Author Topic: Layne Norton 2009 APA Crush Cupid Powerlifting meet (Read 14298 times)

TacoBell · « **Reply #75 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:10:12 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:06:55 PM

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? I truly don't understand the difference. Why? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

You keep saying that there is a difference....WHAT DIFFERENCE?

Caffeine is very very similar to ephedrine. They work slightly differently, but they both affect the metabolic systems similarly. So how is one natural but one not natural? Especially synthetic caffeine, which soft drinks contain.

Jack Lalanne might have been at "his" peak at 40, but Layne Norton is likely at HIS peak at his age. Do you know how much the human body changes between 25 and 40? Good God, the amount of Testosterone difference is huge.

Layne is natural by the definition of the natural organizations. If you claim ephedrine is not natural, whatever. That's bullocks.

You can get muscles by lifting "tree trunks", But you'd get much larger muscles lifting with modern gym equipment. Trust me. I know the difference.

Supplements aren't worthless. Whey Protein and Creatine make quite a difference.

You are simply ignorant of Bodybuilding, Bodybuilding history, Natural bodybuilding and especially ignorant of the human physiology.

You claim ephedrine is not natural but synthetic caffeine is natural. This is utter ignorance.
You claim that lifting tree trunks in the woods is equal to a modern gym?
You claim that someone at 40 is more at their peak than someone who is 27?

I'm tired of wasting my time.

Clueless Meltdown

liberalismo · « **Reply #76 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:14:29 PM »

MuscleMcMannus and Tacobell are 2 posers who spend all of their time on the internet and have no clue what it's like to live a true bodybuilding lifestyle. They are just wannabees and posers who like to attack the accomplishments of others and claim that they can't be done without using drugs. It's an issue of jealousy and inferiority complexes, for sure.

TacoBell claims he's bigger than all of the top naturals and everyone who posted in the previous thread...But he refuses to post a picture because of "privacy"...What a joke.

This whole thing is both sad and funny at the same time. If that's even possible.

liberalismo · « **Reply #77 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:18:55 PM »

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Caffeine is a bitter, white crystalline xanthine alkaloid that acts as a psychoactive stimulant drug and a mild diuretic[3].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Metabolism_and_half-life

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Ephedrine (EPH) is a sympathomimetic amine commonly used as a stimulant, appetite suppressant, concentration aid, decongestant, and to treat hypotension associated with anaesthesia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

Yet the synthetic DRUG of caffeine when used is "natural" but ephedrine when used is not natural?

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #78 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:21:24 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:09:51 PM

God damnit. You're stupid. You claim that Natural top competitors, Bodybuilding experts, Even people you tout in previous posts are all "clueless" about steroids and bodybuilding?

YOU ARE CLUELESS!

I've dieted tons in my life and it's difficult to get down to single digit bodyfat, but it's not impossible. All it means is you have to stop stuffing your face with KFC and McDonalds. Which is obviously hard for someone like you.

You're just a nobody sitting at his computer with a shitty physique JEALOUS of top bodybuilders..Claiming they can't be natural because YOU are unable to accomplish what they did.

Oh brother........now you're starting to sound like Tom Venuto and his ridiculous claims of 3.7% naturally! You're clueless!

Method101 · « **Reply #79 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:22:30 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:18:55 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Metabolism_and_half-life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

Yet the synthetic DRUG of caffeine when used is "natural" but ephedrine when used is not natural?

Calm down junior it's only the internet.

TacoBell · « **Reply #80 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:24:00 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:14:29 PM

MuscleMcMannus and Tacobell are 2 posers who spend all of their time on the internet and have no clue what it's like to live a true bodybuilding lifestyle. They are just wannabees and posers who like to attack the accomplishments of others and claim that they can't be done without using drugs. It's an issue of jealousy and inferiority complexes, for sure.

TacoBell claims he's bigger than all of the top naturals and everyone who posted in the previous thread...But he refuses to post a picture because of "privacy"...What a joke.

This whole thing is both sad and funny at the same time. If that's even possible.

LOL, I dont refuse to post pics, ive posted pics.
I just dont give a shit what you think either way.
You are a brutally stupid naive old fuck, Liberalschmoe

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #81 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:25:26 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:18:55 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Metabolism_and_half-life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

Yet the synthetic DRUG of caffeine when used is "natural" but ephedrine when used is not natural?

