Any Religious People Here?

[webcake]

Sorry kyomu, but quantum theory has absolutely nothing to do with any religion. It's a scientific theory with the exact same qualities as Newtonian physics. People try to interpret something spiritual into scientific theories all the time, but that's pseudo science, not real science.

Do you believe in god?

[lovemonkey]

Sorry kyomu, but quantum theory has absolutely nothing to do with any religion. It's a scientific theory with the exact same qualities as Newtonian physics. People try to interpret something spiritual into scientific theories all the time, but that's pseudo science, not real science.

Nicely put. Like I said before, I think kyomu is a hopeless case, always trying to find some type of supernatural explanation for everything even though it's not warranted or necessary.

[wavelength]

Do you believe in god?

The answer to that question depends on how "God" and "Belief" is defined. IMO, no "belief" is required to realize that the very fact of formal existence requires a formless precondition out of which such existence can arise.

[webcake]

The answer to that question depends on how "God" and "Belief" is defined. IMO, no "belief" is required to realize that the very fact of formal existence requires a formless precondition out of which such existence can arise.

cool

Do you have a degree in some sort of Science? You seem smart.....

[wavelength]

cool

Do you have a degree in some sort of Science? You seem smart.....

LOL, I have a master in electrical engineering / computer science. Philosophy is just a hobby.

[webcake]

LOL, I have a master in electrical engineering / computer science. Philosophy is just a hobby.

Just wondering.....it's just i was discussing this topic with my uncle the other day. He is a Professor of Microbiology and i wanted to hear his opinion on god and relegion and all that. Naturally, his reply was "I don't believe in god.....i believe in Science"

[wavelength]

Just wondering.....it's just i was discussing this topic with my uncle the other day. He is a Professor of Microbiology and i wanted to hear his opinion on god and relegion and all that. Naturally, his reply was "I don't believe in god.....i believe in Science"

Doesn't make too much sense to me. There is absolutely no room for belief in the realm of science. You can believe that a certain scientific theory will remain valid, but you have to give up that believe anyway as soon as new evidence arises. Otherwise you're not a scientist.

The misconception is that science competes with spirituality in the task of explaining the world. The fact is however, that science only describes the scientific aspects of the world, while spirituality tries to answer the essential questions of mankind in a holistic way, something science is just not able to do, due to it's inherent restrictions.

The dispute your uncle talks about is between scientific positivists (people who mistake science for an ideology) and religious fundamentalists (people who mistake religion for an ideology). It's a made-up conflict between two mislead group of people.

[webcake]

Doesn't make too much sense to me. There is absolutely no room for belief in the realm of science. You can believe that a certain scientific theory will remain valid, but you have to give up that believe anyway as soon as new evidence arises. Otherwise you're not a scientist.

The misconception is that science competes with spirituality in the task of explaining the world. The fact is however, that science only describes the scientific aspects of the world, while spirituality tries to answer the essential questions of mankind in a holistic way, something science is just not able to do, due to it's inherent restrictions.

The dispute your uncle talks about is between scientific positivists (people who mistake science for an ideology) and religious fundamentalists (people who mistake religion for an ideology). It's a made-up conflict between two mislead group of people.

Yes i think his comment was in regards to The Theory of Evolution and so forth.

All i know is that My uncle = Professor.....webcke = humble Fitness Specialist. So i think he was trying to explain it in layman terms.....

[kyomu]

Wow man, go take some english communication classes, because you seem to misunderstand every other thing I write.

What you're referring to is BUILT UP knowledge. It doesn't matter if quantum theory contradicts newtons, that knowledge is still gained.

I never said that.

No, Its sooooo beyond your concept and you dont understand.

Do you think the things "progress" or "evolutionize"?

If you think that YOU ARE REALLY CATHOLIC.

[kyomu]

Sorry kyomu, but quantum theory has absolutely nothing to do with any religion. It's a scientific theory with the exact same qualities as Newtonian physics. People try to interpret something spiritual into scientific theories all the time, but that's pseudo science, not real science.

Have you ever read any Taoism or Budism concept?

They are philosophy. Not religions.

[kyomu]

I recommend you guys to read The Emperor's New Mind by Roger Penrose.
How our under conciousness dominate us.

Let alone concept. Even if you think that you are independent from religious concept(social concept),you are sufficiently brainwashed in deep concept level. Thats why you guys dont understand what i am saying and always try to crasify what is religious and what is not.

[wavelength]

Have you ever read any Taoism or Budism concept?
They are philosophy. Not religions.

I don't know too much about Taoism but I've read a lot about Buddhism. Whether it is a religion or philosophy (you can find arguments for both positions) is irrelevant to the fact that it has nothing to do with quantum physics, which is a natural scientific theory, nothing more, nothing less. Everything that is interpreted into it besides that is pseudo-science resp. pseudo-philosophy. BTW, we have actually discussed this topic in the past and you agreed.

