Question for Fiscally Conservative Republicans

[Straw Man]

Should the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan be included in the budget?

[Cap]

I hate to digress from your topic, but both sides have really screwed the pooch IMO with the current conflicts.  Sending nonconventional forces as well as a small number of conventional units could have accomplished the same task and saved a lot of money.  Deployments were another big screw up, especially after getting some perspective from a guy in a top military unit.

Yes, the wars should be in the budget because they are going to cost money but it sounds like Obama wants to keep Iraq in the budget despite protests on both sides. 

[Soul Crusher]

Does it really make a difference?

We are borrowing the money either way wo any intention of paying it back.

[Straw Man]

I hate to digress from your topic, but both sides have really screwed the pooch IMO with the current conflicts.  Sending nonconventional forces as well as a small number of conventional units could have accomplished the same task and saved a lot of money.  Deployments were another big screw up, especially after getting some perspective from a guy in a top military unit.

Yes, the wars should be in the budget because they are going to cost money but it sounds like Obama wants to keep Iraq in the budget despite protests on both sides. 

I'm glad we agree on at least this level

[Straw Man]

Does it really make a difference?

We are borrowing the money either way wo any intention of paying it back.

yes it make a huge difference

it's a LARGE NUMBER

why do you think Bush left it out of the official budget?

[240 is Back]

Bush did NOT include the cost of war in the deficit.

So it's gonna end up being 1 to 2 trillion higher than he ever let on (or more).

Obama is all about transparency, and letting people know how much the war actually costs.  It's nice to see that

[James]

Bush did NOT include the cost of war in the deficit.

So it's gonna end up being 1 to 2 trillion higher than he ever let on (or more).

Obama is all about transparency, and letting people know how much the war actually costs.  It's nice to see that

240,   please wake up !

[Straw Man]

240,   please wake up !

adding the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the cost of the ongoing "War on Terror" is the epitome of transparency

[240 is Back]

240,   please wake up !

okay.   

now that you've said that, you have to admit that admitting the costs and including them in their budget is MORE transparent than hiding it.

[Cap]

Anything that costs money needs to be added in to what we spend on.  Cut the spending while still achieving the objective overseas and also CUT domestic spending.  It seems simple to me.  If you don't have money, you don't spend more to get yourself back to even.  Bush gets blamed for 2001-2008 war spending, no doubt about that.  This is a new administration and if he chooses to keep the same number of troops deployed and spend the same or similar amounts of money, then the cost from 2009 until his term ends, is on Obama.

[James]

okay.   

now that you've said that, you have to admit that admitting the costs and including them in their budget is MORE transparent than hiding it.

Just look at the last spending Billl that was shoved down everyone's throat so fast, that no one in Congress truly had a chance to read it and debate it.

So many details are just now floating to the top,  that even some democrats are shaking their heads at what they singed.

Doesn't seem so transparent to me.

[Cap]

Spending nearly a trillion dollars in a month and telling people you are spending it may show transparency but also shows stupidity as the details surrounding it surface.  The market obviously has no confidence in this course of action.

[Straw Man]

Just look at the last spending Billl that was shoved down everyone's throat so fast, that no one in Congress truly had a chance to read it and debate it.

So many details are just now floating to the top,  that even some democrats are shaking their heads at what they singed.

Doesn't seem so transparent to me.

who is stopping any Republican from reading it?

btw - this thread is about one specific question

yes or no

should the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the cost of the ongoing "War on Terror" be included in the Official Budget?

[James]

who is stopping any Republican from reading it?

btw - this thread is about one specific question

yes or no

should the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the cost of the ongoing "War on Terror" be included in the Official Budget?

It was released at midnight the night before the vote

[Straw Man]

It was released at midnight the night before the vote

again - the subject of this thread is simple

should the cost of the wars and the ongoing War on Terror be included in the budget

yes or no?

[Hereford]

again - the subject of this thread is simple

should the cost of the wars and the ongoing War on Terror be included in the budget

yes or no?

Yes.

If money is spent, put it in the budget.

[Straw Man]

Yes.

If money is spent, put it in the budget.

correctamundo

[Hereford]

Why are you asking? Isn't it self evident?

If I buy a new truck, I have to make a budget for gas.

That gas money isn't free.... has to come from somewhere.....

[MM2K]

Yes, the cost of war should be in the budget. It is the number one priority investment that a country can make. And it is the only thing that the Constitution explicitly commands the federal government to spend money on. - AND a trillion dollar pork barrell spending bill that you just signed into law should be in the budget - EVEN if you expect a future return on it. (but when have we ever seen a return on pork barrel spending??)

[Straw Man]

Why are you asking? Isn't it self evident?

If I buy a new truck, I have to make a budget for gas.

That gas money isn't free.... has to come from somewhere.....

I'm asking because Bush left both wars out of the budget in order to make his deficit look better than it really was. 

Obama is putting both wars back in the budget

I assumed all the politico's on this board (especially the well informed, fact based conservatives) knew this already