Haha dude why are you so hung up on defending ephedrine and caffeine? Ephedrine HCL is produced by pharmaceutical companies. Caffeine in coffee is completely different than caffeine in an ECA stack or pill form. Food, creatine, vitamins,amino acids etc. do not effect the sympathetic nervous system to any significant degree hence in my opinion any bodybuilder using these substances is in fact natural.

liberalismo · « **Reply #82 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:38:41 PM »

Quote from: TacoBell on February 17, 2009, 02:24:00 PM

LOL, I dont refuse to post pics, ive posted pics.
I just dont give a shit what you think either way.
You are a brutally stupid naive old fuck, Liberalschmoe

LINK PLEASE.

TacoBell · « **Reply #83 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:41:30 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:38:41 PM

LINK PLEASE.

What part of 'I dont care what u think' confuses u most?

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #84 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:43:26 PM »

Quote from: TacoBell on February 17, 2009, 02:41:30 PM

What part of 'I dont care what u think' confuses u most?

LOL dude I don't think liberalismo can read. LMAO!

liberalismo · « **Reply #85 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:44:32 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 02:25:26 PM

Haha dude why are you so hung up on defending ephedrine and caffeine? Ephedrine HCL is produced by pharmaceutical companies. Caffeine in coffee is completely different than caffeine in an ECA stack or pill form. Food, creatine, vitamins,amino acids etc. do not effect the sympathetic nervous system to any significant degree hence in my opinion any bodybuilder using these substances is in fact natural.

How is Caffeine in coffee different from caffeine in a pill?

Also, How is Caffeine in a pill different from Caffeine in a soft drink or energy drink? BOTH are synthetic.

Too much coffee DOES significantly affect the sympathetic nervous system. In fact Caffeine isn't the only thing in Coffee that does so:

Coffee acutely increases sympathetic nerve activity and blood pressure independently of caffeine content: role of habitual versus nonhabitual drinking.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12460875

I've got TONS of studies proving that Caffeine has significant impacts on the nervous system. Should I start flooding the page with them? Or do you admit that you're FULL OF SHIT?

TacoBell · « **Reply #86 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:44:57 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 02:43:26 PM

LOL dude I don't think liberalismo can read. LMAO!

Are you suggesting that the movie 'Bad Santa' was an eye opening experience for Liberalschmoe?

liberalismo · « **Reply #87 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:45:22 PM »

Quote from: TacoBell on February 17, 2009, 02:41:30 PM

What part of 'I dont care what u think' confuses u most?

It's not what I think. It's what I KNOW.

I KNOW you're a poser.

So again...

LINK PLEASE!

MONSTER_TRICEPS · « **Reply #88 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:46:05 PM »

Quote from: BigAnt on February 17, 2009, 01:44:42 PM

GREAT LIFTS...Congrats on breaking the record!

Glad your pec healed up nicely!

Why the "both hands over grip"?

Not double overhand, Hook grip.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #89 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:49:00 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:44:32 PM

How is Caffeine in coffee different from caffeine in a pill?

Also, How is Caffeine in a pill different from Caffeine in a soft drink or energy drink? BOTH are synthetic.

Too much coffee DOES significantly affect the sympathetic nervous system. In fact Caffeine isn't the only thing in Coffee that does so:

Coffee acutely increases sympathetic nerve activity and blood pressure independently of caffeine content: role of habitual versus nonhabitual drinking.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12460875

I've got TONS of studies proving that Caffeine has significant impacts on the nervous system. Should I start flooding the page with them? Or do you admit that you're FULL OF SHIT?

LMAO! Ok now you are just getting silly and splitting hairs. You've already conceded that Layne is not natural. Now you want to spend all your time arguing what constitutes a natural. You've LOST the argument dude! Layen is not natural. This truth is resonating withing your mind or you wouldn't be so adamant about defending your point of view.

For the record you are right. I never said coffee does not effect the nervous system. I'm saying having A cup of coffee is not the same as taking Ephedrine HCL 3 times a day with meals nor is it the same as taking caffeine pills. There are people out there that abuse the shit out of coffee because of its effects on the central nervous system. So bottomline ANYTHING that affects the sympathetic nervous system to any degree is not natural so my argument still stands. And you're right coffee is not natural. So if Layne Norton uses coffee he is not natural.

Creatine does not affect the sympathetic nervous system so it's natural. Satisfied!?

TacoBell · « **Reply #90 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:50:21 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:45:22 PM

It's not what I think. It's what I KNOW.

I KNOW you're a poser.

So again...

