Atheists stage festival for anti-religion films

[Dos Equis]

This is funny.  Atheists again spending an inordinate amount of time talking about something they don't believe in.  Has anyone ever made an anti-Santa Claus movie?   

Atheists stage festival for anti-religion films
'Evolution: The Musical,' rants by George Carlin, Woody Allen
Posted: June 27, 2009
12:40 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Festival founder Hank Pellissier

What is being billed as the first-ever Atheist Film Festival and featuring a large number of films that largely address religion will be held in San Francisco Sunday – and it lumps Jesus along with Zeno, Flying Saucers, The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Eden.

The event in San Francisco's Mission District is being held in two rooms at the Roxie Theater starting at noon and running to midnight.

Among the features will be "Root of all Evil?" in which famed British atheist Richard Dawkins issues a warning about how faith is "gaining ground in the face of rational, scientific truth."

Events are being sponsored, among others, by the San Francisco Atheists, who report they, "do not believe in gods, devils, angels, ghosts, or other imaginary creatures.'

According to their website, they "want to live natural, religion-free lives … respect science and learning, knowing that only human thought, effort and courage will bring individual freedom and cultural progress."

Also featured will be "Pledge of Allegiance Blues," telling the story of Michael Newdow, who challenged the inclusion of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegience all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, where he was rebuffed.

The film festival describes his efforts as a battle "to protect the separation between church and state."

Also on the fare will be a musical called, "Evolution: The Musical, "Heathen Wind," "Audience of One," and others, including "rants" by George Carlin, Monty Python and Woody Allen.

Dawkins' work "takes you to some of the world's religious hot-spots, both in America and the Middle East. Dawkins meets with religious leaders and their followers, as well as scientists and skeptics to examine the power of religion."

The Evolution musical is described as "a cross between Hair and the Rocky Horror Picture Show with some Gospel thrown in."

Ray Comfort is the Christian author whose book "You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence but You Can't Make Him Think" book bumped Dawkins' "The God Delusion" on Amazon.com's best-seller list when it was released.

Comfort, who works with Living Waters ministry and has argued against atheism at Yale University, debated the issue on ABC's Nightline and has authored some 60 other books, including "God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists," "How to Know God Exists" and "Evolution: the Fairy Tale for Grownups," has told WND it's atheism, not faith, that lacks a foundation in reality.

"I simply expose atheistic evolution for the unscientific fairy tale that it is, and I do it with common logic. I ask questions about where the female came from for each species. Every male dog, cat, horse, elephant, giraffe, fish and bird had to have coincidentally evolved with a female alongside it (over billions of years) with fully evolved compatible reproductive parts and a desire to mate, otherwise the species couldn't keep going. Evolution has no explanation for the female for every species in creation," he previously told WND.

"I also show that the 'God' issue is moral rather than intellectual. No one needs to prove that God exists. Creation is clear evidence for any sane person that there's a Creator. But if I can convince myself that there is no God, it means I am not morally accountable, and evolution opens the door to a whole lot of sinful delicacies such as pornography, fornication, lying, theft, and of course writing bad reviews for a book I haven't read," he continued.

He said the logical problem that follows atheists, though, is that once they convince themselves God doesn't exist, they are left with the "insane" philosophy that nothing created everything.

"They will deny that through gritted teeth because it is intellectually embarrassing, but if I say that I have no belief that my Ford Truck had a maker, it means I think that nothing made it, and that's a scientific impossibility," Comfort said.

WND reported when Comfort challenged Dawkins to a debate over God's existence, but Dawkins snubbed offers of both $10,000 and $20,000.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102358

[gcb]

You should learn to respect peoples religion (or lack thereof) and they probably wouldn't feel the need to do it - but alas I think that is beyond you.

[Nordic Superman]

You should learn to respect peoples religion (or lack thereof) and they probably wouldn't feel the need to do it - but alas I think that is beyond you.

Why should you respect peoples religion? You shouldn't.

You should respect peoples right to practice a said religion but not the religion itself.

[gcb]

Why should you respect peoples religion? You shouldn't.

You should respect peoples right to practice a said religion but not the religion itself.

Ok I stand corrected

[Straw Man]

This is funny.  Atheists again spending an inordinate amount of time talking about something they don't believe in.  Has anyone ever made an anti-Santa Claus movie?   

as always, a lame and simplistic argument

would you make the same argument about Jews who make a film exposing the horrors of Nazi Germany or anti-semitism?

[loco]

as always, a lame and simplistic argument

would you make the same argument about Jews who make a film exposing the horrors of Nazi Germany or anti-semitism?

The Jews do believe in the existence of the horrors of Nazi Germany and they believe in the existence of anti-semitism.  So the same argument does not apply.

