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I didn't think it would even get far enough to bother posting here....
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 I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
    O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
    But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
    But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
    The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
    O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
    Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
    But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
    The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
    O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
    While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
    But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
    There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
    O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
    But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
    An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
    An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

          -- Rudyard Kipling
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Re: Serious question for former/current getbiggers in the military
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2009, 03:50:00 AM »
Well....I am not going to blame Bush as much as the DOD and that means Rumsfeld. Many of us are not fans of that guy and alot of this stuff originated with him. But the Dems are horrible and getting worse. Carter was so bad....Congress has done ok at times whether Dem or Repub...but now we have Nancy Pelosi and the Libs will kill us. Webb and Skelton are great...I'd kick Murtha in the balls.
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From Obama's campaign website:

"As President, Barrak Obama will fully fund the VA so it has all the resources it needs to serve the veterans who need it, when they need it. The current administration did not adequately plan for the true costs of this war. It has consistently underinvested in healthcare for our heroic veterans. Without assured funding year after year, our veterans are forced to make do with the VA they have, rather than the VA they deserve."

I'd sincerely like to know how all those military-associated, who voted for Obama and inflicted him on this great nation, feel about that vote now.....

Where does it stop.....if I didn't live in the real world I'd say the wackjob lefties want the Vets and gun owners out of the way. U won't have guns, ammo and door kickers to stop the impending stupidity. Ok my tin foil hat slipped.
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I agree...but Rumsfeld's arrogance was legendary. Gates just does his job but will stand up to Obama as well as he did with Bush. Rummy just did his own thing. The DOD will at times do their own thing. If they don't want to pull out of Iraq, we won't. There were times under Reagan that they wouldn't brief him on stuff that "certain organizations" wanted to do in response to the Beruit bombing, because he would have gone ahead. The same thing happened with Bush
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I agree...but Rumsfeld's arrogance was legendary. Gates just does his job but will stand up to Obama as well as he did with Bush. Rummy just did his own thing. The DOD will at times do their own thing. If they don't want to pull out of Iraq, we won't. There were times under Reagan that they wouldn't brief him on stuff that "certain organizations" wanted to do in response to the Beruit bombing, because he would have gone ahead. The same thing happened with Bush

This is just part of a bigger picture as to what Obama is all about.  He is a radical communist agitator who speaks softly.

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a radical communist agitator? lol

Saul Alinsky - look it up.  He was his political mentor who authored Rules for Radicals.

William Ayeres and his terrorist wife Bernadine Dorhn.  - Look it up.

There is simply no other explanation for the insanity and traitorous policies this Kenyan sleeper cell is pursuing.

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Saul Alinsky - look it up.  He was his political mentor who authored Rules for Radicals.

William Ayeres and his terrorist wife Bernadine Dorhn.  - Look it up.

There is simply no other explanation for the insanity and traitorous policies this Kenyan sleeper cell is pursuing.

Where do you get the notion that Saul Alinsky was a communist?

From what I've seen, he was a staunch supporter of democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
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Stay on target...stay on target.....guys this is way to important to be hijacked.
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Stay on target...stay on target.....guys this is way to important to be hijacked.


Sorry about that.

As for the original topic:

Sure - I think if soldiers sign up under certain conditions, you can't take that away.

But perhaps it's possible to get a mixed effort between private insurance and government?

I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of Obama's push to get the public opinion in support of universal health care BTW.

Most people will support the government taking care of the vets - and then it will only be a small step to see a coverage for the rest of the nation.
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that's what it looks like

"Alinsky was a critic of mainstream liberalism, which he considered passive and ineffective. In Rules for Radicals, he argued that the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired ends, and that an intermediate end for radicals should be democracy because of its relative ease to work within to achieve other ends of social justice. In 1969, he was awarded the Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award."

what's up with that 33?

People like Obama and Alinsky are smart enough to know that they cant sway people to their side if they are honest and come out and say what they truly feel.  They know that by doing things like in alinsky's book, it will be easier to achieve the same end. 

Make no mistake, Obama shares the same goals as people like Ayeres, but is smart enough to know that you cant put a radical or angry face on it.

Why do you think Obama campaigned on "Hope & Change" without defining it???????

If he were honest about what his plans were, he would have lost and he knows it.     

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President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2009, 09:57:21 AM »
The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment

   
Mon Mar 16, 5:49 pm ET
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To: POLITICAL EDITORS

Contact: Craig Roberts of The American Legion , +1-202-263-2982 Office, +1-202-406-0887 Cell

WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

"It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."

The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ' to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans !"

Commander Rehbein was among a group of senior officials from veterans service organizations joining the President, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, the overseer of defense spending at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The group's early afternoon conversation at The White House was precipitated by a letter of protest presented to the President earlier this month. The letter, co-signed by Commander Rehbein and the heads of ten colleague organizations, read, in part, " There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran's personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide. While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable."

Commander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran's condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits. The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits.

"I got the distinct impression that the only hope of this plan not being enacted," said Commander Rehbein, "is for an alternative plan to be developed that would generate the desired $540-million in revenue. The American Legion has long advocated for Medicare reimbursement to VA for the treatment of veterans. This, we believe, would more easily meet the President's financial goal. We will present that idea in an anticipated conference call with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel in the near future.

"I only hope the administration will really listen to us then. This matter has far more serious ramifications than the President is imagining," concluded the Commander.

SOURCE The American Legion
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Re: President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2009, 09:59:31 AM »
The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment

   
Mon Mar 16, 5:49 pm ET
Featured Topics:

To: POLITICAL EDITORS

Contact: Craig Roberts of The American Legion , +1-202-263-2982 Office, +1-202-406-0887 Cell

WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

"It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."

The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ' to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans !"

Commander Rehbein was among a group of senior officials from veterans service organizations joining the President, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, the overseer of defense spending at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The group's early afternoon conversation at The White House was precipitated by a letter of protest presented to the President earlier this month. The letter, co-signed by Commander Rehbein and the heads of ten colleague organizations, read, in part, " There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran's personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide. While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable."

Commander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran's condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits. The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits.

"I got the distinct impression that the only hope of this plan not being enacted," said Commander Rehbein, "is for an alternative plan to be developed that would generate the desired $540-million in revenue. The American Legion has long advocated for Medicare reimbursement to VA for the treatment of veterans. This, we believe, would more easily meet the President's financial goal. We will present that idea in an anticipated conference call with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel in the near future.

"I only hope the administration will really listen to us then. This matter has far more serious ramifications than the President is imagining," concluded the Commander.

SOURCE The American Legion

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I called that guy Roberts on his cell phone and he told me that there has been an overwhelming response and people are very upset.  I called Schumer and Gilibrand this morning. 

Obama is a disgrace.