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So when Patraeus backs the Bush plan, he's an independent military voice without political influence.  When he does it for Obama, he's just keeping the boss happy, right? ???



Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

General David Petraeus said this past weekend that President Obama's decision to close down Gitmo and end harsh interrogation techniques would benefit the United States in the broader war on terror.

In an appearance on Radio Free Europe Sunday, the man hailed by conservatives as the preeminent military figure of his generation left little room for doubt about where he stands on some of Obama's most contentious policies.

"I think, on balance, that those moves help ," said the chief of U.S. Central Command. "In fact, I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention. And as a division commander in Iraq in the early days, we put out guidance very early on to make sure that our soldiers, in fact, knew that we needed to stay within those guidelines.

"With respect to Guantanamo," Petraeus added, "I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice -- I talked to the Attorney General the other day they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary -- again, how to take that forward. But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees."

The remarks appear to be the first from Petraeus since the closure of Guantanamo and Bush Administration use of enhanced interrogation techniques became hot-button partisan issues. They couldn't come at a better time for Obama. The president has found himself under intense political heat after the United States Senate soundly rejected his request for funds to shut down the prison. Dueling speeches between Obama and Cheney this past Thursday, moreover, did little to tamp down the controversy over the president's release of memos depicting the legal authorization fro the use of torture.


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Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 09:17:37 AM »





                     
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Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close Gitmo, End Torture
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 10:46:37 AM »
Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close Gitmo, End Torture
by Sam Stein

General David Petraeus said this past weekend that President Obama's decision to close down Gitmo and end harsh interrogation techniques would benefit the United States in the broader war on terror.

In an appearance on Radio Free Europe on Sunday, the man hailed by conservatives as the preeminent military figure of his generation left little room for doubt about where he stands on some of Obama's most contentious policies.

"I think, on balance, that those moves help [us]," said the chief of U.S. Central Command. "In fact, I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention. And as a division commander in Iraq in the early days, we put out guidance very early on to make sure that our soldiers, in fact, knew that we needed to stay within those guidelines.

"With respect to Guantanamo," Petraeus added, "I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice -- I talked to the Attorney General the other day [and] they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary -- again, how to take that forward. But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees."

The remarks appear to be the first from Petraeus since the closure of Guantanamo and Bush Administration use of enhanced interrogation techniques became hot-button partisan issues. They couldn't come at a better time for Obama. The president has found himself under intense political heat after the United States Senate soundly rejected his request for funds to shut down the prison. Dueling speeches between Obama and Cheney this past Thursday, moreover, did little to tamp down the controversy over the president's release of memos depicting the legal authorization fro the use of torture.

The president got a boost on Sunday when former Secretary of State Colin Powell came to his defense on both subjects. In conducting his RFE interview, Petraeus became the second figure who garners far more respect and popularity among Republicans than Cheney to offer his backing for Obama's national security plans.
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Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close Gitmo, End Torture
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 11:05:45 AM »
Damn near every Military man I can think of things Gitmo should be closed... Everyone excepet the right wing...

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 05:22:01 PM »
Yeah...what exactly did u think he's say. Look at what he said as well....his soldiers, guidlines...not CIA.  P4 isn't an idiot. U lib douchebags would vomit if u knew all the stuff that Obama's (read that P4's) pick, Stan McCrystal, did in Iraq. I guess Barry realy doesn;t have an issue with it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 05:23:12 PM »
so.... patraeus is right here, HH6?

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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 05:49:26 PM »
Yeah...what exactly did u think he's say. Look at what he said as well....his soldiers, guidlines...not CIA.  P4 isn't an idiot. U lib douchebags would vomit if u knew all the stuff that Obama's (read that P4's) pick, Stan McCrystal, did in Iraq. I guess Barry realy doesn;t have an issue with it.

