Nevada Sen. John Ensign admits affair

[Benny B]

There are a few Democrats who are bullshitting "family value" clowns as well.

Tipper Gore was one of the leading ladies behind the idiotic labeling of records that got introduced back in the 80's.

Talk about fascist anti-free speech, Reaganist way of acting.




Then the internet came and set the freedom of speech free again, temporarily, but Fascists around the world are trying to restrict it again, trying to control us once again.




BTW,




on the issue of internet rights I think Obama seems to be pretty decent, Hillary I really don't know, but I get the feeling she's much more conservative.

There are plenty of Republicans that seems to be in support of the individual right, and quite frankly, both the big US parties have ideologies that should be big on the individuals side.

Especially the GOP.

So I think filesharing could become a big issue for the GOP, if they have the smarts to pick it up.

They certainly have the ideological base to do it - nobody should care what you or anyone else do with your computer, and companies should not be allowed to track your actions.

Like they do in France.




I'm sure Fox News could do a great piece on the french angle, they're great on whipping up hate against everything French.

Why does Eurotrash think I care about his views?  Tipper Gore? lol It is obvious "Zach" doesn't know what he's talking about. 

[Benny B]

Of course, I don't really expect you to be smart enough to comprehend any of this basic logic.  So spout your useless 3 page reply that does nothing but clarify what we already know.  You're an idiot.

This pretty much sums it up!

"McMoron" will turn this into a thirty page thread with his inane babble and determination to have the last word. Let him. His passionate support of HYPOCRITES speaks for itself.

[LurkerNoMore]

This pretty much sums it up!

"McMoron" will turn this into a thirty page thread with his inane babble and determination to have the last word. Let him. His passionate support of HYPOCRITES speaks for itself.

Seriously, I have never seen someone post such drivel.  It is beyond pathetic to watch someone attempt to draw a relevant conclusion based on an irrelevant assumption.  You sit there the entire time knowing it is going to fail and yet they plod on and on and... on.  Completely unaware of the dazzling display of stupidity they are exhibiting.   The really moronic thing is they can't even grasp simple logic in a two sentence post of someone else without twisting it (or completely unable to comprehend it) before attempting a little mini novel on their viewpoint. 

[Benny B]

Seriously, I have never seen someone post such drivel.  It is beyond pathetic to watch someone attempt to draw a relevant conclusion based on an irrelevant assumption.  You sit there the entire time knowing it is going to fail and yet they plod on and on and... on.  Completely unaware of the dazzling display of stupidity they are exhibiting.   The really moronic thing is they can't even grasp simple logic in a two sentence post of someone else without twisting it (or completely unable to comprehend it) before attempting a little mini novel on their viewpoint. 

You're a smart guy. At least as it relates to this thread, the responses thus far are not worth your time.

[Dos Equis]

  McWay is spot on, as usual. 

Regarding the indiscretions of our political leaders, neither party has a monopoly, but Lurker's contention that that Republicans have been more at fault since 06 is patently absurd and factually inaccurate.  For example:

Senator Edwards (affair while running for president as a supposed squeaky clean candidate)
Congressman Jefferson (bribes)
Congressman Mahoney (affair with an aide and another woman)
Governor Siegelman (bribery)
Governor McGreevy (homosexual affair)
Governor Spitzer (prostitution)
Governor Blagojevich (bribes, impeached, under indictment)
Mayor Kilpatrick (affair and crimes, convicted)
Mayor Villaraigosa (affairs with two reporters who cover him)
Mayor Newsome (affair with campaign manager's wife)
Mayor Dixon (perjury, theft)
Mayor Becker (attempt to have sex with minor)

There is more, and Republicans have their bad actors, but to try and portray misconduct as some partisan issue is silly. 

[LurkerNoMore]

The issue was not the crime it was the HYPOCRISY. 
Lurker's contention is that more Republicans are guilty of hypocrisy than Dems.
Apparently for Republicans it is as difficult to understand that term as it is to overcome it.   

