sure they are... I'd use clen to harden up and burn fat.. tren does the same (for me) I know one is a hormone and ones not.
they're both useful for changing body composition...
In terms of classification they aren't, which is what it's all about.
Clen is grouped with ECA and to the extreme, DNP.......
Tren is an equal anabolic and androgenic.
When I think of these drugs, I group them according to their use.
People might like the effect Tren has on leaning out, but they don't use it strictly as a diet drug like they do Clen.
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