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Wide cross posting of this email is requested in its entirety, with links and PIJAC PDF attachment.
 

ACTION ALERT - FROM AFA, ASA, and NAIA, with additional information from PIJAC
 

WE NEED YOUR HELP - WHETHER YOU OWN AN "EXOTIC" ANIMAL OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL

HR 669 IS SET FOR HEARING ON 4/23/09. 

WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO KILL HR 669 NOW.
 

THE ISSUE - WHAT IS HR 669? - WHAT WILL IT DO?


"ONE GENERATION AND OUT" is not just limited to purebred dogs and cats.   Now our "non-native" species" are targets of the animal prohibitionist agenda.   Under HR 669, "non-native" basically means if a species of animal didn't live in the US before the arrival of Columbus it is "non-native", and if HR 669 passes, most non-native species of animal (i.e., exotic animals) won't remain in the US much longer.    That means your exotic pet bird, reptile, fish, or mammal.

HR 669 is a very serious and harmful animal prohibition proposal.   HR 669 is not needed to protect our environment.   HR 699 is the legislative equivalent of a nuclear bomb that is aimed at the entire US exotic pet industry, all US exotic pet owners, and all exotic animals in the US.

HR 669 is an "anti-animal bill".   There is no amendment that can fix this bill.    HR 669 will hurt everyone who owns an animal, and it will hurt our animals.   Breeder, pet owner, rescuer, rehabilitator, zoo, service or product provider - it doesn't matter - we will all be hurt by this bill.     HR 669 needs to be killed at the April 23rd hearing - not amended, not "made better" - HR 669 NEEDS TO BE KILLED.   Please contact the Representatives hearing this bill NOW and ask them to KILL HR 669 (see below for contact information).

All import, export, transport across State lines, selling, buying, bartering, or offering to sell, buy or barter, and all breeding, and release, of all non-native species not on the "approved list" will be prohibited - even by zoos, sanctuaries, and licensed breeders.    Permits authorizing only "importation" may be issued to "zoos, scientific research, medical, accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary".   There is no requirement that any permits be granted.    Even if these institutions are able to obtain the required permits, where will they obtain their imported animals?    Habitat for many species is declining worldwide, many species are endangered or threatened in the wild, and many species cannot be imported to the US under the CITES treaty.    The result of this bill will be to put a stop domestic breeding of most endangered or threatened species in the US for zoos, conservation, or reintroduction programs.  Zoos are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda.

If you "possess" a non-approved species "legally" prior to enactment of the law, you will be allowed to keep it, but all of the other restrictions pf HR 669 will still apply to your species - you will not be allowed to sell, transfer, transport across State lines, export, barter, trade, breed, or give that animal to anyone else.   

Pet owners will not be allowed to take their non-approved pets with them if they move to another state, and they will not be allowed to transfer them to anyone else who can care for them.   Those pets will be euthanized when their owners move, die, or can no longer keep their pets for whatever reason.   Pet owners and their pets are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda.

"Rescue" and "sanctuary" will not be available for any non-approved species unless the rescue or sanctuary keeps only species found within their respective States.    That result has been contemplated for years.    Rescues and Sanctuaries are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda.

Any person or company manufacturing or selling food or products for non-native (exotic) species will be affected by this act.   If non-native (exotic) species cannot be legally possessed, bought, sold, or transferred, there will be no incentive for manufacturers of food, caging, and supplies for these animals to remain in business.   Where will non-native (exotic) animal owners obtain the food and materials needed to keep their animals?

Freeflight of exotic birds will be prohibited.


THE LEGAL DETAILS OF THIS BILL


Under existing federal law, it must be shown that a species is harmful before it is prohibited.    That approach is reasonable, and has worked reasonably well for many years.    In essence, HR 669 turns that reasonable approach on its head, and substitutes the unreasonable and unjustified approach of "bomb first, ask questions later".

HR 669 requires the government to create an "approved" list of "non-native" species that will be allowed in the US.   Any species not on the "approved" list will be prohibited.   Under HR 668 the "approved" list shall include  "nonnative wildlife species that the Secretary finds ... based on scientific and commercial information .... (A) are not harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health; or (B) may be harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health, but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States."

It takes time and money for the government to study any species and make a "finding".   Time and money are always in short supply, and are especially in short supply in this economy.   If your species is not included on the original "approved list", then under HR 669 you can try to get your species "approved" by paying a fee and submitting a proposal to our government to include it on the "approved list".   Your proposal "must include sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health."     While your proposal is being "evaluated" by our government, you and your animals are still subject to the restrictions of HR 669.   Whether your proposal will ever be granted is pure speculation.

