Climate of Change

[Cap]

Precisely what Ron Paul likes to call "blowback".

Many in the "yeah, let's bomb these fuckers!" contingency do not realise that someone has to pay for all that bombing... and it sure ain't the politicians!

Funny how as soon as gringo finds out he's gotta fork over 3Gs for the shit we're dropping in Basra or Baghdad he's not as trigger-happy (which he confuses with patriotism) as he was before the war.

Yeah, well adding nearly a trillion dollars in wasteful spending in his first MONTH in office is not a good idea for Barry.  Cutting spending is a better way to balance a budget, not adding to it.  Somehow Hussein wants to increase spending a lot, but cut taxes, and balance the budget?  How does that work?  He knows he has a small window to push the BS health care plan and all his other ideas and if he doesn't do it now, they'll never get passed.  Maybe he should tell his constituents who have never held a job (like him) to go to work at McD's instead of sucking the gov't tit for ANOTHER 15-20 years.

[Soul Crusher]

Zero wants everyone dependent on govt for everything. 

[Slapper]

Yeah, well adding nearly a trillion dollars in wasteful spending in his first MONTH in office is not a good idea for Barry.  Cutting spending is a better way to balance a budget, not adding to it.  Somehow Hussein wants to increase spending a lot, but cut taxes, and balance the budget?  How does that work?  He knows he has a small window to push the BS health care plan and all his other ideas and if he doesn't do it now, they'll never get passed.  Maybe he should tell his constituents who have never held a job (like him) to go to work at McD's instead of sucking the gov't tit for ANOTHER 15-20 years.

I do not like Obama either, but you do have to admit Obama inherited one SHITHOLE of a job from Bush, and it will condition his own agenda for a couple of years. What Obama wants to do makes sense, as he is making social moves that help a MAJORITY of Americans. As far as where he is going to get the money... I suspect the Iraq money pit was larger than anyone though, and by him setting a date for the withdrawal of troops it is going to free up some needed cash to pursue his own goals.

I do not fear Obama. I fear a time when another one of this "fiscally responsible" candidates puts another dent in the country's balance sheet. And we've seen this fixer-fúcker pattern repeat itself in the past 6 administrations.

[Bindare_Dundat]

I do not like Obama either, but you do have to admit Obama inherited one SHITHOLE of a job from Bush, and it will condition his own agenda for a couple of years. What Obama wants to do makes sense, as he is making social moves that help a MAJORITY of Americans. As far as where he is going to get the money... I suspect the Iraq money pit was larger than anyone though, and by him setting a date for the withdrawal of troops it is going to free up some needed cash to pursue his own goals.

I do not fear Obama. I fear a time when another one of this "fiscally responsible" candidates puts another dent in the country's balance sheet. And we've seen this fixer-fúcker pattern repeat itself in the past 6 administrations.

He's shifting troops from one part of the world and placing them in another for the same type of war. How does this save money?

[Soul Crusher]

I do not like Obama either, but you do have to admit Obama inherited one SHITHOLE of a job from Bush, and it will condition his own agenda for a couple of years. What Obama wants to do makes sense, as he is making social moves that help a MAJORITY of Americans. As far as where he is going to get the money... I suspect the Iraq money pit was larger than anyone though, and by him setting a date for the withdrawal of troops it is going to free up some needed cash to pursue his own goals.

I do not fear Obama. I fear a time when another one of this "fiscally responsible" candidates puts another dent in the country's balance sheet. And we've seen this fixer-fúcker pattern repeat itself in the past 6 administrations.

The cap and trade scheme, the card check scheme, and the other schemes Obama is planning will lead to a major revolt like you have no idea. 

Wait and see.

[Slapper]

He's shifting troops from one part of the world and placing them in another for the same type of war. How does this save money?

Well, for one Blackwater has been told to go fuck themselves. For two, the contractors have been told to go fuck themselves. For three we wouldn't have to spend rather vast sums of money on making sure the oil rigs do not produce any oil or are not bombed. Et cetera.

[Slapper]

The cap and trade scheme, the card check scheme, and the other schemes Obama is planning will lead to a major revolt like you have no idea. 

Wait and see.

Well, he's been in office less than a year and many people have developed this apocalyptic view of what his presidency is to become. Can we be ANY worst that when Bush was in power? I mean, let's see what Obama does. Let's worry not about crossing bridges until we get there.

[Soul Crusher]

Well, he's been in office less than a year and many people have developed this apocalyptic view of what his presidency is to become. Can we be ANY worst that when Bush was in power? I mean, let's see what Obama does. Let's worry not about crossing bridges until we get there.

