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BUT, the 18,000 couples who got married here while it was legal will remain married under the laws of the state.

While I do believe there's a role for the courts in affecting social change, I want this particular battle won at the ballot box (and it will be), the message being that people - regardless of their beliefs - really ought to mind their own fucking business.

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SAN FRANCISCO – The California Supreme Court upheld a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage Tuesday, but it also decided that the estimated 18,000 gay couples who tied the knot before the law took effect will stay wed.

The 6-1 decision written by Chief Justice Ron George rejected an argument by gay rights activists that the ban revised the California constitution's equal protection clause to such a dramatic degree that it first needed the Legislature's approval.

The court said the people have a right, through the ballot box, to change their constitution.

"In a sense, petitioners' and the attorney general's complaint is that it is just too easy to amend the California constitution through the initiative process. But it is not a proper function of this court to curtail that process; we are constitutionally bound to uphold it," the ruling said.

The announcement of the decision set off an outcry among a sea of demonstrators who had gathered in front of the San Francisco courthouse awaiting the ruling. Holding signs and many waving rainbow flags, they chanted "shame on you." Many people also held hands in a chain around an intersection in an act of protest.

Gay rights activists immediately promised to resume their fight, saying they would go back to voters as early as next year in a bid to repeal Proposition 8.

The split decision provided some relief for the 18,000 gay couples who married in the brief time same-sex marriage was legal last year but that wasn't enough to dull the anger over the ruling that banned gay marriage.

"It's not about whether we get to stay married. Our fight is far from over," said Jeannie Rizzo, 62, who was one of the lead plaintiffs along with her wife, Polly Cooper. "I have about 20 years left on this earth, and I'm going to continue to fight for equality every day."

The state Supreme Court had ruled last May that it was unconstitutional to deny gay couples the right to wed. Many same-sex couples had rushed to get married before the November vote on Proposition 8, fearing it could be passed. When it was, gay rights activists went back to the court arguing that the ban was improperly put to voters.

That was the issue justices decided Tuesday.

"After comparing this initiative measure to the many other constitutional changes that have been reviewed and evaluated in numerous prior decisions of this court, we conclude Proposition 8 constitutes a constitutional amendment rather than a constitutional revision," the ruling said.

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 10:36:53 AM »
BUT, the 18,000 couples who got married here while it was legal will remain married under the laws of the state.

While I do believe there's a role for the courts in affecting social change, I want this particular battle won at the ballot box (and it will be), the message being that people - regardless of their beliefs - really ought to mind their own fucking business.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090526/ap_on_re_us/us_gay_marriage

SAN FRANCISCO – The California Supreme Court upheld a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage Tuesday, but it also decided that the estimated 18,000 gay couples who tied the knot before the law took effect will stay wed.

The 6-1 decision written by Chief Justice Ron George rejected an argument by gay rights activists that the ban revised the California constitution's equal protection clause to such a dramatic degree that it first needed the Legislature's approval.

The court said the people have a right, through the ballot box, to change their constitution.

"In a sense, petitioners' and the attorney general's complaint is that it is just too easy to amend the California constitution through the initiative process. But it is not a proper function of this court to curtail that process; we are constitutionally bound to uphold it," the ruling said.

The announcement of the decision set off an outcry among a sea of demonstrators who had gathered in front of the San Francisco courthouse awaiting the ruling. Holding signs and many waving rainbow flags, they chanted "shame on you." Many people also held hands in a chain around an intersection in an act of protest.

Gay rights activists immediately promised to resume their fight, saying they would go back to voters as early as next year in a bid to repeal Proposition 8.

The split decision provided some relief for the 18,000 gay couples who married in the brief time same-sex marriage was legal last year but that wasn't enough to dull the anger over the ruling that banned gay marriage.

"It's not about whether we get to stay married. Our fight is far from over," said Jeannie Rizzo, 62, who was one of the lead plaintiffs along with her wife, Polly Cooper. "I have about 20 years left on this earth, and I'm going to continue to fight for equality every day."

The state Supreme Court had ruled last May that it was unconstitutional to deny gay couples the right to wed. Many same-sex couples had rushed to get married before the November vote on Proposition 8, fearing it could be passed. When it was, gay rights activists went back to the court arguing that the ban was improperly put to voters.

That was the issue justices decided Tuesday.

"After comparing this initiative measure to the many other constitutional changes that have been reviewed and evaluated in numerous prior decisions of this court, we conclude Proposition 8 constitutes a constitutional amendment rather than a constitutional revision," the ruling said.

End all marriage welfare, both gay and straight.
I hate the State.

