The hardest Most Muscular pose i have ever seen.

[kyomu]

Beast!

How tall is paco again?

174cm

[webcake]

174cm

Oh ok, that's a bit shorter than i thought.

[kyomu]

Oh ok, that's a bit shorter than i thought.

Thats why he is a beast. Not so tall and super shredded with 121kg.
Wide waist bbers are heavy. But even thinking about it, 121kg with 174cm is a beast.

[Method101]

Troy Alves has payed his dues. Paco is spanish etc.
Thats the diffrence sadly.

[kyomu]

Troy Alves has payed his dues. Paco is spanish etc.
Thats the diffrence sadly.

What Alves did for that exactly?

[Van_Bilderass]

Hahahahahahahhahahaha!
I want to show this to him!
He would say he wish he had that much money and good promised future which motivate him to use them.

Either you are playing the fool or are the fool, being duped by Paco.

You are saying Paco is living in absolute poverty and has no money at all basically.

I know many guys living paycheck to paycheck using growth, bodybuilders always find a way. An IFBB Pro gym owner with no doubt good access to gear can't afford that? GTFO! I have a friend working as a bouncer in Spain using more than that.

[Stavios]

Either you are playing the fool or are the fool, being duped by Paco.

You are saying Paco is living in absolute poverty and has no money at all basically.

I know many guys living paycheck to paycheck using growth, bodybuilders always find a way. An IFBB Pro gym owner with no doubt good access to gear can't afford that? GTFO! I have a friend working as a bouncer in Spain using more than that.

that, and also the cycle I posted wasn't super expensive too

[Van_Bilderass]

that, and also the cycle I posted wasn't super expensive too

Yes, you and me both know that's not an expensive cycle by pro bb standards. Do you think Kyomu is playing stupid or what? I can't really tell. 

[Stavios]

Yes, you and me both know that's not an expensive cycle by pro bb standards. Do you think Kyomu is playing stupid or what? I can't really tell. 

Maybe Paco just lies to him.

Honnestly,  I can understand some pros are hyper responders.
but hyper responders I know still take those type of dosages to compete at the Canadian Nationals 

so a Pro who have about 70 lbs of shredded lean muscle mass over them would AT LEAST take the same dosage even if he is a crazy super mega hyper responder !

[kyomu]

that, and also the cycle I posted wasn't super expensive too

I really cant talk about this theme in here.

Another hint,

He always say,

" I am really realistic. I cant win Mr.O never ever. Many people has fvcked up their health in front of me. And I cant do this forvever. I have my life. My life is not only bbing."

"If i could win several titles or Mr.O,I would have retired from pro."

And also, several juice head visit him each month to train them and he rejects them with strong hate.
He is really fed up with many bbers because of their talking and caring about juice all the time.
Thats why i can hang around with him and mostly we are talking about non-bodybuilding topics like Getbigers.
If you guys know him, you guys will like him a lot.

[Van_Bilderass]

Maybe Paco just lies to him.

Honnestly,  I can understand some pros are hyper responders.
but hyper responders I know still take those type of dosages to compete at the Canadian Nationals 

so a Pro who have about 70 lbs of shredded lean muscle mass over them would AT LEAST take the same dosage even if he is a crazy super mega hyper responder !

Paco was also a hyper responder to gynecomastia development. 

The point Kyomu makes about Paco never even bloating actually points to him using more drugs, instead of less IMO. You know, diuretics year round, thyroid and GH same of course, etc. No one gets that type of development along with the paper thin skin if he can't even afford a little GH. It takes a bit more than genetics and hard training.

Anyway, regardless of what he takes if Kyomu really thinks your cycle was expensive then he is in the dark in a bad way.

[Stavios]

I really cant talk about this theme in here.

Another hint,

He always say,

" I am really realistic. I cant win Mr.O never ever. Many people has fvcked up their health in front of me. And I cant do this forvever. I have my life. My life is not only bbing."