But never fear, if you would like to continuously misinterpret my words in a failing attempt at deflection (typical GOP method) and  if you want to go back and include any scandal/crime/arrest/indictment (since no one can comprehend a simple term like "hypocrisy") then I can do that too.  And guess what?  GOP still out numbers Dem.

[LurkerNoMore]

I said since 2006.

Here is a list of GOP idiots JUST FOR 2007.  Notice, I am playing little BB's and McMindless's game of just including any crime.  Perhaps if they could understand HYPOCRISY we would all be on the same page here.   

Note, this is ONLY 2007.  I can easily go ahead and add the list of names for 2006, 2008, 2009.  But I really don't think it will be necessary.     So I eagerly await BBs little list of the Dem scandals that prove my statement of GOP being more numerous or even just close to equal since 2006.

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January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationship

January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges "in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees"

January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House Financial Services Committee despite the FBI's investigation into his land deals

February 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and former CIA executive director Kyle "Dusty" Foggo are indicted by a grandy jury for corrupting CIA contracts

February 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges of providing material support to terrorists

March 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete Domenici for his role in the Attorney Purge scandal

March 6, 2007: I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney found guilty of obstruction of justice and perjury

March 8, 2007: Republican former U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admits to extramarital affair

March 23, 2007: Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles, an oil and gas lobbyist who became an architect of George W. Bush's energy policies, pleads guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committee

March 27, 2007: Criminal charges filed against Republican Pennsylvania State Senator Robert Regola in connection with the death of a teenage neighbor who was shot with the senator's gun; he is accused of three counts of perjury, allowing possession of a firearm by a minor, recklessly endangering another person and false swearing

March 27, 2007: Ronald Reagan's budget director, David Stockman, "indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit"

March 28, 2007: Robert Vellanoweth, a Republican activist and appointee of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is arrested on suspicion of gross vehicular manslaughter and felony driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, after a crash that killed three adults and one child

April 18, 2007: The FBI raids the home of Republican Congressman John Doolittle, investigating his ties to Jack Abramoff

April 19, 2007: The FBI raids a business tied to the family of Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, as part of an investigation into his business dealings

April 23, 2007: The FBI questions Republican Congressman Tom Feeney about his dealings with Jack Abramoff

April 23, 2007: Federal auditors find repeat violations of federal election law from the 2004 Senate campaign of Republican Senator Mel Martinez

April 26, 2007: David Huckabee, son of Republican Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, is arrested at an Arkansas airport after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage

May 4, 2007: Bruce Weyhrauch and Pete Kott, former Alaska state Republican legislators, were arrested and accused of soliciting and accepting bribes from the corrupt VECO Corporation

May 4, 2007: Republican state Assemblyman Michael Cole is censured and stripped of his leadership position after the married father of two spent the night at a 21-year-old intern's apartment

May 11, 2007: A field coordinator for Republican Congressman Patrick McHenry is indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina

May 12, 2007: NBC News breaks the story that the FBI is investigating Republican Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons for suspicion of accepting bribes in exchange for securing government contracts

May 15, 2007: Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy is arrested for drunk driving (he pled no contest on June 1, but didn't publicly disclose the event until June 11)

May 18, 2007: Republican former South Dakota State Representative Ted Klaudt is charged with eight counts of second-degree rape, two counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, one count of sexual contact with a child younger than 16, two counts of witness tampering and one count of stalking against two foster children in his care

May 21, 2007: Republican state Senate candidate Mark Tate is indicted on nine counts of perjury and two counts of election fraud by a grand jury

June 11, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig is arrested for lewd conduct in the men's bathroom of an airport

June 19, 2007: South Carolina Republican state Treasurer and South Carolina Chairman of Giuliani for President Thomas Ravenel is indicted by a grand jury on cocaine distribution charges

July 2, 2007: President George W. Bush commutes the sentence of former Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby following Libby's conviction on obstruction of justice and perjury

July 3, 2007: A grand jury report declares that the sale of public land to Republican Congressman Ken Calvert and his business partners violated the law

