republican running in a Democratic state, she tried to parse too many issues too finely. And that ultimately left voters wondering what she stood for.

Take almost any big issue, and you'll find the former eBay chief took such nuanced -- and often conflicting -- positions that you wondered whether this was what she felt or what her consultants were telling her.

On illegal immigration, she stood against amnesty. The state had to secure its borders and give the Border Patrol more tools. But she was against an Arizona-type law that would give broader powers to cops; California, she said, was too big.

Or take the environment. She denounced AB 32, the Schwarzenegger-era environmental law, as a "job killer," saying she wanted to freeze it for a year. But she was tepidly against an initiative that would have repealed it.

Or take pension reform. Whitman was for weaning state employees away from the defined-benefit system that has ruled California. But she was willing to make an exception for law enforcement.

Even education got this parsing treatment. Whitman was in favor of funding K-12 education for the children of illegal immigrants. But she drew the line at allowing them to go to state colleges or universities.

I'm not saying there isn't a reason to have nuanced positions; big issues are rarely black and white. There's plenty of room for gray.  But in appearing to be on all sides of issues -- she hoped to win Latino votes by her opposition to the Arizona law and cop votes by preserving pensions -- she left people wondering what her core was as a politician.

You had the suspicion that her bent toward equivocation even infected her personal life. When the Nicky the Housekeeper affair arose, Whitman defended herself as a conscientious employer. But she had preached that employers should be held accountable, with no excuses.

She said she knew how to create jobs. But she dismissed a woman who had been with her family for nearly a decade with words Nicandra Diaz Santillan remembered this way: "You don't know me, and I don't know you."

All successful campaigns are about creating narratives. Think of Clinton's "It's the economy, stupid," or Reagan's "Morning in America."

Whitman's narrative was a long, muddled book with chapters pasted in odd places and squiggly arrows taking you to something in the margins.

Somewhere, I think there was a sensible, East Coast Republican progressive, willing to be pragmatic about governing. But all her money produced only babble.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #296 on: November 08, 2010, 06:20:04 PM »
Barnidge: Why Whitman's $142 million didn't buy the governorship
By Tom Barnidge

NOW THAT she's had a week to digest the election results, we can't help wonder if Meg Whitman thinks she got her money's worth out of her $142 million investment.

On the bright side, she was named on 3.1 million ballots, which translates to an eBay buy-now price of $45.80 per vote. On the other hand, she finished second, and a silver medal in the governor's race isn't nearly as gratifying as in the Olympics.

Think of all the things she could have done with that wad of cash:

• Presented each of California's 58 counties with a $2.45 million grant.

• Purchased 28 iPads for each of the state's 10,223 public schools.

• Picked up a year's tuition to UC Berkeley for 1,092 resident students.

• Paid for a two-year subscriptions to the Times for every person in Contra Costa County (the circulation director approves this message).

Whitman instead opted for a fun-filled ego trip that kept her name in the headlines, her face on TV and her strategists gainfully employed. But if everything has its price, as Donald Trump always says, why wasn't an unlimited budget enough to win the governorship?

Even the political pros are amused by this one.

"I can speak for almost everybody in the business and say we've never had a situation like this," said Wayne Johnson, a Republican campaign consultant.

Giarrizzo, a Democratic consultant, added: "The amount of money she spent was not only obscene in the context of wild uncontrolled spending but in that she had 65 paid consultants."

With so many voices in her camp -- not all of them with political experience -- it's a fair bet that infighting blurred their focus. Giarrizzo said a campaign must develop a coherent message that evolves into strategy. The Whitman approach was like inviting a roomful of generals each to propose a battle plan.

She might have run a stronger race if funds were not so available, analysts said. As it was, strategists were empowered to shield Whitman from media exposure and market her like a commercial product through paid advertising. That distanced her from voters.

"Any consultant with that luxury might be tempted to do that," Johnson said. "We don't need the press -- we can talk directly to the voters. But it's very hard to communicate your message without going through the traditional media. Voters want to see give-and-take."

Believe it or not, other problems resulted from her wealth.

"If you're in a $100,000 campaign, you learn not to waste even $1,000 because that's a significant portion of your resources," Giarrizzo said. "You have to be hungry. When your campaign has too much money, you lose that."

Whitman's $1 billion fortune also accentuated her differences.

"In a campaign, we try to create differences," Giarrizzo said. "We tell voters this candidate is not like you, doesn't think like you, doesn't care about the things you do. Her money was a demonstration of that. "

Her problems only increased when illegal immigrant Nicky Diaz Santillan announced that she had worked for nine years for Whitman before being fired and told to keep quiet. Both Johnson and Giarrizzo said Whitman's consultants should have been prepared to respond.

"It seems naive to think it's not going to come up," Johnson said.

Still, he wondered how much more understanding voters might have been if Whitman had opened up earlier, shared a peek into her personality and connected with the public.

Money may buy happiness, but it can't buy trust. And it doesn't necessarily buy an election, either.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #297 on: November 08, 2010, 07:02:39 PM »
Actually michael savage keeps saying she and carly did not win because they ran milqetoast campaigns vs bold ones. 

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #298 on: November 09, 2010, 06:48:29 AM »
Actually michael savage keeps saying she and carly did not win because they ran milqetoast campaigns vs bold ones. 

So...who the fuck is michael savage..he isnt an expert. He is Beck lite

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« Reply #299 on: November 09, 2010, 06:51:40 AM »
So...who the fuck is michael savage..he isnt an expert. He is Beck lite

He only lives there, is a PHD, has over 8 Million listeners, and has been calling is straight for years. 

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