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 10:38:22 AM »
the people have voted and the queers just need to shut the fck up and live with the decision

i didn't vote for barry but i'm living with the voter's decision

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 10:38:58 AM »
End all marriage welfare, both gay and straight.

Good point. 

I haven't decided whether to break out my swords or my velvet mitts for this next round, though.  I was pretty hardcore the first time around, but maybe I could be more gentle...and that would make the haters feel even more stupid, my ultimate goal.  ;D

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 10:40:54 AM »
the people have voted and the queers just need to shut the fck up and live with the decision

i didn't vote for barry but i'm living with the voter's decision

They are 'living with the decision'.  There's no evidence that same-gender couples have been granted any marriage licenses in California since the ban took effect. 

That does, however, beg the question....'what is gender?'

The people can and will vote again.

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 10:43:16 AM »

That does, however, beg the question....'what is gender?'

You should have figured this out by the time you were five years old, Tre.  ::)
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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 10:57:16 AM »
gay marriage is heresy, heretics end burn

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 10:59:02 AM »
At least your marriage is safe, Tre. :)

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 11:00:35 AM »
You should have figured this out by the time you were five years old, Tre.  ::)

I can make the argument that genotype determines gender, but someone else could make the argument that an individual's gender identity is self-determined. 

The fact that it's legal to 'transition' from male-to-female or female-to-male means that the definitions really aren't as clear-cut as some people might like them to be. 

At least your marriage is safe, Tre. :)

Don't I wish! 

Funny story - was talking to my friend this morning about the situation and he said 'you really need to divorce her'.  Why is that funny?

We've been divorced since 2004 and she's still all up in my shit.   lol

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 11:04:53 AM »
The people have spoken, Tre.

Stop joining every cause opposed by the Mormons and get back to schmoing. :)

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 11:06:04 AM »
Why the hell are you distributing news for homosexuals? What kind of "man" are you, Tre?

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 11:11:55 AM »
Why the hell are you distributing news for homosexuals? What kind of "man" are you, Tre?

Oh, this is easy!

A real 'man' stands for justice.  Most males in America are pussies, which is why they won't stand for equality. (most Americans are opposed to 'gay marriage' for one reason or another)

All tax-paying Americans should enjoy the same rights, privileges, and protections under the law. 

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2009, 11:21:09 AM »
same rights under the law?  when this country was founded a marriage was between a man and a woman.   not fags and dikes

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 11:21:18 AM »
The people have spoken, Tre.

Stop joining every cause opposed by the Mormons and get back to schmoing. :)

I'm just getting started.  Weak people were placed on this earth for my amusement. 

Schmoin' is a habit...get like me! 

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 11:22:02 AM »
same rights under the law?  when this country was founded a marriage was between a man and a woman.   not fags and dikes

Then set up a separate tax bracket for them. 

Or eliminate 'marriage welfare' altogether.

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2009, 11:24:25 AM »
I can make the argument that genotype determines gender, but someone else could make the argument that an individual's gender identity is self-determined. 

The fact that it's legal to 'transition' from male-to-female or female-to-male means that the definitions really aren't as clear-cut as some people might like them to be. 



and then you have to wonder about males who were dht deficient during development, and females who were androgen sensitive during development.... ect etc etc..




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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2009, 11:40:53 AM »
Hell, next thing you know people will want to marry
their dogs! 
Most are all show no go!

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2009, 11:44:29 AM »
Hell, next thing you know people will want to marry
their dogs! 

and its our job to tell them no...yeah i know i have nothing to do with it...but still no...because i personally dont like it... ::)

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2009, 11:47:51 AM »
Hell, next thing you know people will want to marry their dogs! 

when the dog is able to give an informed consent, then we can talk about it.

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2009, 11:48:59 AM »
when the dog is able to give an informed consent, then we can talk about it.


I hope im dead by the time a dog can talk

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2009, 11:51:19 AM »
I hope im dead by the time a dog can talk

sheep is what you need to be worried about

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2009, 11:52:08 AM »
sheep is what you need to be worried about
sheep cant talk.....can they

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2009, 12:01:32 PM »
You should have figured this out by the time you were five years old, Tre.  ::)
Gender is a socio-cultural construct and is different from sexe.

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2009, 12:02:52 PM »
Hell, next thing you know people will want to marry
their dogs! 

You fail at analogies, and at humour.

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Re: California Supreme Court votes 6-1 to uphold gay marriage ban
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2009, 12:12:04 PM »
Gender is a socio-cultural construct and is different from sexe.
And all societies have a pre-existing socio-cultural construct. Are you suggesting the term "gender" is indefinable?
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