[Straw Man]

The Jews do believe in the existence of the horrors of Nazi Germany and they believe in the existence of anti-semitism.  So the same argument does not apply.

ok - I can see your point of view.

Given that Religion is pervasive and causes (in the view of many) so many problems why would people who are opposed to religion not want to point out the absurdities (as they see it).

surely religion (all forms) have a more signficant impact on all our lives than the recennt (in historical terms) western belief in a fat elf that delivers toys on Christmas.

[loco]

ok - I can see your point of view.

Given that Religion is pervasive and causes (in the view of many) so many problems why would people who are opposed to religion not want to point out the absurdities (as they see it).

surely religion (all forms) have a more signficant impact on all our lives than the recennt (in historical terms) western belief in a fat elf that delivers toys on Christmas.

They are free to point out whatever they want. 

Likewise, Beach Bum is free to point out their absurdities too.

[Straw Man]

there is nothing absurd about pointing out something you don't believe in or agree with, especially when it has (or is perceived to have) so many negative influences on one's life.

Perhaps a better example (and one Bum might understand) is all the Christians who spend so much time and money opposing gay rights. 

The whole idea that if you don't believe it something then you can't oppose it is just dumb

[Dos Equis]

You should learn to respect peoples religion (or lack thereof) and they probably wouldn't feel the need to do it - but alas I think that is beyond you.

I respect the First Amendment.  Paranoid anti-religious extremists don't.  They focus on the Establishment Clause and completely ignore the Free Exercise Clause.  We all have the right to practice any religion, or no religion at all. 

[Dos Equis]

The Jews do believe in the existence of the horrors of Nazi Germany and they believe in the existence of anti-semitism.  So the same argument does not apply.

Exactly.  And Nazi Germany and anti-Semitism actually existed.  Pretty dumb question, as usual. 

The whole idea of organizing, protesting, meeting, and constantly whining about something you don't believe exists is just dumb. 

[Straw Man]

Exactly.  And Nazi Germany and anti-Semitism actually existed.  Pretty dumb question, as usual. 

The whole idea of organizing, protesting, meeting, and constantly whining about something you don't believe exists is just dumb. 

it doesn't matter whether THEY believe it or not. 

What matters is that OTHER's believe it and it has an impact on the lives of people who don't believe it

I'm sure you understand this and are just playing dumb as usual

[tonymctones]

it doesn't matter whether THEY believe it or not. 

What matters is that OTHER's believe it and it has an impact on the lives of people who don't believe it

I'm sure you understand this and are just playing dumb as usual

their beliefs have an impact on those that do believe in religion, how is that any different?

[Necrosis]

This is funny.  Atheists again spending an inordinate amount of time talking about something they don't believe in.  Has anyone ever made an anti-Santa Claus movie?   

Atheists stage festival for anti-religion films
'Evolution: The Musical,' rants by George Carlin, Woody Allen
Posted: June 27, 2009
12:40 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Festival founder Hank Pellissier

What is being billed as the first-ever Atheist Film Festival and featuring a large number of films that largely address religion will be held in San Francisco Sunday – and it lumps Jesus along with Zeno, Flying Saucers, The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Eden.

The event in San Francisco's Mission District is being held in two rooms at the Roxie Theater starting at noon and running to midnight.

Among the features will be "Root of all Evil?" in which famed British atheist Richard Dawkins issues a warning about how faith is "gaining ground in the face of rational, scientific truth."

Events are being sponsored, among others, by the San Francisco Atheists, who report they, "do not believe in gods, devils, angels, ghosts, or other imaginary creatures.'

According to their website, they "want to live natural, religion-free lives … respect science and learning, knowing that only human thought, effort and courage will bring individual freedom and cultural progress."

Also featured will be "Pledge of Allegiance Blues," telling the story of Michael Newdow, who challenged the inclusion of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegience all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, where he was rebuffed.

The film festival describes his efforts as a battle "to protect the separation between church and state."

Also on the fare will be a musical called, "Evolution: The Musical, "Heathen Wind," "Audience of One," and others, including "rants" by George Carlin, Monty Python and Woody Allen.

Dawkins' work "takes you to some of the world's religious hot-spots, both in America and the Middle East. Dawkins meets with religious leaders and their followers, as well as scientists and skeptics to examine the power of religion."

The Evolution musical is described as "a cross between Hair and the Rocky Horror Picture Show with some Gospel thrown in."

Ray Comfort is the Christian author whose book "You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence but You Can't Make Him Think" book bumped Dawkins' "The God Delusion" on Amazon.com's best-seller list when it was released.

Comfort, who works with Living Waters ministry and has argued against atheism at Yale University, debated the issue on ABC's Nightline and has authored some 60 other books, including "God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists," "How to Know God Exists" and "Evolution: the Fairy Tale for Grownups," has told WND it's atheism, not faith, that lacks a foundation in reality.