July 11, 2007: Republican state Representative and Florida co-Chairman of McCain for President Bob Allen is arrested for soliciting a male undercover police officer, offering to pay $20 to perform oral sex

July 16, 2007: Republican Senator David Vitter holds press conference acknowledging being on the D.C. Madam's list and past involvement with prostitutes

July 16, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski was involved in a sweetheart real estate deal

July 19: Republican former state legislator Coy Privette is charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution

July 24, 2007: Michael Flory, former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, pleads guilty to sexual abuse

July 26, 2007: Media report that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski will sell back land purchased in a sweetheart deal, following close scrutiny of the shady transaction

July 29, 2007: Glenn Murphy Jr., recently-elected Chairman of the Young Republican National Federation, is accused of sexually assaulting a sleeping man

July 30, 2007: The FBI and IRS raid the home of Republican Senator Ted Stevens following investigations into Stevens' dealings with the corrupt VECO Corporation

August 2, 2007: Bush administration senior adviser Karl Rove disregards a Congressional subpoena and refuses to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee

August 6, 2007: Investigation called for after House Republican Leader John Boehner leaked classified information regarding a secret court ruling over warrantless wiretapping

August 8, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig pleads guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct following his June 11 arrest

August 9, 2007: Major Republican donor Alan Fabian is charged with 23 counts of bankruptcy fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and perjury

August 15, 2007: Republican state House candidate Angelo Cappelli is arrested for perjury and grand theft

August 22, 2007: Republican political consultant Roger Stone resigns his role with the New York state Senate Republicans after reports surfaced that he made a "threatening, obscenity-laced" phone call to the 83-year-old father of Governor Eliot Spitzer

August 27, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Larry Craig was arrested and pled guilty - he had not publicly disclosed the events to that point

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Want to play some more? 

[Dos Equis]

  No.  You don't get it Lurker.  I don't want to talk about a "Republican radio personality."  lol. . . .  What I said is true:  corruption, misconduct, crime, etc. cross party lines.  Neither party has a monopoly on crime or hypocrisy.  I didn't include all of the state senators, etc. who have been investigated and/or committed crimes very recently, and also happen to be Democrats, but the list is long.

I guess I'd do better if I wasn't having this exchange with a liberal hack who sees the world exclusively as either liberal or conservative, Republican and Democrat, believes all Republicans are evil yadda yadda.       

[240 is Back]

both parties have their deviants.

I think the prob here is that this dude (and many repubs) try to take the moral high ground and preach on others (and legislate) how your marriage should go.

The higher they place themselves up, the further the fall.  When a single dem governor gets caught with a hooker, nobody cares.  When a married repub governor on many religious committees who spends his days lecturing others on respecting their vows and demanding cheaters resign... when HE is caught boning a hooker, it's a bigger deal.

[LurkerNoMore]

Oh but I do get it.  I make a plain English statement of an action (hypocrisy and scandals) for a specific time frame  (SINCE 2006) and you dispute it.  Well alright then!  
But yet when I then clarify the statement again (and again.. and again...) and post proof, your only FAILING action is to attempt to twist the context around (again).  Typical deflection.  Typical FAILING deflection.  

What I said is true.  Since 2006, GOP has the vast majority of scandals.  And yet you can't counter that so the only option you got left is typical (FAILING) backtracking in a (FAILING) effort to try to redirect the topic and issue from a very specific statement of mine that you disputed.    

I get it.  You'll get it to whether you want to or not.    Bottom line is : As I stated, GOP has been the vast majority of scandals and hypocrisy since 2006.  Prove it wrong.     Otherwise continue with the irrelevant replies that only showcase you can't dispute it with facts, only words.  

And yes, these   are a direct prediction of your future posts.  

[Dos Equis]

both parties have their deviants.

I think the prob here is that this dude (and many repubs) try to take the moral high ground and preach on others (and legislate) how your marriage should go.