LINK PLEASE!

liberalismo · « **Reply #91 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:52:45 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on February 17, 2009, 02:49:00 PM

LMAO! Ok now you are just getting silly. You've always conceded that Layne is not natural. Now you want to spend all your time arguing what constitutes a natural. You've LOST the argument dude! Layen is not natural. This truth is resonating withing your mind or you wouldn't be so adamant about defending your point of view.

For the record you are right. I never said coffee does not effect the nervous system. I'm saying having A cup of coffee is not the same as taking Ephedrine HCL 3 times a day with meals nor is it the same as taking caffeine pills. There are people out there that abuse the shit out of coffee because of its effects on the central nervous system. So bottomline ANYTHING that affects the sympathetic nervous system to any degree is not natural so my argument still stands. And you're right coffee is not natural. So if Layne Norton uses coffee he is not natural. Creatine does not affect the sympathetic nervous system so it's natural. Satisfied!?

Layne IS natural.

You are worse at debating than you are at thinking! You keep repeating the same old dead and refuted arguments over and over. You keep making the same claims without ever backing them up! I'm adamant about defending ALL of my views because I defend the truth!

You keep backtracking also. First you say that Caffeine is natural but Ephedrine isn't. Then you say a cup of coffee isn't the same a HCL stack. Then you say 1 cup of Coffee isn't the same as Ephedrine HCL 3 times a day! So what the fuck?

You NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION. WHY IS EPHEDRINE DIFFERENT FROM CAFFEINE PILLS? HOW?

Caffeine affects the sympathetic nervous system..So that isn't natural either???

TacoBell · « **Reply #92 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:54:50 PM »

Liberalschmoe, you may wanna take a seat before I tell you this.......

ready..........

WWE wrestling is fake, I'm sorry.

liberalismo · « **Reply #93 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:56:09 PM »

Quote from: TacoBell on February 17, 2009, 02:54:50 PM

Liberalschmoe, you may wanna take a seat before I tell you this.......

ready..........

WWE wrestling is fake, I'm sorry.

STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PICTURE YOU POSER.

Why do you even post on a bodybuilding board if you aren't a body builder? I don't get it.

TacoBell · « **Reply #94 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:57:25 PM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 17, 2009, 02:56:09 PM

STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PICTURE YOU POSER.

Why do you even post on a bodybuilding board if you aren't a body builder? I don't get it.

wow, reverse psychology....ur awesome at this $:-\$

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #95 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:58:24 PM »

Dude you're like arguing with a retard. The only reason you question everything is I have to spell it out for you down to the letter. I never said caffeine is not natural I said caffeine in concentrated pill form is not natural. I said having a cup of coffee a day in the morning is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than popping caffeine pills to lose weight. My god what is so hard to understand that?

? Ephderine is found in nature I'm sure. But ephedrine HCL in pill form is completely different than munching on some leaves. If Layne Norton was going to much on grass for weight loss no that's not natural. Having a cup of coffee isn't unnatural per se. But if Norton were to rely on that and take excessive amounts to manipulate fat loss then no it's not "natural" in my opinion.

Let me define my idea of a natural AGAIN!
FOOD, CREATINE, VITAMINS, AMINO ACIDS! But if you really want to split hairs creatine, vitamins and protien powders aren't technically "Natural". I mean fuck dude my entire point is that natural bodybuilding is stupid and ambiguous. I think bodybuilding should go back to its roots. FOOD AND HARD WORK IN THE GYM! Why are you defending this shit so much anyways? All it does is reinforce my argument that you can't achieve most of this shit without some sort of chemical assistance. If Norton thinks he's natural good for him. There are suckers born every minute.

jtsunami · « **Reply #96 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:11:20 PM »

again this is totally stupid for him to do this, no money for him in it, only ego, he will end up crippled young, already tore his pec, he is going to break tear more thing in future, power lifting is dangerous and he already should have learned that.

jt

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #97 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:24:32 PM »

The ortho did say something funny, he said "the fact that you have not complained about pain that much, only it being 'uncomfortable' just tells me that you have a ridiculous tolerance to pain". LOL

-Layne

This Layne Norton kid sounds like an idiot.

BIG_STI · « **Reply #98 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:20:32 PM »

This Lismo tit is obviously some retared teen who thinks he can get to 270lbs under 10% bf with just protein powder.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #99 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:23:39 PM »

Quote from: BIG_STI on February 17, 2009, 04:20:32 PM

This Lismo tit is obviously some retared teen who thinks he can get to 270lbs under 10% bf with just protein powder.

Supposedly he's a 40 year old guy with tons of experience.