There are more than 9000 bird species, and thousands of species of birds are kept in the US.   There are many other non-native (exotic) species owned by animal lovers across the US.   How many bird or other non-native (exotic) species do you think our government can afford to study and determine that they can be added to this newly created "approved list"?   

If the required study can't be made of a species, and the required finding isn't made about a species, the animal won't make it to the approved list.    That applies to every species of non-native (exotic) animal.


WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP KILL HR 669

Contact your Representatives NOW

 1.    You can use NAIA's Capwiz tool to send an automatic email or fax to each of the Representatives who will hear this bill to ask them to KILL HR 669.     Here's the link to send your email using Capwiz:

www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/

 2.    PIJAC has provided us with a PDF flyer which explains to pet owners how HR 669 will hurt all of us and our animals.    The PIJAC PDF flyer is attached to this email.   The PIJAC PDF flyer provides you with contact information - use it.   Please contact your own Representatives NOW, and tell them to KILL HR 669.     Be polite and respectful, but be clear and firm in your opposition to this bill.    Be brief, and tell them a few reasons why you think it is a bad bill.    Short and to the point works best.   If you have time, you can also contact all of the other Representatives in your State.

Write to your Representative using their contact pages on their websites.  Unfortunately, it is sometimes hard for us to contact some of our Representatives - emails don't often go through, letters aren't read, and we sometimes have to write individually to our Representatives using the contact pages they put up on their websites.    PIJAC has done the work to give us links where needed for these contact pages for these websites so that we can make those contacts (see the attached PIJAC PDF flyer), and NAIA is making "Capwiz" available for the one-shot contact - go to the Capwiz webpage at www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/

Call and Fax your Representative at the numbers provided on the attached PDF PIJAC flyer.

Be sure to contact the local office of your own Representative by phone, and if you can, make a personal visit.    Our congressional representatives are now on recess, and will return to their work at the Capitol next week.    Let your Representatives' local offices know NOW that you want them to KILL HR 669.   If the local staff hear from enough constituents that they want a bill killed, they will let their Representatives know that their constituents hate this bill.

3.    Distribute this email, NAIA's link, and PIJAC's PDF flyer widely to everyone you know who loves animals and wants to keep them in our lives.  In particular, send it to any pet lists you are on.   This bill will impact almost all non-native animals.   Ask them to contact the representatives and ask them to KILL HR 669.

You can see PIJAC's earlier alert on HR 669 here:

http://www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf

 You can see the full text of the bill here: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h669ih.txt.pdf

 4.    If you have a website or belong to a discussion list, post this Alert and the PDF attachment.    Ask your friends to do the same.

A NOTE ALL ANIMAL OWNERS, AND ESPECIALLY TO BIRD OWNERS

Does the Pennsylvania Proposed Ban of the Nanday Conure of 2008 ring a bell for anyone?

For those bird owners who fought so hard and so well for the Nanday in Pennsylvania in 2008 - that was just target practice.


HR 669 IS THE ANIMAL PROHIBITIONIST NUCLEAR OPTION - STOP IT NOW.


 Get your phones, emails, and faxes working and get our troops marching again.    We need every one of you to help again, and we need the help of everyone you know.   It doesn't matter if they own a bird, a dog, a cat, a turtle, a hamster, a fish, a snake, a tiger, a monkey, or any other animal.    We are all affected by this bill.    Don't let the animal prohibitionists force their agenda on the rest of us.


Thanks,

Genny Wall
Attorney at Law
Legislative VP, AFA, NAIA

 Laurella Desborough
Legislative Chair, ASA, NAIA

www.afabirds.org
www.asabirds.org
www.naiaonline.org

With great thanks to Marshall Meyers of PIJAC for providing their materials and for working on behalf of all of us.

www.PIJAC.org

 
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Re: ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION - KILL HR 699 NOW‏
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2009, 05:09:01 AM »
Right when I thought I couldn't hate government any more than I already do, they manage on shocking me with even greater insanity.  What a shitty bill.

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Re: ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION - KILL HR 699 NOW‏
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2009, 07:24:36 AM »
Seriously doubt it would pass.  The President would have to be the first to take ole blue out on the back lawn of the white house & put a bullet in it's head.  The bill will get re-written to focus on more zoo type exotic animals.  Although I don't always agree with this, but there's just some people I think shouldn't own a lion in a 1,500 sq ft home.



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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2009, 10:53:33 AM »
This is another attempt by the AR zealots to ban pets and animals! 

 This bill has to be KILLED and not revised!  There are already laws in place about personally owning exotics such as the big cats and chimps and other animals are also regulated.  This is an unneeded bill that it's real goal is the demise of any animals being "owned" or as they feel "exploited by people. 

