IS this guy natural or not? gh15 and others weigh in!

[kiwiol]

No one knows except himself, never mind all the judgment calls our resident "experts" are making. But if he's natural, he's in the top 1% of that category without a doubt.

I think it is possible, with the right genetics and a disciplined, consistent approach.

[Deicide]

Good arms on him in any event

[The Master]

But good genetics required for sure, no?

Yes, absolutely.

It = just like Layne Norton. He = natural, yet bigger and stronger than many juicers. Genetics + plus extremely systematic and consistent work over close to a decade (this = done by very few, most people don't do what = needed to gain muscle consistently).

Thus, the guy CAN be natural.

[Deicide]

Yes, absolutely.

It = just like Layne Norton. He = natural, yet bigger and stronger than many juicers. Genetics + plus extremely systematic and consistent work over close to a decade (this = done by very few, most people don't do what = needed to gain muscle consistently).

Thus, the guy CAN be natural.

du er en gud!

[The Master]

du er en gud!

That title belongs to only one person: Gary Busey

[Deicide]

gh15 approved

[Deicide]

That title belongs to only one person: Gary Busey

I disagree...

[The Master]

gh15 approved

Layne brings it.

Perfect example of what happens when you = very talented + run a diet practically daily for 10+ years straight while training like a madman.

[Deicide]

Layne brings it.

Perfect example of what happens when you = very talented + run a diet practically daily for 10+ years straight while training like a madman.

 

[The Master]

You big goofball

[Deicide]

You big goofball

Average genetics+that work=good results not=THOSE results=genetics are king

[The Master]

Average genetics+that work=good results not=THOSE results=genetics are king

Those "good results" will still set you apart from the average population by leaps and bounds. Put in the work Layne has put in and you'll be praised for your "good results".

(That is ..if you feel others feedback and superiority in physical attractiveness = a suitable indicator)

[Deicide]

Those "good results" will still set you apart from the average population by leaps and bounds. Put in the work Layne has put in and you'll be praised for your "good results".

(That is ..if you feel others feedback and superiority in physical attractiveness = a suitable indicator)

Realistically, what do you think I can achieve my friend?

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes, absolutely.

It = just like Layne Norton. He = natural, yet bigger and stronger than many juicers. Genetics + plus extremely systematic and consistent work over close to a decade (this = done by very few, most people don't do what = needed to gain muscle consistently).

Thus, the guy CAN be natural.

Have you used steroids?

[gh15]

Furthermore, if not, is it attainable naturally?

what are you crazy friend? this fella is on gh  on a regular basis and a good dose of aas around total of between 1-2 grams a week  mainly testosterone and fina

that is VERY hormonized which is hormonized to the max with out the capability to grow due to average genetic respond to hormones

gh15 approved

[Deicide]

what are you crazy friend? this fella is on gh  on a regular basis and a good dose of aas around total of between 1-2 grams a week  mainly testosterone and fina

that is VERY hormonized which is hormonized to the max with out the capability to grow due to average genetic respond to hormones

gh15 approved

I'm just happy this has been gh15 approved.

[SaltShaker]

Furthermore, if not, is it attainable naturally?

no way you can say if he juiced or not:

this physique can be attained by
a)Moderate amount of juice and good workout ethic
b)No juice,extreme diet,extreme dedication to workouts

[gh15]

No one knows except himself, never mind all the judgment calls our resident "experts" are making. But if he's natural, he's in the top 1% of that category without a doubt.

I think it is possible, with the right genetics and a disciplined, consistent approach.

you are so gulible it is past funny,,

[The Master]

Realistically, what do you think I can achieve my friend?

Within a year or so? You'll be lucky if you can come somewhat close to 150 pounds with good abs.

Then if you put in a few years on a real solid bulk/rip eating cycle you might come close to 160 pounds in the same condition.

If you come anywhere close to 170 pounds with pretty ripped abs during your lifetime, Debussey will be amazed... Realistically, if you dedicate yourself completely for 6-8 years or something while not experiencing too many age related fuckups in the whoremone/metabolism area, you might get between 160 and 170 pounds somewhere with abs (especially if you use creatine for a few extra pounds without getting your definition squished). Probably closer to 160 than 170..

Make no mistake, this will still be pretty good stuff, you'll crush the avg. person

[gh15]

no way you can say if he juiced or not:

this physique can be attained by
a)Moderate amount of juice and good workout ethic
b)No juice,extreme diet,extreme dedication to workouts

NONONO,,

pay attention to the abs and the water layer over them ,,,this specific thin skin with blurred definition due to watrer retention yet the ability to see the abs is a direct result of gh use!

the aas use is at moderate cycling level ,,

fella sjust dont respond well

gh15 approved

[The Master]

Have you used steroids?

Debussey = 80 pounds at 25% BF. What do you think?

[Deicide]

Within a year or so? You'll be lucky if you can come somewhat close to 150 pounds with good abs.

Then if you put in a few years on a real solid bulk/rip eating cycle you might come close to 160 pounds in the same condition.

If you come anywhere close to 170 pounds with pretty ripped abs during your lifetime, Debussey will be amazed... Realistically, if you dedicate yourself completely for 6-8 years or something while not experiencing too many age related fuckups in the whoremone/metabolism area, you might get between 160 and 170 pounds somewhere with abs (especially if you use creatine for a few extra pounds without getting your definition squished). Probably closer to 160 than 170..

Make no mistake, this will still be pretty good stuff, you'll crush the avg. person

So long term goal will be 73kg with abs...

[gh15]

correction ,,fellas looks good for fitness modeling aks mesomorph type of physiqe,,it is good physiqe but not  a competitiion winnign physiqe ,,the repond to hormones is average thus will never win a big competition,,only locals or fitness modeling if has good face too

[The Master]

So long term goal will be 73kg with abs...

If you manage to weigh 73-75 kg with good abs within 4 years, then hats off to you

(this = a challenge)

[Mars]

all these guys are hormonised to some extend