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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2009, 10:10:08 AM »
800 billion in stimulus
700 billion in TARP bailouts
30-40 billion in auto bailouts with more being proposed by Obama
410 billion in bloated gov operating budget proposed by the democratic congress
Obama will start the talk about funding nationalized healthcare tonight.
Obama will talk about raising taxes on everyone (or worse yet households) making more than 200K in a time of recession
Obama will soon raise capital gains taxes in a time of recession.
This administration is redistributing wealth, wasting money, and granting more gov control in many areas.

No thanks!  You can have Bush II, Obama, and the democratic congressional leaders. 

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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2009, 10:15:33 AM »

About what specifically?

To me, a marxist who wants to spend 1 trillion dollars on garbage spending and give money away to deadbeats is "Out There"   


Why do you constantly post that Obama is a Marxist when he is not? ???
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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2009, 10:25:04 AM »

Why do you constantly post that Obama is a Marxist when he is not? ???

Would you call him a socialist instead? 

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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2009, 10:34:19 AM »
Would you call him a socialist instead? 

No.

I think he, like most US mainstream politicians, have their base in liberalism.

Bush did too, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Kennedy, Truman, et al.

Some are leaning towards social-conservative, some towards social-liberalism.

Traditionally, the Republican party has been pro free-trade, so that makes them more true to liberalism in that sense.

At the same time, Democrats have supported abortion rights, been more liberal on recreational drugs, not as social-conservative. And that is also being liberal.

So both parties have areas where they are liberal - and some areas where they're not.


But short answer is that all mainstream politicians today are liberals to some degree.

Because liberalism is what our democracy is funded on.
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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2009, 10:39:18 AM »
We have a Federal Republic, not a Democracy.

Go look it up. 

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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2009, 10:42:35 AM »
We have a Federal Republic, not a Democracy.

Go look it up. 

Touche.

I meant to say - what our democracies are founded on.


As in all the modern democracies.

Edit: It's besides the point whether the nation is constituted as a republic or has a parliamentary democracy.

The point I'm trying to make, is whether the nation is democratic obviously.

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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2009, 11:19:00 AM »
I've honestly never really paid much attention to him.  This is what I love about my country.  No matter how bad things get or how hopeless things seem to be there are and always will be those lone voices of truth.  It's comforting really.  Hell Keyes may not be correct in everything he says but when people like him speak, the truth resonates.  Did many blacks support him?  If not it says a lot about black culture in this country. 

Funny how you seem to notice Allen Keyes NOW!!!! He ran for president before and spoke the same then as he does now...how come you didn't notice him then?

For the record...I KNOW how the american system of government works. Putting trust in anyone is putting trust in the most deviant of persons as NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR CANDIDATE IS OF A HONEST CLOTH. They are all beholden to those who PUT them into power and therefore are beholden to these large companies and corrupt individuals and secret societies which NEVER think in terms of the masses but what they and they alone can obtain monetarily, politically, geographically.

Whites supported Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford, etc etc etc....all of whom brought america to the pathetic state it presently is in.....THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE WHITE BRAIN...
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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2009, 11:37:24 AM »
Funny how you seem to notice Allen Keyes NOW!!!! He ran for president before and spoke the same then as he does now...how come you didn't notice him then?

For the record...I KNOW how the american system of government works. Putting trust in anyone is putting trust in the most deviant of persons as NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR CANDIDATE IS OF A HONEST CLOTH. They are all beholden to those who PUT them into power and therefore are beholden to these large companies and corrupt individuals and secret societies which NEVER think in terms of the masses but what they and they alone can obtain monetarily, politically, geographically.

Whites supported Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford, etc etc etc....all of whom brought america to the pathetic state it presently is in.....THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE WHITE BRAIN...


Like I said I knew of him but I never really knew what he stood for or listened to him.  Glad I ran into this video.  I think the guy speaks the truth.

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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2009, 11:43:52 AM »
Funny how you seem to notice Allen Keyes NOW!!!! He ran for president before and spoke the same then as he does now...how come you didn't notice him then?

For the record...I KNOW how the american system of government works. Putting trust in anyone is putting trust in the most deviant of persons as NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR CANDIDATE IS OF A HONEST CLOTH. They are all beholden to those who PUT them into power and therefore are beholden to these large companies and corrupt individuals and secret societies which NEVER think in terms of the masses but what they and they alone can obtain monetarily, politically, geographically.

Whites supported Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford, etc etc etc....all of whom brought america to the pathetic state it presently is in.....THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE WHITE BRAIN...


Nigeria/Zimbabwe/N. Korea/Venezuela/Mexico are all great right?

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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2009, 11:46:30 AM »
Funny how you seem to notice Allen Keyes NOW!!!! He ran for president before and spoke the same then as he does now...how come you didn't notice him then?

For the record...I KNOW how the american system of government works. Putting trust in anyone is putting trust in the most deviant of persons as NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR CANDIDATE IS OF A HONEST CLOTH. They are all beholden to those who PUT them into power and therefore are beholden to these large companies and corrupt individuals and secret societies which NEVER think in terms of the masses but what they and they alone can obtain monetarily, politically, geographically.

Whites supported Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford, etc etc etc....all of whom brought america to the pathetic state it presently is in.....THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE WHITE BRAIN...


 ::) It has nothing to do with America this or America that.  That's not the point.  There are just as many corrupt and evil politicians in Latin America, Africa, Asia and Europe as there are in America.  And they are all in bed with each other.  Think outside the box dude.  You must be black because you're turning it into a black and white issue instead of seeing the big picture.  Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are as big of pieces of shit as any white President. 

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Re: Don't know much about him.........but he sounds good!
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2009, 12:10:13 PM »
No.

I think he, like most US mainstream politicians, have their base in liberalism.

Bush did too, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Kennedy, Truman, et al.

Some are leaning towards social-conservative, some towards social-liberalism.

Traditionally, the Republican party has been pro free-trade, so that makes them more true to liberalism in that sense.

At the same time, Democrats have supported abortion rights, been more liberal on recreational drugs, not as social-conservative. And that is also being liberal.

So both parties have areas where they are liberal - and some areas where they're not.


But short answer is that all mainstream politicians today are liberals to some degree.

Because liberalism is what our democracy is funded on.

Most of what you just said is political jargon aka ideological mumbojumbo.  Just a way to further complicate the issues.  I think it's safer to say that most of the Presidents in years past have been unAmerican :)

Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6]

Liberalism appears in two broad forms: Classical liberalism, which emphasizes the importance of individual liberty, and social liberalism which emphasizes some kind of redistribution of wealth.[7] Those who identify themselves as classical liberals, to distinguish themselves from social liberals, oppose all government regulation of business and the economy, with the exception of laws against force and fraud, and support free market laissez-faire capitalism. In Europe, the term "liberalism" is closer to the economic outlook of American economic conservatives.[8] In the United States, "liberalism" is most often used in the sense of social liberalism, which supports some regulation of business and other economic interventionism which they believe to be in the public interest.