Do the religious people feel they have the right to indoctrinate their children?

[Deicide]

When I was growing up my all my parent said to me was try to be a good person and look at all belief systems and question everything. How many of the fundamentalists here can claim that? How many here are forcing their offspring into a paradigm of rigid thought and belief and no exposing them to different ideas? I bet very many here. Would you consider this a sort of child abuse?

[w8m8]

no it's not abuse

I think looking into all religions is a good idea

[Deicide]

no it's not abuse

I think looking into all religions is a good idea

Perhaps not abuse but there can be little doubt that the rigid indoctrination practised by people like MCWAY does not make for an open mind. Don't you think the term 'Christian/Muslim child' is a bit abusive when the child has not even developed the cognitive faculties to make decisions about such things?

[OzmO]

No,  it's not abuse, is not really poor upbringing either.  It's just a parent, teaching his children what they believe is right.  It can be a good thing or a bad thing that they are teaching them.

Raising your children to question things, however is very good.  That's how i have raised mine.

[Deicide]

No,  it's not abuse, is not really poor upbringing either.  It's just a parent, teaching his children what they believe is right.  It can be a good thing or a bad thing that they are teaching them.

Raising your children to question things, however is very good.  That's how i have raised mine.

10 quid says MCWAY never told his children to question anything.

But I have to object to the term Christian or Muslim child, no children should be labeled that way.

[OzmO]

10 quid says MCWAY never told his children to question anything.

But I have to object to the term Christian or Muslim child, no children should be labeled that way.

Maybe so, but I don't think he'd disown them.  He'd make it his mission in life to save them.  Noble and just, even if we believe it's for the wrong thing.

I got into a discussion with Beach and someone else a while back about children being born Christian or muslim.  They are not born anything but infants.  They are raised to be muslim or christian.

[w8m8]

Perhaps not abuse but there can be little doubt that the rigid indoctrination practised by people like MCWAY does not make for an open mind. Don't you think the term 'Christian/Muslim child' is a bit abusive when the child has not even developed the cognitive faculties to make decisions about such things?

sorry but ,again  no it's not abusive IMO

I relate it to the same sort of thing as being raised a vegan or a carnivore , as long as the child  ( once able to make their own choice ) is permitted to make a change it's acceptable to me for parents to raise their offspring as they live themselves

it's not ideal and perfect , nothing is , that said all I hope for is children to be raised with some type of self respect and a healthy view of human compassion and kindness

[Deicide]

sorry but ,again  no it's not abusive IMO

I relate it to the same sort of thing as being raised a vegan or a carnivore , as long as the child  ( once able to make their own choice ) is permitted to make a change it's acceptable to me for parents to raise their offspring as they live themselves

it's not ideal and perfect , nothing is , that said all I hope for is children to be raised with some type of self respect and a healthy view of human compassion and kindness

We don't go around calling kids 'Marxist Children, Neo-Liberal children, Monist children, Libertarian children' or a host of other things. There are reasons for that.

[w8m8]

We don't go around calling kids 'Marxist Children, Neo-Liberal children, Monist children, Libertarian children' or a host of other things. There are reasons for that.

    I don't hear any called Christian children or Muslim children either

Descriptives / Labels are used for many reasons , too many times they're used to inflict insults or to harm someone in some way

I'm glad I live in Woodchuckville , where we all have names and know each other

I couldn't live anywhere that needs to label me and assign a descriptive

[MCWAY]

10 quid says MCWAY never told his children to question anything.

But I have to object to the term Christian or Muslim child, no children should be labeled that way.

Notwithstanding the fact that one of my kids just got out of diapers, you may as well cough up the $$$$$$ to Ozmo, now (I believe he prefers cash ).

There's a reason we have Bible Study in our home. We teach our kids the way of the Lord, as instructed in Scripture. The older kids often do have questions, and my wife and I are more than happy to answer them.

But, lack of questioning isn't the issue here. This has more to do with your claimthat such isn't being done, due to your assumption that, if it were, the result would be a rejection of one's faith. That, based on personal experience and observation, is categorically FALSE.

When I was growing up my all my parent said to me was try to be a good person and look at all belief systems and question everything. How many of the fundamentalists here can claim that? How many here are forcing their offspring into a paradigm of rigid thought and belief and no exposing them to different ideas? I bet very many here. Would you consider this a sort of child abuse?

My mother didn't tell me to "try and be a good person"; she demanded that I be such (else my rump and her belt would be joined in disciplinary union). There was no doubt as to what right and wrong were, because she instructed me as to which was which, based on her Christian beliefs.