I'm sure Vet will have some things to say about this!  For some species zoos are the only thing keeping them from becoming extinct!

And while they have proposed a "grandfather" clause for those animals already in possession you will not be able to move to another state or give the animal to somebody else if you can't care for it.  So you would have to put down your animal.  What about rescues such as bird rescues that would not be able to adopt or take in any birds?  Euthanize them all?   Hamsters and gerbils - gone.  And what companies will still decide to make food for these animals that are not allowed anymore?   How profitable will that be for them when they will have a shrinking market as "grandfathered" animals die?   Or how hard will it be to find an exotic vet?  Why will a vet choose to specialize or study exotics?  Some of these animals that would be banned can live longer than a person! 

  I encourage everyone to please go to that link and let your representative know how you feel about this bill!   Maybe this will not pass, but if it does it will be a nightmare to get any revisions done to after it does!

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2009, 11:23:43 AM »
Seriously doubt it would pass.  The President would have to be the first to take ole blue out on the back lawn of the white house & put a bullet in it's head. 



Did he ever GET a dog?  The current admin. seems to have a very shady agenda.  Next they'll try to control what time we take a dump.


EDIT:  I contacted my reps.

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Re: ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - THE NUCLEAR OPTION - KILL HR 699 NOW‏
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2009, 08:16:00 AM »
(D) does not include any cat (Felis catus), cattle or oxen (Bos taurus), chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus), dog (Canis lupus familiaris), donkey or ass (Equus asinus), domesticated members of the family Anatidae (geese), duck (domesticated Anas spp.), goat (Capra aegagrus hircus), goldfish (Carassius auratus auratus), horse (Equus caballus), llama (Lama glama), mule or hinny (Equus caballus x E. asinus), pig or hog (Sus scrofa domestica), domesticated varieties of rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus), or sheep (Ovis aries), or any other species or variety of species that is determined by the Secretary to be common and clearly domesticated.

Full bill here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2009, 10:54:48 AM »
So I couldn't even have my Jack Dempseys ::)  This bill sucks.  but yahoo, I can have a goldfish...

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Re: BUMP VET!! COMMENTSs!!!! ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - KILL HR 699 NOW‏
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2009, 05:47:25 PM »

  *bump for Vet*
   If anyone sees him on another board please tell him flower is looking for his comments!!   :)

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Re: BUMP VET!! COMMENTSs!!!! ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - KILL HR 699 NOW‏
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 11:21:06 AM »

  *bump for Vet*
   If anyone sees him on another board please tell him flower is looking for his comments!!   :)

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Whats weird is its really not getting much attention in the veterinary community.....



Edit:  Ok, my first post was a knee jerk reaction.  I just read the bill in its entirity----unfortunately there is a semblance of common sense to it.  Invasive wildlife species---ie animals that have escaped or intentionally been released are an emerging problem in certian parts of the US.  Quaker parrots are one of the flagship species, along with certian reptile species in Florida.  The true risk of these species to native wildlife is unknwon in the US, but in other countries there are species that have gone extinct as a result of introduced species.  The spread of disease---like the TB outbreak in Michigan in whitetailed deer right now--  is something that has to be monitored for human and livestock health. 

Overall the bill is well written.  It doesn't really address captive breeding, which is a huge deal with many of these species.  Inadvertantly it will prevent capture for the pet trade from driving certian species in the wild to extinction--this is happening with several of them unfortunately--and force more captive breeding.  It also doesn't really address animals that are "nonnative" but "captive bred". 


I'm going to reread it later when I've got a bit more time.   I think its a bill we all need to monitor very closely.   I am taking back what I initially said about stopping it.    This needs to be thought out more carefully. 

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 11:22:19 AM »
Seriously doubt it would pass.  The President would have to be the first to take ole blue out on the back lawn of the white house & put a bullet in it's head.  The bill will get re-written to focus on more zoo type exotic animals.  Although I don't always agree with this, but there's just some people I think shouldn't own a lion in a 1,500 sq ft home.




Kenny, bans like this won't work.  We both know that.   


I think taking the attitude of "it won't pass" may not be the right one.  The implications from this are HUGE. 

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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 11:03:50 AM »
Quaker colonies have never been shown to have much impact and the colonies usually don't venture far from their home territory which are usually not around crop areas.  And they are a parrot that is regulated or outright illegal in some states.   

  Basically if the animal is not native to your state it will be illegal.  Lizards, snakes, birds, spiders, etc.  Sorry!  Maybe your pet will be native in another state and you can go live there! 