[The Master]

I don't know too much about Taoism but I've read a lot about Buddhism. Whether it is a religion or philosophy (you can find arguments for both positions) is irrelevant to the fact that it has nothing to do with quantum physics, which is a natural scientific theory, nothing more, nothing less. Everything that is interpreted into it besides that is pseudo-science resp. pseudo-philosophy. BTW, we have actually discussed this topic in the past and you agreed.

I recommend you guys to read The Emperor's New Mind by Roger Penrose.
How our under conciousness dominate us.

Let alone concept. Even if you think that you are independent from religious concept(social concept),you are sufficiently brainwashed in deep concept level. Thats why you guys dont understand what i am saying and always try to crasify what is religious and what is not.

Why dontya you two nerdy intellectual smart guys shut up with this high IQ discussion, and start talking about beer, pussy and tits and eating sperm instead? Debussey wants to understand what you two = writing in your posts, and with a 52IQ, Debussey = having issues tagging along You big bad smart nerds. Start writing and thinking with your cocks

[wavelength]

Why dontya you two nerdy intellectual smart guys shut up with this high IQ discussion, and start talking about beer, pussy and tits and eating sperm instead? Debussey wants to understand what you two = writing in your posts, and with a 52IQ, Debussey = having issues tagging along You big bad smart nerds. Start writing and thinking with your cocks

you're not exactly the high school dropout yourself there stud

[The Master]

you're not exactly the high school dropout yourself there stud

Debussey barely knows how to read


Please bring on the sperm eating talk

[wavelength]

Debussey barely knows how to read

same here after the 4th glass of wine and some whacky tabacky

[The Master]

same here after the 4th glass of wine and some whacky tabacky

You like the jazz-tobacco? 

Please prepare your bong and bring this discussion down to "barely knows how to read, but obsessed with sperm eating" level

[Necrosis]

Science (natural science that is) has a very strict and clear definition. It is restricted to describing the scientific aspects of the world. God and spirituality are simply no topics of science. Scientists who think differently are mislead followers of an ideology they only believe to be based in science.

spirituality and GOD are not topics, you keep missing this point. Theology deserves no attention, no admiration, it has contributed nothing and has not evolved since aquinas's times. Name one relevant philosopher who is a theologian that makes any relevant arguments.
we have to base arguments on axioms, or accepted truths, if we dont make assumptions we cannot move forward.

[Tombo]

Why dontya you two nerdy intellectual smart guys shut up with this high IQ discussion, and start talking about beer, pussy and tits and eating sperm instead? Debussey wants to understand what you two = writing in your posts, and with a 52IQ, Debussey = having issues tagging along You big bad smart nerds. Start writing and thinking with your cocks

I think we're being a little modest with that number there... Tombo = not under the impression that Debussey = borderline r-tarded!

[kyomu]

spirituality and GOD are not topics, you keep missing this point. Theology deserves no attention, no admiration, it has contributed nothing and has not evolved since aquinas's times. Name one relevant philosopher who is a theologian that makes any relevant arguments.
we have to base arguments on axioms, or accepted truths, if we dont make assumptions we cannot move forward.

Good explanation. I should have written like this.

[liberalismo]

Thats why you dont know modern science....

The quantum theory is TOTALY nothing to do with NEWTON theory.

ACTUALY, OPPOSITE CONCEPT.

For the biginner like you.
I explain simply in short word.

Newton= There is an absolute principle and always ver certain...............It s a judeochristian concept.

Quantum= There is no absolute principle and always changing without any rule. Very uncertain........Budism and Taoism concept

If it gains,the quantum theory should stand on the basis of Newton theory.

Newtonian physics works for things of everyday size, even including things like planets. But the smaller you go the less predictive Newtonian physics is and then quantum mechanics is needed.

Quantum mechanics never "replaced" Newtonian physics. Totally different areas we're talking about.

[G o a t b o y]

Why do discussions on religion always devolve into simplistic "creationism vs evolution" debates?  Regardless of your beliefs about the origins of humanity (or the earth or the universe), it should be obvious to anyone more intelligent than a chimp that all religions currently practiced are man-made, pulled wholly from the imaginations of their human authors.

[clued-up]

you're not exactly the high school dropout yourself there stud

I am.. missed quite a bit of jr high as well.

[wavelength]

spirituality and GOD are not topics, you keep missing this point. Theology deserves no attention, no admiration, it has contributed nothing and has not evolved since aquinas's times. Name one relevant philosopher who is a theologian that makes any relevant arguments.
we have to base arguments on axioms, or accepted truths, if we dont make assumptions we cannot move forward.

Statements too vague to correlate with the topic at hand IMO. We have gone through all these arguments multiple times anyway.

[clued-up]

I believe there is a god.. who created everything we see and comprehend.