Guy was a beast, a short guy with width through the back. No long torso like Priest and short lats. The guy only lacked a little height and calves 2 to 3 inches taller and i think he could have won an Olympia he was that good, seemed to just lose a little in the line up as he was quite short, but standing on his own his density was Yates like and also possessed overall hardness throughout all body parts something a lot of guys couldn't match, he was a standout in the ifbb worlds amateurs as well.