"If i could win several titles or Mr.O,I would have retired from pro."

And also, several juice head visit him each month to train them and he rejects them with strong hate.
He is really fed up with many bbers because of their talking and caring about juice all the time.
Thats why i can hang around with him and mostly we are talking about non-bodybuilding topics like Getbigers.
If you guys know him, you guys will like him a lot.

yeah I understand bro, but it's not because he doesn't like to talk about juice all the time that he takes low doses.

I never talk about juice or training in general other than on the boards, and it's a big part of my life/routine.
I just don't want to bore people with those shits.

[kyomu]

Only way to know the truth is meeting me.
And I can tell you guys.

[Stavios]

Only way to know the truth is meeting me.
And I can tell you guys.

anytime you come to montreal, I am always open for a coffey talk 

[Thin Lizzy]

 

[Stavios]

that's hard as fuck

that's how I'll look when I'll get to 180-185 lbs and start taking 2 anadrols per day   

[Van_Bilderass]

I really cant talk about this theme in here.

Another hint,

He always say,

" I am really realistic. I cant win Mr.O never ever. Many people has fvcked up their health in front of me. And I cant do this forvever. I have my life. My life is not only bbing."

"If i could win several titles or Mr.O,I would have retired from pro."

And also, several juice head visit him each month to train them and he rejects them with strong hate.
He is really fed up with many bbers because of their talking and caring about juice all the time.
Thats why i can hang around with him and mostly we are talking about non-bodybuilding topics like Getbigers.
If you guys know him, you guys will like him a lot.

So winning Mr O he would have retired? It's better to sacrifice health for really poor placing instead? It makes no sense. An O winner capitalizing on his competitive success by continuing makes more sense than competing for NOTHING, like Paco is doing. Please explain his motivation to me as I can't understand your reasoning.

I also understand the not wanting to talk about drugs all the time. Once you've sourced your own stuff and loaded and pinned your own gear each and every morning for years on end you probably get fed up with it and want to just forget about it.

[kyomu]

So winning Mr O he would have retired? It's better to sacrifice health for really poor placing instead? It makes no sense. An O winner capitalizing on his competitive success by continuing makes more sense than competing for NOTHING, like Paco is doing. Please explain his motivation to me as I can't understand your reasoning.

I also understand the not wanting to talk about drugs all the time. Once you've sourced your own stuff and loaded and pinned your own gear each and every morning for years on end you probably get fed up with it and want to just forget about it.

As you said, if you keep on losing contests and  would you keep on using high dosis of gears?
But, you keep on making money from sponsor.So You wont quit. But maybe you will find a way to establish both your health and career.

[tbombz]

Very longer than the others. I promise you.

paco looked like the definition of an all drugs bodybuilder, kyomu. someitmes you should listen to what your eyes are telling you, not what your friend has tried to get you to believe.

[kyomu]

paco looked like the definition of an all drugs bodybuilder, kyomu. someitmes you should listen to what your eyes are telling you, not what your friend has tried to get you to believe.

Yeah yeah....
I am a 39 years old a company owner which is 8 years old.
And i have done 2 business more before and met several fraud in my life.
And I have been in bbing since 1988.

And I am innocent and ignorant like small kid......according to you....

[brent2741]

paco just looks awful

[spinnis]

Yeah yeah....
I am a 39 years old a company owner which has 8 years old.
And i have done 2 business more before and met several fraud in my life.
And I have been in bbing since 1988.

And I am innocent and ignorant like small kid......according to you....

damn u almost 40? 

[nicky.smth]

that's hard as fuck

that's how I'll look when I'll get to 180-185 lbs and start taking 20 Halo's per day   

fixed bro

[kyomu]

damn u almost 40? 

Yep, And my body is strongest in my life.

[Van_Bilderass]

I just remembered that Kyomu often says you can't get ripped without insulin (strange claim IMO). Paco must be a big insulin abuser. 




Just busting you balls Kyomu