 And like I said Vet, what vets will even want to specialize in exotics with only "grandfathered" animals around if this passes?  Or pet food companies make food for them?   Or shelters, can't take in, can't adopt out, death to them all?    You going to be able to get animals in for the Zoo?   Sounds like it could be up to the individual states to allow or disallow whatever they feel like. 

Seems to me that their already is in place regulations and bans on certain animals.  This bill is not based on anything scientific and is an attempt by the AR to shut down rights to have pets.  They pass this it is phase one for them.  They shouldn't be making such a widespread ban, it should be done on a case by case basis with information to back it up.   If this passes you know it will take forever, if not longer to change it.    They have been fighting to make ferrets legal in CA for years!  Despite the fact that in all the other states no feral colonies have EVER been formed, and that unless breeding people alter their ferrets (ones in the pet store all ready are altered) so even if a few got out they couldn't breed even if they some how survived and managed to locate the other escaped ferret.   You want your Avian Certification?    Why bother if this goes through?
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Re: VET!! COMMENTS!!!! ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - KILL HR 699 NOW‏
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 12:57:59 PM »
I think this sums up pretty well what the impact would be:

  http://www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf


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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 02:34:12 PM »
Quaker colonies have never been shown to have much impact and the colonies usually don't venture far from their home territory which are usually not around crop areas.  And they are a parrot that is regulated or outright illegal in some states.   

  Basically if the animal is not native to your state it will be illegal.  Lizards, snakes, birds, spiders, etc.  Sorry!  Maybe your pet will be native in another state and you can go live there! 

 And like I said Vet, what vets will even want to specialize in exotics with only "grandfathered" animals around if this passes?  Or pet food companies make food for them?   Or shelters, can't take in, can't adopt out, death to them all?    You going to be able to get animals in for the Zoo?   Sounds like it could be up to the individual states to allow or disallow whatever they feel like. 

Seems to me that their already is in place regulations and bans on certain animals.  This bill is not based on anything scientific and is an attempt by the AR to shut down rights to have pets.  They pass this it is phase one for them.  They shouldn't be making such a widespread ban, it should be done on a case by case basis with information to back it up.   If this passes you know it will take forever, if not longer to change it.    They have been fighting to make ferrets legal in CA for years!  Despite the fact that in all the other states no feral colonies have EVER been formed, and that unless breeding people alter their ferrets (ones in the pet store all ready are altered) so even if a few got out they couldn't breed even if they some how survived and managed to locate the other escaped ferret.   You want your Avian Certification?    Why bother if this goes through?
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Like I said before, this thing needs to be monitored very, very closely.   


The Association of Avian Veterinarians has taken an official stance against this bill for the reasons that Flower is stating. 

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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2009, 02:48:44 PM »
This is the website that veterinarians are being referred to:

http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/issues/alert/?alertid=13098456

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Re: VET!! COMMENTS!!!! ACTION ALERT - HR 669 - KILL HR 699 NOW‏
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 01:20:28 PM »
Listen Live to the vote on HR 669 tomorrow (Thurs) 10amEST:


http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=273&Itemid




 btw, I believe the initiator of this bill is from Guam and 10 other supporters are also not in the states!!! 

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2009, 01:23:33 PM »
death to Guam!

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2009, 12:33:49 PM »
A blog that caught most of what happened (was written in real time).

 http://www.pethobbyist.com/sitenews/index.php?/archives/333-Liveblogging-Congressional-hearing-on-H.-R.-669.html


bottom line result of this meeting:


 The hearing record is being held open for ten days for responses.


So people keep sending in your vote of NO!!!

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2009, 03:13:25 PM »
Listen Live to the vote on HR 669 tomorrow (Thurs) 10amEST:


http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=273&Itemid




 btw, I believe the initiator of this bill is from Guam and 10 other supporters are also not in the states!!! 


Yup, thats my understanding also. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 05:23:36 PM »
Has anyone received a letter from their congressman on this issue?

I received one, however, he's not stating his position in this letter  ::) although the undertones are that he supports it.


He just says "some of my constituents have expressed support for H.R. 669...."be assured, I will keep your thoughts in mind should H.R. 669, or any relevant legislation, reach the floor of the H/R for a vote."
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2009, 06:19:42 AM »
Has anyone received a letter from their congressman on this issue?

I received one, however, he's not stating his position in this letter  ::) although the undertones are that he supports it.


He just says "some of my constituents have expressed support for H.R. 669...."be assured, I will keep your thoughts in mind should H.R. 669, or any relevant legislation, reach the floor of the H/R for a vote."

One of mine wrote back and didn't even mention the bill....total form letter.
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