I would agree with you if he were taking things at a normal pace.  However, the speed and tenacity at which he is going about spending a Trilllion on the stimilus, 410 billion in present spending, the budget, a trillion in new taxes, etc, makes it such that people are not going to just sit back and wait and see what happens.

Bush spent like a maniac, and that does not mean that gives Obama carte blanche to be even worse.

Other than Iraq and Abortion, where is Ovbama different than Bush, if not way worse?

He supported Tarp.
He is running up huge deficits already with money we dont have
New programs and spending
No cuts in wasteful spending
Etc etc.

[Slapper]

I would agree with you if he were taking things at a normal pace.  However, the speed and tenacity at which he is going about spending a Trilllion on the stimilus, 410 billion in present spending, the budget, a trillion in new taxes, etc, makes it such that people are not going to just sit back and wait and see what happens.

Bush spent like a maniac, and that does not mean that gives Obama carte blanche to be even worse.

Other than Iraq and Abortion, where is Ovbama different than Bush, if not way worse?

He supported Tarp.
He is running up huge deficits already with money we dont have
New programs and spending
No cuts in wasteful spending
Etc etc.

Honestly? I think that apart from one or two policy decisions he has very little to do with policy making right now. The Paulson/Bernanke team are making all decisions that matter as far as the economy goes. The Clintons are making all foreign policy decisions. I mean... I'm not trying to take any blame away from any wrongdoing, but let's be serious and admit that his is largely a ceremonial role, with he is relegated to playing a mere puppet.

[Soul Crusher]

Honestly? I think that apart from one or two policy decisions he has very little to do with policy making right now. The Paulson/Bernanke team are making all decisions that matter as far as the economy goes. The Clintons are making all foreign policy decisions. I mean... I'm not trying to take any blame away from any wrongdoing, but let's be serious and admit that his is largely a ceremonial role, with he is relegated to playing a mere puppet.

I dont disagree and that is why he has me very suspicious.  Obama has no economic background whatsoever and seems to be very much out of his element dealing with financial and economic issues.  From what I can tell, he approaches these things from a political viewpoint, not a practical viewpoint.

As far as your statement about Paulsobn/Bernake - you are 10000000% correctamundo

Geithner???

He was Robert Rubin's self named "protege"

He was also Paulson's right hand man during TARP 1.

Where is the change?  Who is really running the show?

 

[Slapper]

I dont disagree and that is why he has me very suspicious.  Obama has no economic background whatsoever and seems to be very much out of his element dealing with financial and economic issues.  From what I can tell, he approaches these things from a political viewpoint, not a practical viewpoint.

As far as your statement about Paulsobn/Bernake - you are 10000000% correctamundo

Geithner???

He was Robert Rubin's self named "protege"

He was also Paulson's right hand man during TARP 1.

Where is the change?  Who is really running the show?

No one. And I've been saying this all along. It's called the Democracy show.

It still beats some African dictatorships though...

[Soul Crusher]

No one. And I've been saying this all along. It's called the Democracy show.

It still beats some African dictatorships though...

I hear you, but it makes it hard for a business person to assess what is going on and where we are going with this craziness.

I would be the first to join you to string these people up. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Well, for one Blackwater has been told to go fuck themselves. For two, the contractors have been told to go fuck themselves. For three we wouldn't have to spend rather vast sums of money on making sure the oil rigs do not produce any oil or are not bombed. Et cetera.

Have they made a decision about BlackwaterAfghanistan yet, this was the latest I heard?

The State Department's inspector general will review services provided by Blackwater Worldwide in Afghanistan, only weeks after the Baghdad government canceled the embattled security company's contract in Iraq.

Inspector General Harold W. Geisel told the Commission on Wartime Contracting on Monday that his department will begin the performance review in March.

"We are reviewing Blackwater," Mr. Geisel said.

The commission was established in 2008 with a mandate to provide two annual reports to Congress about corruption and other irregularities involving wartime contractors and related issues. An interim report is due to Congress by May 1.

The seven-member commission is bipartisan and independent. It hopes to prevent the sorts of problems that have plagued U.S. contracting in Iraq from occurring in Afghanistan, according to its Web site. The panel can refer any violation or potential violation of law to the attorney general.

"The fact that adverse action is taken against Blackwater in one country does not mean adverse action will be taken against them in another country," a State Department official told The Washington Times. He asked not to be named, citing the sensitivity of the subject.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/03/blackwater-under-review-in-afghanistan/