Pro-life group calls on Notre Dame to rescind Obama invite

[Straw Man]

if youre ok with abortion, youre ok with a women walking away from her responsibility...I understand how you feel but what i dont understand is how you feel that way about men but are ok with women getting an abortion? again logically it shouldnt matter you take care of your kids, you take responsibility for your actions...this is how you feel but for some reason it only applies to men 

whats the beginning of life for you?

to quote Bill Hicks - Life begins when you're in my phonebook

seriously, I have no clue when "life" begins but if you do please spill it

I've already said I think both parents are equally responsible for their actions but we both know that isn't reality in many cases. 

If I understand you correctly you are

1.  against abortion and think it's murder but it's ok to "murder" in some cases such as rape, incest, "self defence" (i.e risk to the mothers life)

2.  believe that if abortion is allowed then the father should also be allowed to refuse any and all responsiblity for the child leaving it the sole responsiblity of the mother

We know you're against abortion so should I assume that you believe that all women should be forced to carry each pregnancy to term and all men must be forced to support the child

Do I understand your position correctly?

[tonymctones]

to quote Bill Hicks - Life begins when you're in my phonebook

seriously, I have no clue when "life" begins but if you do please spill it

I've already said I think both parents are equally responsible for their actions but we both know that isn't reality in many cases. 

If I understand you correctly you are

1.  against abortion and think it's murder but it's ok to "murder" in some cases such as rape, incest, "self defence" (i.e risk to the mothers life)

2.  believe that if abortion is allowed then the father should also be allowed to refuse any and all responsiblity for the child leaving it the sole responsiblity of the mother

We know you're against abortion so should I assume that you believe that all women should be forced to carry each pregnancy to term and all men must be forced to support the child

Do I understand your position correctly?

while i have no definite moment when life starts, there are plenty of decent arguements out there, death is technically when electrical activity stops in the brain so life could be when electrical activity starts. Another could be when the baby is concieved. If you dont have any defined points then why not include infantcide as well?

1. Yes i believe its murder, i said perhaps incest b/c of birth defects but then again i said that would open up the door to a whole host of other options, dont spin here straw...Yes in the event that the mothers health is in danger then yes i would be ok with her choosing to have an abortion, Rape is a seperate issue and since the mother was not a willing participant of the act and b/c her mental health may come into play i would be ok with her deciding then.

2. Yes, although i would be ok with a severly reduced form of child support or perhaps split the medical bills with the mother during pregnancy and nothing afterwards. Again the mother can have an abortion without the fathers consent, the father is stuck one way or the other never having his voice recognized...how do you think thats fair?

3. It gets a tad bit complicated with child support and such, i mean if she gets remarried, gives the child up for adoption, etc...those are grey areas i could go into those if youd like but for the most part lets say ya i think women for other then the reasons ive stated should give birth to the child and men should support their children if they dont live with them.

Lets go over yours here

Your for women being able to escape responsibility but against men having the choice

you feel men should take responsibility for their actions and support their kids, but not women.

you have no belief of when life starts but you still are ok with abortion...do you believe in infantcide as well?

[Straw Man]

while i have no definite moment when life starts, there are plenty of decent arguements out there, death is technically when electrical activity stops in the brain so life could be when electrical activity starts. Another could be when the baby is concieved. If you dont have any defined points then why not include infantcide as well?

1. Yes i believe its murder, i said perhaps incest b/c of birth defects but then again i said that would open up the door to a whole host of other options, dont spin here straw...Yes in the event that the mothers health is in danger then yes i would be ok with her choosing to have an abortion, Rape is a seperate issue and since the mother was not a willing participant of the act and b/c her mental health may come into play i would be ok with her deciding then.

2. Yes, although i would be ok with a severly reduced form of child support or perhaps split the medical bills with the mother during pregnancy and nothing afterwards. Again the mother can have an abortion without the fathers consent, the father is stuck one way or the other never having his voice recognized...how do you think thats fair?

3. It gets a tad bit complicated with child support and such, i mean if she gets remarried, gives the child up for adoption, etc...those are grey areas i could go into those if youd like but for the most part lets say ya i think women for other then the reasons ive stated should give birth to the child and men should support their children if they dont live with them.

Lets go over yours here

Your for women being able to escape responsibility but against men having the choice

you feel men should take responsibility for their actions and support their kids, but not women.

you have no belief of when life starts but you still are ok with abortion...do you believe in infantcide as well?

regarding "life" I don't know when it starts but I don't think I need to at conception or even preconception (post sex but before conception).

