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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2009, 01:33:13 PM »
With the exception of GX and 333386, a lot of you need to study the facts of history a little more.

Many also dont know that Patton's lineage goes back to the revolutionary war and almost every generation had men who fought. 

Also, Patton got noticed originally before WW1 when he went to Mexico and killed two of Santa Anna's men and tied them up on the hood of  a car and delivered them to Pershing. 

Patton also was shot in the leg (or butt) during WW1 and actually saw Macarthur running forward under fire. 

Most people dont realize also that Patton originally failed out of west point the first year, attended VMI for a year, and then went to West Point. 

I have read every book available on the man.     

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2009, 01:37:12 PM »
For those who fantasize about the US 'wiping out' the russians post-May 1945:

1. The US was just about broke by that time.
2. Public sentiment was turning against further war after 400,000 dead
3. Consider supply lines. Consider that Germany was a lot closer to Moscow than the US was, and still failed.
4. Patton died in soon after VE day in 1945.

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2009, 03:36:17 PM »
For those who fantasize about the US 'wiping out' the russians post-May 1945:

1. The US was just about broke by that time.
2. Public sentiment was turning against further war after 400,000 dead
3. Consider supply lines. Consider that Germany was a lot closer to Moscow than the US was, and still failed.
4. Patton died in soon after VE day in 1945.


That point right there would but a big crimp in anyones plans to have Patton smash the Russians.

This topic makes for some fucking awesome arguments but the fact is that both our nations and the world, quite simply, had enough of war. Although I do wish that we heeded Churchill's call for the Allies to take Berlin. That right there would have completely altered the Cold War landscape. But maybe that would have prodded the Russians into actually going through with an invasion of Germany later down the line.

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2009, 03:40:11 PM »
A warrior-poet and philosopher king, or a war mongering gloryhound?



D.  all the above

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2009, 04:41:54 PM »
Who would have never made LTC never mind 4 stars in todays army. I worship the guy but he never would have made it.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2009, 04:44:41 PM »
Why.

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2009, 05:03:45 PM »
Because he's not a career "yes" man and doesn't give a rats ass about "PC"

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2009, 05:41:22 PM »
OzmO, you're like the George Patton of NorCal.

Will you lead our secession from the south?

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2009, 06:20:06 PM »
OzmO, you're like the George Patton of NorCal.

Will you lead our secession from the south?

I accept.     ;D

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2009, 05:12:10 AM »
Some big points from War As I Knew It:

- Patton seemed like an excellent wartime diplomat & politician, although very far removed from the fighting troops.  His dealings with the Moroccans showed an excellent ability to walk the diplomatic tightrope.  How he handled the Vichy French in Morocco was equally impressive, turning yesterday's enemy into today's ally.

- He didn't seem to bear any grudge against Bradley or Eisenhower, and his dislike of Montgomery was based on what he saw as Monty's incompetence.

- He would routinely discount protests from subordinates and insist that they press forward, in keeping with his theory of 'hold 'em by the nose & kick 'em in the ass' (this refers to a flanking tactic), although he felt that infantry lose effectiveness after 60 hours of continuous attack.  :o   He frequently mentioned that aggressive attack would save American lives in the long run.

- He seemed so far removed from the average soldiers that the highlights he provides of his direct interaction with them stick out conspicuously.  However, when discussing the error of micromanagement, two points struck me as right on:

   1. Don't tell men how to do things.  Just tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.

   2. It isn't up to an army's commander (referring to 3rd Army) to decide how to beat the enemy, but rather where to beat him.

- In letters home to his wife, you'd think he was writing to a fellow general most of the time.  Although there was some humor, and some mention of non military matters, there was never a hint of 'I love you' or 'I miss you.'  They are good records of his thoughts at the time, but are pretty cold considering the intended audience.

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2009, 06:33:56 AM »
Because he's not a career "yes" man and doesn't give a rats ass about "PC"

Its beyond that..Patton might have done ok if he came in after 911. If he grew up in either the post vietnam army or PC clinton Army, never in a million years. Hey George U need to pitch a "consideration of others class"...forget that tank maintenance class.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #61 on: July 04, 2009, 10:42:11 AM »
Some big points from War As I Knew It:

- Patton seemed like an excellent wartime diplomat & politician, although very far removed from the fighting troops.  His dealings with the Moroccans showed an excellent ability to walk the diplomatic tightrope.  How he handled the Vichy French in Morocco was equally impressive, turning yesterday's enemy into today's ally.

- He didn't seem to bear any grudge against Bradley or Eisenhower, and his dislike of Montgomery was based on what he saw as Monty's incompetence.

- He would routinely discount protests from subordinates and insist that they press forward, in keeping with his theory of 'hold 'em by the nose & kick 'em in the ass' (this refers to a flanking tactic), although he felt that infantry lose effectiveness after 60 hours of continuous attack.  :o   He frequently mentioned that aggressive attack would save American lives in the long run.

- He seemed so far removed from the average soldiers that the highlights he provides of his direct interaction with them stick out conspicuously.  However, when discussing the error of micromanagement, two points struck me as right on:

   1. Don't tell men how to do things.  Just tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.

   2. It isn't up to an army's commander (referring to 3rd Army) to decide how to beat the enemy, but rather where to beat him.

- In letters home to his wife, you'd think he was writing to a fellow general most of the time.  Although there was some humor, and some mention of non military matters, there was never a hint of 'I love you' or 'I miss you.'  They are good records of his thoughts at the time, but are pretty cold considering the intended audience.


The greatest General ever!!!


He captured 81,000 sq. miles of territory (size of France)

He captured over 1,250,000 prisoners (nearly 5 armies) while his army was only about 250,000

He killed or wounded over 500,000 Germans

These are the greatest accomplishments in military history!!

His men feared him more than the Germans and he knew with this mentality they would kill for him until the end (and they did).

Even Hitler and his Axis thought of him as America's greatest weapon. It's kinda funny how much respect he got from the enemies and his own allies (Eisnhower, Bradley, and the like didn't give him the respect as the enemies did).

We should have listened to him and went after the Russians because he knew they had no air strike and they were weak when the war ended. This would have saved us so many head aches in the future.

Case in point: If there was no Patton we would be worshiping Hitler and speaking German right now.

He was the King of all kings you sonofabitches!!!!!

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2009, 11:14:13 AM »
The only military print I have in my house.
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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2009, 08:02:50 PM »
The only military print I have in my house.

One of the stories in his letters related how he ordered the steps to his trailer to be refaced in wood because the expanded metal treadplate kept catching and breaking Willie the Dog's toenails.  ;D



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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2009, 08:09:03 AM »
Did he work for Blackwater too?

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Re: General George S. Patton
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2009, 09:26:01 AM »
Forget about Patton, we need this guy: