What is our mission in Afghanistan?

[IFBBwannaB]

based upon the fact that we negotiated with the taleban from 1998 until summer 2001 over oil drilling rights...

based upon the fact that the taleban runs about 1/2 of the country now de facto...

based upon the fact the Taleban has a pretty big "say" in what the govt does...

based upon the fact the drug trade is bigger than it was in 2001...

I'd say it's safe to say that in a year or two, we'll STILL be negotiating with - the Taleban - for oil drilling rights in their country (casian basin).  Except for now, we'll have a shitload of bases which coincidentally are right along that path the oil pipeline will take.  If they sell out to some other country, you can betcha we'll be finding ways to ruin their days.  he with the guns makes the rules, ya know?

it is what it is.  we gotta control their oil.  Russia and china can't.  In 15 years when that shit needs tapped for our survival, if Putin owns it, we're screwed.

BB, the goal is a perpetual conflict.  As long as the war isn't over, we don't leave.  And if we don't leave, nobody else moves in on that pipeline.  You scoffed when I said it 5 years ago.  however it's 2009 and yes, the taleban is STRONGER than they were in 2001.  After 8 years of war. 

War cost >>>>>> any oil well price.

Have you missed that part? It's much cheaper to just buy oil wells or companies that own drilling rights.
Instead of going to a giant war for oil why not create some fake new billionares that will slowly and secretly buy all the oil companies in the world? It's much cheaper.

I can think of many other CT's you will like that are more financially profitable.

To be honest, the most crazy thing is that investing a fraction of the money on wars\oils drilling can provide the very small distance from having a reasonable green solutions, the research is very near it's target nowdays.

[240 is Back]

I can think of many other CT's you will like that are more financially profitable.

List them.



We're talking 20 trillion barrels under afghanistan (known and saleable) and 50 trillion under Iraq.  And if we have them, that's 70 trillion in the bank the other guy (russia and china) do not have.

If you know of any resource in the world worth more than ten trillion barrels of oil, let's hear it   In the util sense, 2 small wars in order to control the biggest stash of oil in the world is well worth it.

[IFBBwannaB]

List them.



We're talking 20 trillion barrels under Afghanistan (known and saleable) and 50 trillion under Iraq.  And if we have them, that's 70 trillion in the bank the other guy (Russia and china) do not have.

If you know of any resource in the world worth more than ten trillion barrels of oil, let's hear it   In the until sense, 2 small wars in order to control the biggest stash of oil in the world is well worth it.

LOL, you only exaggerated in 1000-100 times more. Iraq is estimated at 200Bill that means 0.2Trill....like I said, you're awesome at math.

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2003/0512globalenvironment_luft.aspx

http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2005/06/how-much-oil-does-iraq-have.html

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aairaqioil.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves   -   A summary for you, scroll down.



To conclude, yes, a war costs more than the oil not to mention the political BS around it.
It would be much cheaper to stay at home and buy the oil from people who don't hate you for invading countries.

Also...if the US went for the oil....why does fuel sill costs are high?

[George Whorewell]

I'm glad someone finally stated the obvious^

Also, why did we invade in the first place? For shits and giggles? I know 240 thinks 911 was an inside job ( and so was Katrina and the tsunami that swept across Asia in 2004) but who else here believes we went to Afghanistan for any other reason besides fighting Al Queda and the Taliban?

Obama is sending troops there because he doesn't want to appear weak and incompetent in fighting a war that most Americans support. Keep something else in mind my friends. Imagine if Obama by some miracle finds Bin Laden- I would venture to guess that unless our economy totally collapses, meaning the USSR in the 80's and early 90's, Obama will be reelected by a landslide. With half of our troops leaving Iraq in less than two years time and more resources being diverted to Afghanistan, it's clear Obama wants to leave Iraq and focus on catching Bin Laden. Can't say I disagree with him.

As far as this oil pipeline nonsense goes, give me a break. It would cost more money than could be printed, the entire Taliban would have to be exterminated and a security force rivaling an army of comic book superheros would be required to guard it and maintain it during the construction process and afterward. It would be a huge, gaping, terrorist target in the biggest hotbed of terrorism in the world. It would be like having a 1000 mile synagogue built from Pakistan to Egypt.

[Deicide]

I'm glad someone finally stated the obvious^

Also, why did we invade in the first place? For shits and giggles? I know 240 thinks 911 was an inside job ( and so was Katrina and the tsunami that swept across Asia in 2004) but who else here believes we went to Afghanistan for any other reason besides fighting Al Queda and the Taliban?

Obama is sending troops there because he doesn't want to appear weak and incompetent in fighting a war that most Americans support. Keep something else in mind my friends. Imagine if Obama by some miracle finds Bin Laden- I would venture to guess that unless our economy totally collapses, meaning the USSR in the 80's and early 90's, Obama will be reelected by a landslide. With half of our troops leaving Iraq in less than two years time and more resources being diverted to Afghanistan, it's clear Obama wants to leave Iraq and focus on catching Bin Laden. Can't say I disagree with him.

As far as this oil pipeline nonsense goes, give me a break. It would cost more money than could be printed, the entire Taliban would have to be exterminated and a security force rivaling an army of comic book superheros would be required to guard it and maintain it during the construction process and afterward. It would be a huge, gaping, terrorist target in the biggest hotbed of terrorism in the world. It would be like having a 1000 mile synagogue built from Pakistan to Egypt.

So various PhDs, scholars and professional journalists who believe we are over there for natural resources are off their rocker?

[headhuntersix]

A decide if u haven't figured out by now that various PhDs, scholars and professional journalists all have agenda's ,most decidedly anti-American....then u live in a cave. Academics represent the nut bag left wing idiots in this country and the MSM is in the tank for the left. There isn't a hell of alot of anything in afghanistan that anybody wants.

[George Whorewell]

lol BRUTAL SELF OWNING.

Are these the same "professional journalists" that think there is no liberal bias in the media?

Are these the same "professional journalists" that disagree with the PhD economists that think the spending and stimulus packages are a disaster?

Since when do intelligent, informed people depend on "professional journalists" for defining our military operations or anything else?

Are you seriously espousing the view that in 2001 we invaded Afghanistan for natural resources? 

[headhuntersix]

I was unaware u could do much with dirt and rocks....Even if some nutcase said that they could build a pipe line through there, it would be impossible. U have 40 years of land mines, bandits and an almost impossible life line situation. Getting parts in, housing people etc..would be cost prohibitive. Thats in 1998....now its impossible.

[Deicide]

lol BRUTAL SELF OWNING.

Are these the same "professional journalists" that think there is no liberal bias in the media?

Are these the same "professional journalists" that disagree with the PhD economists that think the spending and stimulus packages are a disaster?

Since when do intelligent, informed people depend on "professional journalists" for defining our military operations or anything else?

Are you seriously espousing the view that in 2001 we invaded Afghanistan for natural resources? 

Chalmers Johnson is not 'left wing'; he is a former Cold Warrior and advisor to the CIA:

[George Whorewell]

Decide, stop posting videos and answer my question. Its very straight forward. Do you believe we invaded Afghanistan in 2001 for natural resources?

[Deicide]

Decide, stop posting videos and answer my question. Its very straight forward. Do you believe we invaded Afghanistan in 2001 for natural resources?

I think we invaded Iraq for several reasons; the spin reason would be 'getting Osama and liberating the poor people there'. The real reason indubitably is related to securing massive amounts of natural resources found in bordering countries.

[headhuntersix]

What countries.....Iran? Pakistan? One of the Stans....would could have just asked them......gimme a break? Let me guess we manufactured 911 and Bin laden so we could camp in Afghanistan, the asshole of the world.

[Deicide]

What countries.....Iran? Pakistan? One of the Stans....would could have just asked them......gimme a break? Let me guess we manufactured 911 and Bin laden so we could camp in Afghanistan, the asshole of the world.

No, I am not a 9/11 conspiracist. I think Osama did it for the reasons he cited: military occupation of the Arabian peninsula, sanctions imposed on Iraq, etc. In other words blow back.

[headhuntersix]

Wow, apologizing for Osama Bin laden...u really ought to stay out of my country. Can u  turn in ur passport as well.

[Benny B]

Wow, never thought I'd see the day I agree (to a certain extent) with Georgie and HH6.   

"240" and our resident moron "Deicide" must smoke some powerful shit to get through the day. This fucktard thinks the U.S. invaded Afghanistan for RESOURCES? What fucking resources? Forget the conspiracy retards...we have people who after SEVEN YEARS can't understand the Afghanistan invasion.  It must have been a dream I had seven and one half years ago when I was scared shitless that my brother was trapped in the Twin Towers coming home from work that Tuesday morning. All those people killed...a few who worked for the same company as me, and we should have just let AQ and the Taliban laugh and throw parties in celebration of what they did?

These must be the people who failed third grade so many times that the principal just says "fuck it," and they let these bozos pass.  These are the people that should have been locked up in Guantanamo Bay, instead of people rounded up without trial just for being Arab and in the wrong place. There should be a law against this level of stupidity in America. 

[240 is Back]

Also, why did we invade in the first place? For shits and giggles? I know 240 thinks 911 was an inside job ( and so was Katrina and the tsunami that swept across Asia in 2004)

See, you "know" something that I've never written.

katrina was a damn hurricane.
the tsunami was a tsunami.

You assign all these other silly theories to me, and it's just a plain lie.

[George Whorewell]

LOL- C'mon 240 admit you've thought about GW's ( meaning George W Bush's) secret weather catastrophe machine unleashing anarchy across the globe.  Even you can't think I'm being serious... but then again, when taking the serious tone of your previous posting into consideration, who knows?

Decide, once again I never said a word about Iraq. I don't agree with the invasion in Iraq either- (although I hardly think we did anything that made the world worse off than before) I am asking about AFGHANISTAN.

For the third time, do you believe we invaded AFGHANISTAN in 2001 for natural resources? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[240 is Back]

LOL- C'mon 240 admit you've thought about GW's ( meaning George W Bush's) secret weather catastrophe machine unleashing anarchy across the globe.  Even you can't think I'm being serious... but then again, when taking the serious tone of your previous posting into consideration, who knows?

well, ppl always lump CTers together.

The 2 chairs (authors keane and hamilton) of the 911 commission believe we need another investigation.  Do they believe in martians?

[IFBBwannaB]

How nice of 240 to completely ignore how I owned him 

[240 is Back]

How nice of 240 to completely ignore how I owned him 

you're a phd candidate with an engineering degree who speaks 5 languages bragging about owning somebody on a bodybuilding message board.

sounds like you're owning yourself, hun

[IFBBwannaB]

you're a phd candidate with an engineering degree who speaks 5 languages bragging about owning somebody on a bodybuilding message board.

sounds like you're owning yourself, hun

Another post that was off topic, have a hard time dealing with the real numbers? You want me to buy you a pump for your birthday?

[IFBBwannaB]

A bump for our internet warrior who fake numbers 

[Deicide]

Wow, apologizing for Osama Bin laden...u really ought to stay out of my country. Can u  turn in ur passport as well.

Rudi tried this same shit on Ron Paul... I am not apologing for Osama. I am citing his motives. Murderers have motives, understanding them doesn't make you sympathetic to the murderer or the crime.

[Deicide]

Wow, never thought I'd see the day I agree (to a certain extent) with Georgie and HH6.   

"240" and our resident moron "Deicide" must smoke some powerful shit to get through the day. This fucktard thinks the U.S. invaded Afghanistan for RESOURCES? What fucking resources? Forget the conspiracy retards...we have people who after SEVEN YEARS can't understand the Afghanistan invasion.  It must have been a dream I had seven and one half years ago when I was scared shitless that my brother was trapped in the Twin Towers coming home from work that Tuesday morning. All those people killed...a few who worked for the same company as me, and we should have just let AQ and the Taliban laugh and throw parties in celebration of what they did?

These must be the people who failed third grade so many times that the principal just says "fuck it," and they let these bozos pass.  These are the people that should have been locked up in Guantanamo Bay, instead of people rounded up without trial just for being Arab and in the wrong place. There should be a law against this level of stupidity in America. 

This coming from a psychopath who has openly called for the public decapitation of me and another poster. You Mr. Violent, have zero credibility.

[240 is Back]

"240" and our resident moron "Deicide" must smoke some powerful shit to get through the day. This fucktard thinks the U.S. invaded Afghanistan for RESOURCES? What fucking resources?

From 1998 thru spring of 2001, Dick Cheney at haliburton worked with the state dept to negotiate with the taleban (the ruling party of afghanistan) for oil and gas drilling rights.

True or false, Benny?