Dude you're like arguing with a retard. The only reason you question everything is I have to spell it out for you down to the letter. I never said caffeine is not natural I said caffeine in concentrated pill form is not natural. I said having a cup of coffee a day in the morning is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than popping caffeine pills to lose weight. My god what is so hard to understand that?


? Ephderine is found in nature I'm sure. But ephedrine HCL in pill form is completely different than munching on some leaves. If Layne Norton was going to much on grass for weight loss no that's not natural. Having a cup of coffee isn't unnatural per se. But if Norton were to rely on that and take excessive amounts to manipulate fat loss then no it's not "natural" in my opinion.
Let me define my idea of a natural AGAIN!
FOOD, CREATINE, VITAMINS, AMINO ACIDS! But if you really want to split hairs creatine, vitamins and protien powders aren't technically "Natural". I mean fuck dude my entire point is that natural bodybuilding is stupid and ambiguous. I think bodybuilding should go back to its roots. FOOD AND HARD WORK IN THE GYM! Why are you defending this shit so much anyways? All it does is reinforce my argument that you can't achieve most of this shit without some sort of chemical assistance. If Norton thinks he's natural good for him. There are suckers born every minute.