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Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« on: May 28, 2009, 08:14:13 PM »
My first thought was the judge is wrong, but . . . what's the difference between "DNA" and fingerprints? 

Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
U.S. District Court Judge Gregory G. Hollows upheld the DNA Fingerprint Act, a 2006 law which allows federal law enforcement officials to collect DNA from individuals "arrested, facing charges, or convicted" of federal offenses. 
By Mosheh Oinounou

FOXNews.com

Thursday, May 28, 2009

A California federal judge ruled Thursday that mandatory DNA collection for all individuals facing federal felony charges is constitutional, dealing a setback to civil liberties advocates.

U.S. District Court Judge Gregory G. Hollows upheld the DNA Fingerprint Act, a 2006 law which allows federal law enforcement officials to collect DNA from individuals "arrested, facing charges, or convicted" of federal offenses.

Previously, states throughout the country had a variety of different laws on the books regarding DNA collection---with most mandating testing only after a suspect had been convicted of a crime.

"The court holds that after a judicial or grand jury determination of probable cause has been made for felony criminal charges against a defendant, no Fourth Amendment or other Constitutional violation is caused by a universal requirement that a charged defendant in a felony case undergo a 'swab test,' or a blood test when necessary, for the purposes of DNA analysis to be used solely for criminal law enforcement, identification purposes," Judge Hollows wrote in his ruling.

Federal officials hailed the decision as a victory for law enforcement.

"We are very gratified with the ruling. DNA evidence has proved invaluable in both solving crimes and exonerating the innocent," said Acting United States Attorney Lawrence G. Brown.

At issue was the case of Jerry Albert Pool, a California man arrested in January for possession of child pornography. After his arrest, he refused to submit to a DNA test on the grounds that it violated his fourth amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure.

Hollows wrote that any individuals arrested upon probable cause has a "diminished expectation of privacy in his own identity." He added that DNA fingerprinting is a natural "technological progression" from the use of fingerprinting and photographs currently apart of the routine booking process.

But American Civil Liberties Union officials called Thursday's ruling "an incredible threat to civil liberties."

"We think this ruling is incorrect. It ignores the presumption of innocence and it does not pay enough attention to the protections of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution," said Michael Risher, staff attorney with the ACLU of Northern California.

While the ACLU is not a party to the ongoing litigation, Risher says the organization is very concerned about the government creating a giant DNA database and using this law to falsely arrest individuals solely to obtain their DNA.

"This gives the police an enormous incentive if they are interested in somebody to simply arrest that person on pre-textual charges in order to get a DNA sample from them," he said.

"There is simply an enormous amount of information stored in our DNA," he added. "We don't know what the limits of that information are. What we do know is that technology is advancing and claims at least are being made that researchers can mine our DNA for an enormous amount of personal information about us."

In the ruling, however, Hollows said that increased DNA collection will actually "help to exculpate" individuals who were wrongfully convicted and said the 2006 law has adequate built-in protections to ensure that the DNA samples will not be improperly used.

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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 09:29:19 PM »
I don't think it should be permitted, ...especially against those who are merely "suspects".
If you're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, this forces innocent individuals to give up their right to privacy, ...not to mention one's right to not incriminate oneself? Besides, one's genetic composition is their own business.  I can see jurys being biased and more inclined to convict based on the fact that the guy has an extra Y chromosome.
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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 10:53:37 PM »
How is obtaining DNA any more of an infringement than obtaining fingerprints ? 

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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 10:57:09 PM »
How is obtaining DNA any more of an infringement than obtaining fingerprints ? 

Fingerprints don't reveal who your Daddy is, ...genetic abnormalities or pre-dispositions.
At the point of collection, ...they are only suspects. Their peculiar genetic mutations are nobodies business.
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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 11:02:07 PM »
My first thought was the judge is wrong, but . . . what's the difference between "DNA" and fingerprints? 

For suspects?  BAAAA... no good...

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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 11:02:07 PM »
Fingerprints don't reveal who your Daddy is, ...genetic abnormalities or pre-dispositions.
At the point of collection, ...they are only suspects. Their peculiar genetic mutations are nobodies business.

They get all of that from a mouth swab?  IF that kind of information has been collected then yes I see a distinction between fingerprints and DNA. 

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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 11:10:54 PM »
How is obtaining DNA any more of an infringement than obtaining fingerprints ? 
fingerpints don't say anything about you other than they belong to you.  It's a whole nother ball game with DNA.  Besides, what I don't get anyway is if there is good reason to suspect someone, won't the judge issue a warrant for it?  And if they don't, they still get it.  Some investigator follows them and by noon has a cup they drank from or whatever.  This is stupid because now they'll just DNA check every last person as a suspect.  Someone gets murdered where you work, they'll just call everyone suspects and swab everyone.  My worry is what they do with this DNA.  I know you'll say I'm paranoid but I think they would love to have everyone's DNA on file.  Reminds me of Gattica.  I just think there are to many unknowns down the road to support this kind of stuff.

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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 11:16:47 PM »
They get all of that from a mouth swab?  IF that kind of information has been collected then yes I see a distinction between fingerprints and DNA. 
Not only that but with each year that goes by they are able to tell and do so much more with DNA.  New discoveries are constant with this stuff.  If the path is ok'd today, what will this intrusion be in the future.  Nobody knows but it could easily be bad and for suspects?  I don't care much about someone who is guilty of a nasty crime but most suspects are not guilty.

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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 11:31:05 PM »
Not only that but with each year that goes by they are able to tell and do so much more with DNA.  New discoveries are constant with this stuff.  If the path is ok'd today, what will this intrusion be in the future.  Nobody knows but it could easily be bad and for suspects?  I don't care much about someone who is guilty of a nasty crime but most suspects are not guilty.

Absolutely!  It's bad enough we see people's private medical records being used to deny them access to various forms of insurance, I can see people being denied benefits, job promotions, or even employment because of a genetic pre-disposition or susceptibility to various ailments. ie: why hire this person, train him/her, promote him/her within the organization etc., if s/he might develop cancer in 10 years.

It's not a stupid argument, and the precedent has long ago been set with women.

Employers frequently overlooked hiring women because of their genetic susceptiblity towards pregnancy.
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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2009, 11:32:13 PM »
fingerpints don't say anything about you other than they belong to you.  It's a whole nother ball game with DNA.  Besides, what I don't get anyway is if there is good reason to suspect someone, won't the judge issue a warrant for it?  And if they don't, they still get it.  Some investigator follows them and by noon has a cup they drank from or whatever.  This is stupid because now they'll just DNA check every last person as a suspect.  Someone gets murdered where you work, they'll just call everyone suspects and swab everyone.  My worry is what they do with this DNA.  I know you'll say I'm paranoid but I think they would love to have everyone's DNA on file.  Reminds me of Gattica.  I just think there are to many unknowns down the road to support this kind of stuff.

Yeah.  I agree.  This is a can of worms. 

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Re: Judge Upholds Mandatory DNA Testing for Felony Suspects
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2009, 11:33:57 PM »
Yeah.  I agree.  This is a can of worms. 

Just like warrantless wiretaps, and warrantless searches.
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