I recognize their is a difference between a speck of cells and human baby - do you?

I don't think I'm "spinning".  If you think abortion is murder then how can abortion OK in cases of incest and rape.  Shouldn't the unfortunate victim be forced to carry that pregnancy to term and then if she chooses, put it up for adoption?  Why is murder OK in case of rape/incest. 

If I understand you correctly - you're suggesting that it's "fair" to either have a "severly reduced form of child support or perhaps split the medical bills with the mother during pregnancy and nothing afterwards."   So "fair" to you is a greatly reduced obligation and then nothing after the woman is out of the hospital?

on to the positions you've "assigned" to me:

Your for women being able to escape responsibility but against men having the choice  -  I've said both should be equally responsible

you feel men should take responsibility for their actions and support their kids, but not women. - again I've said both should be equally responsible

you have no belief of when life starts but you still are ok with abortion...do you believe in infantcide as well? - I can differentiate between a microscopic cluster of cells and  human being - how about you?



 

[tonymctones]

regarding "life" I don't know when it starts but I don't think I need to at conception or even preconception (post sex but before conception).

I recognize their is a difference between a speck of cells and human baby - do you?

I don't think I'm "spinning".  If you think abortion is murder then how can abortion OK in cases of incest and rape.  Shouldn't the unfortunate victim be forced to carry that pregnancy to term and then if she chooses, put it up for adoption?  Why is murder OK in case of rape/incest. 

If I understand you correctly - you're suggesting that it's "fair" to either have a "severly reduced form of child support or perhaps split the medical bills with the mother during pregnancy and nothing afterwards."   So "fair" to you is a greatly reduced obligation and then nothing after the woman is out of the hospital?

on to the positions you've "assigned" to me:

Your for women being able to escape responsibility but against men having the choice  -  I've said both should be equally responsible

you feel men should take responsibility for their actions and support their kids, but not women. - again I've said both should be equally responsible

you have no belief of when life starts but you still are ok with abortion...do you believe in infantcide as well? - I can differentiate between a microscopic cluster of cells and  human being - how about you?

The problem is straw you do need to have a logical reasoning for a point in time when you believe life begins, if its some simple arbitrary point with no reasoning then ppl can make the case for infantcide as well, do you understand or you need me to expand on that?

the baby is made up of specks of cells...

No fair to me is equality of options, when there is equality of responsibility...you see the women have the options here straw the men do not...i really dont know how much more clear to make it, i really dont understand how you dont believe that to be unfair and discrimatory against men?

You keep stating they are equally responsible and i agree, but you dont think that each party should have equal rights? this is the essence of the arguement straw youre ok with discriminating against mean, youre ok with the law being favorable towards women, youre ok with women running from responsibility yet you demonize men who do...do you see how retarded that sounds?

Apparently you cant differentiate between a speck of cells and a human baby b/c you have no point where you believe life begins. If you did you would have a point in time when you believe that the fetus is alive and a baby instead of just cells.

[Deicide]

The problem is straw you do need to have a logical reasoning for a point in time when you believe life begins, if its some simple arbitrary point with no reasoning then ppl can make the case for infantcide as well, do you understand or you need me to expand on that?

the baby is made up of specks of cells...

No fair to me is equality of options, when there is equality of responsibility...you see the women have the options here straw the men do not...i really dont know how much more clear to make it, i really dont understand how you dont believe that to be unfair and discrimatory against men?

You keep stating they are equally responsible and i agree, but you dont think that each party should have equal rights? this is the essence of the arguement straw youre ok with discriminating against mean, youre ok with the law being favorable towards women, youre ok with women running from responsibility yet you demonize men who do...do you see how retarded that sounds?

Apparently you cant differentiate between a speck of cells and a human baby b/c you have no point where you believe life begins. If you did you would have a point in time when you believe that the fetus is alive and a baby instead of just cells.

Wow...

[The Master]

Abortions should be available.

In Norway, these religious nut-jobs have little to say, women can get abortions until the 12th week if they want it. (But needs a doctors approval for abortions after the 12th week).

[Deicide]

Abortions should be available.

In Norway, these religious nut-jobs have little to say, women can get abortions until the 12th week if they want it. (But needs a doctors approval for abortions after the 12th week).

Norge er landet!

[tonymctones]

Abortions should be available.

In Norway, these religious nut-jobs have little to say, women can get abortions until the 12th week if they want it. (But needs a doctors approval for abortions after the 12th week).

are you for men having the ability of being just as irresponsible as the women who get abortions?

My views dont necissarily stem from religion, and not all ppl who are against abortion are religious...