Most people know much worse thing have been going on for decades but this was just the first time it got out in the open...things will continue as business as usual, don't worry HH6.
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Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close Gitmo, End Torture
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 07:01:13 PM »
No matter what Obama says or does the right wing just trys destroying him... Colin Powell... getting destroyed... how much ya wanna bet Petraeus gets hammered by Rush and "the Dick"

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 07:05:04 PM »
No matter what Obama says or does the right wing just trys destroying him... Colin Powell... getting destroyed... how much ya wanna bet Petraeus gets hammered by Rush and "the Dick"

Meanwhile your hero is escalating a conflict in Afghanistan which is spreading over to Pakistan. Business as usual=dems and repubs=identical on foreign policy... :-X
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 07:17:25 PM »
No matter what Obama says or does the right wing just trys destroying him... Colin Powell... getting destroyed... how much ya wanna bet Petraeus gets hammered by Rush and "the Dick"

Yes, Obama is just as much as a warmonger as everyone else. Change we can believe in. :-X
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Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close Gitmo, End Torture
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 07:36:47 PM »
so.... patraeus is right here, HH6?


P4 is doing his job...I put more faith in a lump of his shit then anything that Barry will ever say or do.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 07:38:38 PM »

P4 is doing his job...I put more faith in a lump of his shit then anything that Barry will ever say or do.

I remember repubs citing Patraeus' analysis of the war, surge, etc as infallible.  it was gospel.  It was treasonous to question him.  he was above reproach.  He was above politics.  He was a neutral expert, and his analysis and recomendations were correct.

I just wanted to make sure he has that same cred now as well.  I remember you saying something about admiral mullin just keeping the boss happy yesterday, and that contradicted the respect you gave patraeus.

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Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2009, 07:39:44 PM »
No...he was doing his job both times. However the Surge was all his. Many in the military didn't think it would work. Don't worry Mons, P4 is another guy that would think ur full of shit as well.
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Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close Gitmo, End Torture
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 07:41:27 PM »
No I didn't, what exactly do u think P4 was going to say. If Obama says its US policy to close Gitmo, P4 has to get on board or resign. Its not P4's policy, its Obama's. The Surge was tied to P4, with backing from Bush...but it was his baby. Its not the same.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 07:48:19 PM »
No I didn't, what exactly do u think P4 was going to say. If Obama says its US policy to close Gitmo, P4 has to get on board or resign. Its not P4's policy, its Obama's. The Surge was tied to P4, with backing from Bush...but it was his baby. Its not the same.


See, I took this to mean the military says what the prez tells them to say:

I'd Admiral Richard Mullen...and I oppose closing Gitmo...Really Dick, U really want to keep it open. Yes Barry u shitbag appeasing liberal douchbag....well Dick I'm gonna have to fire u...Oh Barry, ur right of course, close Gitmo now.

What exactly is he supposed to say. 


Yeah..thats how it works. U do it or resign at that level.

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2009, 07:50:58 PM »
Damn near every Military man I can think of things Gitmo should be closed... Everyone excepet the right wing...
And how many that you know have worked there?  I've known guys who worked interrogations at places including Gitmo.  They don't think it should be closed.

After reading about Generals like Franks and Petraeus, I really question leadership.  Good thing the CIA can do without them, for the most part.  Tommy Franks fucked up the initial workings post 9-11.  HH6 is right about McChrystal's reputation though.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2009, 07:55:07 PM »
Further, the Surge and the events surrounding it are faily uncommon in military history in general but the US military has produced guys coupled with events that produce dynamic and amazing results. The douchebags on here will say that the US simply bought off the insurgents. Not true. The US Marines started it in Al Anbar after the locals became sick of all the killing. In order to export it country wide and make it stick, P4 had to devise an all encompassing strategy. That did include money to buy off the home grown insurgents, or employ them. It has worked to this day. The bottom line is peace in Iraq and the pull-out of US Troops.


240...If Bush invented the Surge..P4 would have to back it or resign. If he back its, he backs it and says so....unity of command/one voice.  If Obama says close Gitmo, and P4 wants to keep his job, he says so. Powell didn't believe there were WMD's. He fought not to invade Iraq, much like he did not want to fight the Gulf War...but its done behind closed doors. P4 has to parrot US policy, thats how it works. I find it funny that Obama appoints Stan McCrystal. Stan's guys in Iraq did anything and everything to defeat AQI. So P4 really can't mind torture or gitmo or waterboarding..or making up fake spokesman..or planting articles in the NYT's or a million other things JSOC did to defeat AQI.
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Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close Gitmo, End Torture
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2009, 09:03:41 PM »
Meanwhile your hero is escalating a conflict in Afghanistan which is spreading over to Pakistan. Business as usual=dems and repubs=identical on foreign policy... :-X

Notice how you post goes unanswered....