The higher they place themselves up, the further the fall.  When a single dem governor gets caught with a hooker, nobody cares.  When a married repub governor on many religious committees who spends his days lecturing others on respecting their vows and demanding cheaters resign... when HE is caught boning a hooker, it's a bigger deal.

Like Governor Spitzer prosecuting people for prostitution and later engaging in the same conduct himself? 

Every politician, particularly those in the Congress and local and state executive positions, include honesty and integrity as a major component of their platform when they run for office.  When they fall, they are hypocrites, regardless of party.   

[LurkerNoMore]

When a single dem governor gets caught with a hooker, nobody cares.  When a married repub governor on many religious committees who spends his days lecturing others on respecting their vows and demanding cheaters resign... when HE is caught boning a hooker, it's a bigger deal.

Because THAT is where the hypocrisy lies.  Of course, we've already established that Republicans can't grasp that simple logic.

[Dos Equis]

Oh but I do get it.  I make a plain English statement of an action (hypocrisy and scandals) for a specific time frame  (SINCE 2006) and you dispute it.  Well alright then!  
But yet when I then clarify the statement again (and again.. and again...) and post proof, your only FAILING action is to attempt to twist the context around (again).  Typical deflection.  Typical FAILING deflection.  

What I said is true.  Since 2006, GOP has the vast majority of scandals.  And yet you can't counter that so the only option you got left is typical (FAILING) backtracking in a (FAILING) effort to try to redirect the topic and issue from a very specific statement of mine that you disputed.    

I get it.  You'll get it to whether you want to or not.    Bottom line is : As I stated, GOP has been the vast majority of scandals and hypocrisy since 2006.  Prove it wrong.     Otherwise continue with the irrelevant replies that only showcase you can't dispute it with facts, only words.  

And yes, these   are a direct prediction of your future posts.  

lol . . . Meltdown.   

[LurkerNoMore]

Like Governor Spitzer prosecuting people for prostitution and later engaging in the same conduct himself? 

EXACTLY!!!  (Oh boy, there is hope yet.    )

Now for every one of the Dems that was busted in straight hypocrisy like that, how many Repubs are there?

[LurkerNoMore]

lol . . . Meltdown.   

You could only wish.  Sorry to disappoint.

Now, I will continue to await you to post FACTS that dispute my claim, not just words.

[Dos Equis]

EXACTLY!!!  (Oh boy, there is hope yet.    )

Now for every one of the Dems that was busted in straight hypocrisy like that, how many Repubs are there?

Plenty on both sides.  Like I just said:

"Every politician, particularly those in the Congress and local and state executive positions, include honesty and integrity as a major component of their platform when they run for office.  When they fall, they are hypocrites, regardless of party."   

[LurkerNoMore]

Plenty on both sides.  Like I just said:

But that is not what I said.  I was very specific in my words and  you disputed them.  But yet, no proof exists.  At least, none you have provided for your side.  Making a vague blanket statement isn't contention to what I posted.

Again, bottom line is - Republicans are more guilty of hypocrisy since 2006 than Dems. 

[240 is Back]

Like Governor Spitzer prosecuting people for prostitution and later engaging in the same conduct himself? 

Every politician, particularly those in the Congress and local and state executive positions, include honesty and integrity as a major component of their platform when they run for office.  When they fall, they are hypocrites, regardless of party.  

Some politicians make a bigger deal about it than others.  Some make a bigger deal about pr-family legislation or anti-gay votes.

When they're the one blowing guys in airport restrooms, it's a bigger deal.

[Dos Equis]

But that is not what I said.  I was very specific in my words and  you disputed them.  But yet, no proof exists.  At least, none you have provided for your side.  Making a vague blanket statement isn't contention to what I posted.

Again, bottom line is - Republicans are more guilty of hypocrisy since 2006 than Dems. 

You didn't provide any facts.  You also have a very narrow and inaccurate definition of "hypocrisy." 

But I'll play a little.  Let's work with your definition.  Where are the "facts" showing each person you claim to be a hypocrite didn't practice what they preached?  In other words, how many of the Republicans you call hypocrites made public statements, campaigned, etc. about being faithful to their wives, but later cheated on them?   