Kids get exposed to different ideas, whether their parents want them to be or not. I was exposed to such as a kid, and I went to Christian school virtually my entire K-12th grade life.

[ToxicAvenger]

When I was growing up my all my parent said to me was try to be a good person and look at all belief systems and question everything. How many of the fundamentalists here can claim that? How many here are forcing their offspring into a paradigm of rigid thought and belief and no exposing them to different ideas? I bet very many here. Would you consider this a sort of child abuse?

my parents r muslim....i'm an athiest...been such since around 8th grade...although by belief (or lackthere of) solidified since

dont think they r too happy about it...i think they rather, i'd be something (christian ..jewish...)than an athiest.

meh i say...

although dosen't keep me showing up every eid to collect $ from the elders now!  i just wait in the car smoking ciggys till prayer is over and then show up with  my best "praise allah" expression on my face!  last yr i made like $800 in around 2 hours!

[OzmO]

my parents r muslim....i'm an athiest...been such since around 8th grade...although by belief (or lackthere of) solidified since

dont think they r too happy about it...i think they rather, i'd be something (christian ..jewish...)than an athiest.

meh i say...

although dosen't keep me showing up every eid to collect $ from the elders now!  i just wait in the car smoking ciggys till prayer is over and then show up with  my best "praise allah" expression on my face!  last yr i made like $800 in around 2 hours!

Do you believe the moon landing was faked?

I think it would be interesting mix, being an atheist and at the same time believing the moon landing was faked.

[fitt@40]

I would say that Christians have the responsibility to teach their kids the way of the Lord.  As MCWAY pointed out, we are Scripturally bound to do so.  The truth of the matter is if you do not teach your kids, someone or something else will.  I'm amazed when I hear parents say, "I want to give them their privacy."  What you're giving them is an opportunity to be taught by others.  I do concede that there are many cases out there where with some parents/kids, it's the blind leading the blind.  

[ToxicAvenger]

Do you believe the moon landing was faked?

I think it would be interesting mix, being an atheist and at the same time believing the moon landing was faked.

i think the moon landing ws faked...at least the one presented to the world



i urge you to watch this vid

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1485155465058882626&ei=EE-5SZGLH4qsrAKQxrz7Aw&q=secret+space

shorter more to the point if u dont have time

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4760/Alien_moon__Why_NASA_Never_Returned_To_The_Moon_1/


remember ..space is full of highly charged particles (radiation)a our space suits DID NOT have radiation protection built into em...

[Deicide]

Notwithstanding the fact that one of my kids just got out of diapers, you may as well cough up the $$$$$$ to Ozmo, now (I believe he prefers cash ).

There's a reason we have Bible Study in our home. We teach our kids the way of the Lord, as instructed in Scripture. The older kids often do have questions, and my wife and I are more than happy to answer them.

But, lack of questioning isn't the issue here. This has more to do with your claimthat such isn't being done, due to your assumption that, if it were, the result would be a rejection of one's faith. That, based on personal experience and observation, is categorically FALSE.

My mother didn't tell me to "try and be a good person"; she demanded that I be such (else my rump and her belt would be joined in disciplinary union). There was no doubt as to what right and wrong were, because she instructed me as to which was which, based on her Christian beliefs.

Kids get exposed to different ideas, whether their parents want them to be or not. I was exposed to such as a kid, and I went to Christian school virtually my entire K-12th grade life.

Wow, you were a victim of child abuse, I can relate and I am sorry to hear that.

[MCWAY]

Wow, you were a victim of child abuse, I can relate and I am sorry to hear that.

Hardly!!!

What my mother did is called discipline, something that is sorely lacking in today’s society, as is evidence by the behavior of some of these heathen kids today.

What some of my friends went through would be more like child abuse. Their parents DIDN'T discipline them, allowing them to act a fool. The shattered lives that some of them had as a result spoke volumes to that effect.

I am more than thankful for what my mother did for me. A butt-whipping here and there saved me a trip to the slammer (or my mother a trip to the morgue). My mother kept me from gangs, from drugs, from wreckless teenage fornicating, etc. And, my life is all the better because of it.

[Deicide]

Hardly!!!

What my mother did is called discipline, something that is sorely lacking in today’s society, as is evidence by the behavior of some of these heathen kids today.

Heathen kids, you really are out there. A belt is very painful, I know, I used to get belts with buckle in my face, you may call that discipline and some others may call it child abuse. I think hitting people unless in defence is wrong, let alone a little child.

What some of my friends went through would be more like child abuse. Their parents DIDN'T discipline them, allowing them to act a fool. The shattered lives that some of them had as a result spoke volumes to that effect.

I am more than thankful for what my mother did for me. A butt-whipping here and there saved me a trip to the slammer (or my mother a trip to the morgue). My mother kept me from gangs, from drugs, from wreckless teenage fornicating, etc. And, my life is all the better because of it.

You must have really grown up in some dumphole town because I am quite positive getting the crap beaten out of me did not motivate me to not do those things; I never did and something else must have been operative; the only thing violence inflicted on me by my parents did was make me want to retaliate. You don't need to beat children to teach them common sense.

[Dos Equis]

Of course.  As a parent you have the "right" to teach your kids about whatever religion you want, which ought to be the religion you believe is true. 

Has nothing to do with independent thinking.  There are absolutes and kids have to be taught about absolutes.  But there is plenty of room for debate.  I raise my kids to ask questions.  I tell them they don't have to agree with me about many subjects, but they better be able to logically justify their position. 

[Deicide]

Of course.  As a parent you have the "right" to teach your kids about whatever religion you want, which ought to be the religion you believe is true. 

Has nothing to do with independent thinking.  There are absolutes and kids have to be taught about absolutes.  But there is plenty of room for debate.  I raise my kids to ask questions.  I tell them they don't have to agree with me about many subjects, but they better be able to logically justify their position. 

Well, if they are smart and what you say is true, they will one give up Christianity.

[MCWAY]

Heathen kids, you really are out there. A belt is very painful, I know, I used to get belts with buckle in my face, you may call that discipline and some others may call it child abuse. I think hitting people unless in defence is wrong, let alone a little child.

Ummmm…..I didn’t get buckles to the face. What part of the phrase “butt-whipping” didn't you get?

As for the term, "heathen kids", I call some kids that today, because they behave like such

You must have really grown up in some dumphole town because I am quite positive getting the crap beaten out of me did not motivate me to not do those things; I never did and something else must have been operative; the only thing violence inflicted on me by my parents did was make me want to retaliate. You don't need to beat children to teach them common sense.

You guess wrong, yet again. I grew up in the Tampa Bay area and, for the most part, lived in a fairly nice neighborhood.

If you're so sure that "something else must have been operative", why can't you identify what that "something else" is?

Corporal punishment is a last resort and used to drive the point home. Teaching kids common sense is one thing; having them OBEY that common sense is quite another.

[Deicide]

Ummmm…..I didn’t get buckles to the face. What part of the phrase “butt-whipping” didn't you get?

As for the term, "heathen kids", I call some kids that today, because they behave like such

You guess wrong, yet again. I grew up in the Tampa Bay area and, for the most part, lived in a fairly nice neighborhood.

If you're so sure that "something else must have been operative", why can't you identify what that "something else" is?

Corporal punishment is a last resort and used to drive the point home. Teaching kids common sense is one thing; having them OBEY that common sense is quite another.

Plenty of people turned out ok without getting beaten. I know the fictious deity you worship loves violence and bloodshed and exercising authority and you seek to emulate that model. Well, some heathens have behaved better than many Christians and continue to do so.

[Dos Equis]

Well, if they are smart and what you say is true, they will one give up Christianity.

Quite the opposite.  If they are smart they will understand that all of their success in life will be as a result of the grace of God.   

[Deicide]

Quite the opposite.  If they are smart they will understand that all of their success in life will be as a result of the grace of God.   

All their success will be on God and all their failures will be their own, gotta love religious thinking.

[MCWAY]

Plenty of people turned out ok without getting beaten. I know the fictious deity you worship loves violence and bloodshed and exercising authority and you seek to emulate that model. Well, some heathens have behaved better than many Christians and continue to do so.

I don't call disrespecting adults, committing crimes, promiscuity, gang violence, stealing, etc. as better behavior. Lest you continue to misunderstand, it is those youth that exhibit such action to whom I gave the label, "heathen kids", regardless of whether they came from Christian homes or not.

Plus, you've still yet to identify this "operative", responsible for your behavior.

[Deicide]

I don't call disrespecting adults, committing crimes, promiscuity, gang violence, stealing, etc. as better behavior. Lest you continue to misunderstand, it is those youth that exhibit such action to whom I gave the label, "heathen kids", regardless of whether they came from Christian homes or not.

Plus, you've still yet to identify this "operative", responsible for your behavior.

It's called the Golden Rule and philosophers espoused this idea thousands of years before your allegedly extant godman made the claim. In essence it is common sense, I want to be treated decently by people and I try to do the same.