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2009, 09:58:05 PM »
Notice how you post goes unanswered....
There was no question. Just a moron's opinion, numb nut.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2009, 10:35:54 PM »
Meanwhile your hero is escalating a conflict in Afghanistan which is spreading over to Pakistan.

It has always been spreading over into Afghanistan. Throughout the entire Bush admin, Obama has been consistant with his position that Afghanistan has been neglected to the detriment of all concerned. Even when he was running in the Dem primaries he spoke of the focus needing to be on Afghan before it was too late. Bush kept everyone's eyes on Iraq, while the poop was hitting the fan in Afghan and spilling over into Pakistan, and Bush kept funneling the money to Musharef<sp> even though he was basically taking US taxpayer money and playing footsies with and allowing the Taliban a haven. Wake Up. The problem in Pakistan didn't start within the last 100 days... the Bush admin has been funding & cultivating it for the past 8 years.

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2009, 10:54:10 PM »
It has always been spreading over into Afghanistan. Throughout the entire Bush admin, Obama has been consistant with his position that Afghanistan has been neglected to the detriment of all concerned. Even when he was running in the Dem primaries he spoke of the focus needing to be on Afghan before it was too late. Bush kept everyone's eyes on Iraq, while the poop was hitting the fan in Afghan and spilling over into Pakistan, and Bush kept funneling the money to Musharef<sp> even though he was basically taking US taxpayer money and playing footsies with and allowing the Taliban a haven. Wake Up. The problem in Pakistan didn't start within the last 100 days... the Bush admin has been funding & cultivating it for the past 8 years.

Remember this precious gem from the Oct 2, 2006 issue of Newsweek.
For some reason they wanted to treat Americans like mushrooms.  :-\
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2009, 12:26:17 AM »
There was no question. Just a moron's opinion, numb nut.



Someone can answer to an opinion fvckface.


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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2009, 12:50:16 AM »
It has always been spreading over into Afghanistan. Throughout the entire Bush admin, Obama has been consistant with his position that Afghanistan has been neglected to the detriment of all concerned. Even when he was running in the Dem primaries he spoke of the focus needing to be on Afghan before it was too late. Bush kept everyone's eyes on Iraq, while the poop was hitting the fan in Afghan and spilling over into Pakistan, and Bush kept funneling the money to Musharef<sp> even though he was basically taking US taxpayer money and playing footsies with and allowing the Taliban a haven. Wake Up. The problem in Pakistan didn't start within the last 100 days... the Bush admin has been funding & cultivating it for the past 8 years.

Remember this precious gem from the Oct 2, 2006 issue of Newsweek.
For some reason they wanted to treat Americans like mushrooms.  :-\

In the end this will all just be a waste of money and lives.

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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2009, 01:04:45 AM »


Someone can answer to an opinion fvckface.


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In the end this will all just be a waste of money and lives.
Attempting to eradicate terrorists setting up camp to plot ways to kill Americans is a waste of money and lives? Thank God we'll never have such moronic thinking occupying the Oval Office.
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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2009, 02:46:42 AM »
It has always been spreading over into Afghanistan. Throughout the entire Bush admin, Obama has been consistant with his position that Afghanistan has been neglected to the detriment of all concerned. Even when he was running in the Dem primaries he spoke of the focus needing to be on Afghan before it was too late. Bush kept everyone's eyes on Iraq, while the poop was hitting the fan in Afghan and spilling over into Pakistan, and Bush kept funneling the money to Musharef<sp> even though he was basically taking US taxpayer money and playing footsies with and allowing the Taliban a haven. Wake Up. The problem in Pakistan didn't start within the last 100 days... the Bush admin has been funding & cultivating it for the past 8 years.

Remember this precious gem from the Oct 2, 2006 issue of Newsweek.
For some reason they wanted to treat Americans like mushrooms.  :-\

Afghanistan is lost and always has been. Never in over two thousands years has a foreign occupying force been successful in conquering it. These people will fight us FOREVER and their battle lust and zeal are limitless, add the topography of the country to it and you have a lose/lose situation.
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