(insert Jeopardy music here)

As I said earlier, twice, anytime certain public office holders commit crimes or indiscretions they are hypocrites, because honesty, integrity, etc. are part of their platforms when they run for office.   

[LurkerNoMore]

You went from "hypocrisy" to just plain "crimes" in your little list.

So I beat you at your own game.  If you want to just include hypocrites, well nevertheless I will win that as well.  The facts and stats speak for themselves.  Someone pushing stronger pedophile legislation and getting busted in it... hypocrite.  Someone preaching and condemning homos and drug users and getting caught with a queer dopedealer..hypocrite.  Prostitution laws and busted with a hooker... hypocrite.  Someone high on the horse with anti-gay legislation or going after adulters and then getting busted for the same... hypocrite.

Someone getting busted for embezzling money...
Someone getting busted for perjury....
Someone getting busted for fraud..

well those are just dumbasses.  Criminals.  You can easily commit a crime without being a hypocrite about it.

[Dos Equis]

You went from "hypocrisy" to just plain "crimes" in your little list.

So I beat you at your own game.  If you want to just include hypocrites, well nevertheless I will win that as well.  The facts and stats speak for themselves.  Someone pushing stronger pedophile legislation and getting busted in it... hypocrite.  Someone preaching and condemning homos and drug users and getting caught with a queer dopedealer..hypocrite.  Prostitution laws and busted with a hooker... hypocrite.  Someone high on the horse with anti-gay legislation or going after adulters and then getting busted for the same... hypocrite.

Someone getting busted for embezzling money...
Someone getting busted for perjury....
Someone getting busted for fraud..

well those are just dumbasses.  Criminals.  You can easily commit a crime without being a hypocrite about it.

I'm not trying to win a game.  lol . . .   Dude you need to take a deep breath and remember this is only the internet.   

I'm not asking about "someone."  You claim to have provided "facts" about hypocrisy.  In reality, you provided nothing more than a partisan generalization.  Point me to the specific statements by the people you call hypocrites and lets compare those specific statements to the conduct you contend is hypocritical.   

[tonymctones]

You didn't provide any facts.  You also have a very narrow and inaccurate definition of "hypocrisy." 

But I'll play a little.  Let's work with your definition.  Where are the "facts" showing each person you claim to be a hypocrite didn't practice what they preached?  In other words, how many of the Republicans you call hypocrites made public statements, campaigned, etc. about being faithful to their wives, but later cheated on them?   

(insert Jeopardy music here)

As I said earlier, twice, anytime certain public office holders commit crimes or indiscretions they are hypocrites, because honesty, integrity, etc. are part of their platforms when they run for office.  

this is the part lurker youre having problems with, your trying to further define hypocrisey so that you can eliminate the left...

politicians run on being upstanding and ethical ppl ALL POLITICIANS...you dont see politicians running on platforms of "im gonna fuck you over the first chance i get"

LOL im sure if you look at the voting records of these ppl left and right you will see that at one point or another they voted for something that whatever their actions went against...

dont be an ignorant hard line party fool...

[Dos Equis]

this is the part lurker youre having problems with, your trying to further define hypocrisey so that you can eliminate the left...

politicians run on being upstanding and ethical ppl ALL POLITICIANS...you dont see politicians running on platforms of "im gonna fuck you over the first chance i get"

LOL im sure if you look at the voting records of these ppl left and right you will see that at one point or another they voted for something that whatever their actions went against...

dont be an ignorant hard line party fool...

Ding ding ding!  Correct.   

[LurkerNoMore]

Once again, someone can't post anything to back their own argument up.  

Spin, deflect, split hairs, whatever... still remains the same as I stated it pages ago.

[Dos Equis]

Once again, someone can't post anything to back their own argument up.  

Spin, deflect, split hairs, whatever... still remains the same as I stated it pages ago.

lol.  Cut and run.

Now, I will continue to await you to post FACTS that dispute my claim, not just words.