"I simply expose atheistic evolution for the unscientific fairy tale that it is, and I do it with common logic. I ask questions about where the female came from for each species. Every male dog, cat, horse, elephant, giraffe, fish and bird had to have coincidentally evolved with a female alongside it (over billions of years) with fully evolved compatible reproductive parts and a desire to mate, otherwise the species couldn't keep going. Evolution has no explanation for the female for every species in creation," he previously told WND.

"I also show that the 'God' issue is moral rather than intellectual. No one needs to prove that God exists. Creation is clear evidence for any sane person that there's a Creator. But if I can convince myself that there is no God, it means I am not morally accountable, and evolution opens the door to a whole lot of sinful delicacies such as pornography, fornication, lying, theft, and of course writing bad reviews for a book I haven't read," he continued.

He said the logical problem that follows atheists, though, is that once they convince themselves God doesn't exist, they are left with the "insane" philosophy that nothing created everything.

"They will deny that through gritted teeth because it is intellectually embarrassing, but if I say that I have no belief that my Ford Truck had a maker, it means I think that nothing made it, and that's a scientific impossibility," Comfort said.

WND reported when Comfort challenged Dawkins to a debate over God's existence, but Dawkins snubbed offers of both $10,000 and $20,000.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102358

you must be willingly ignorant or just dumb, religion causes a host of problems it must be opposed, and opposed strongly. It negates and impedes science, causes countless tragedy and death and is a source of discrimination. We need more people to wake up and live in reality.

[Necrosis]

I'm sure you understand this and are just playing dumb as usual

Im not so sure anymore, i mean if you cant tease apart a harmless ideology vs a harmful one
(religion) then i geuss it would seem absurd.

the ID vs evolution debate is a perfect example of why religion needs to be opposed.

[tonymctones]

Im not so sure anymore, i mean if you cant tease apart a harmless ideology vs a harmful one
(religion) then i geuss it would seem absurd.

the ID vs evolution debate is a perfect example of why religion needs to be opposed.

like most anti religion posters you fail to see all the good religion does, Ill pose the question to you as well as straw seems to have gone absent. The atheist belief is pushed on those who do believe why is that any different?

[MCWAY]

you must be willingly ignorant or just dumb, religion causes a host of problems it must be opposed, and opposed strongly. It negates and impedes science, causes countless tragedy and death and is a source of discrimination. We need more people to wake up and live in reality.

You can start with YOURSELF.

For starters, religion doesn't impede or negate science in the slighest, especially considering all the founders of modern science who were MEN OF FAITH.

As for the death and tragedy stuff, get real. I posted it a while back, but the horrific atheistic regime of Stalin wiped out more people than the Crusades and all present and past Jihads COMBINED (Why else do you think that today's flavor-of-the-month atheists keep trying to whitewash that fact by painting Stalin, along with Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot, as NOT being atheists but as members of some sort of religion?).

[Necrosis]

You can start with YOURSELF.

For starters, religion doesn't impede or negate science in the slighest, especially considering all the founders of modern science who were MEN OF FAITH.

As for the death and tragedy stuff, get real. I posted it a while back, but the horrific atheistic regime of Stalin wiped out more people than the Crusades and all present and past Jihads COMBINED (Why else do you think that today's flavor-of-the-month atheists keep trying to whitewash that fact by painting Stalin, along with Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot, as NOT being atheists but as members of some sort of religion?).

YES because scienctific advancements like geocentrism were not concealed by the church, ID is not trying to discredit science at all

hitler was a relgious, he did not commit acts in the name of atheism, the difference being relgious motives were used to murder millions, while atheism cannot be used as a motive. It is a lack of belief simply but, try to spin it anyway you want, but you are being irrational if you claim non-belief can be used as an ideology.


alot of scientists beleive in god, if you try to bring god into science you are in fact impeding it. Your argument is non sequitor my friend.

[MCWAY]

YES because scienctific advancements like geocentrism were not concealed by the church, ID is not trying to discredit science at all

Once again, get your fact straight. ID can't "discredit" science. On the contrary, science is simply the observation of natural phenomena. Folks who believe in ID (or even in Creation) use the disciplines of science to SUPPORT the notion of an intelligent sentient being creating life, just as evolutionists and atheists use those SAME disciplines to claim that no such being exists and that life somehow came from non-life.

hitler was a relgious, he did not commit acts in the name of atheism, the difference being relgious motives were used to murder millions, while atheism cannot be used as a motive. It is a lack of belief simply but, try to spin it anyway you want, but you are being irrational if you claim non-belief can be used as an ideology.

Events are being sponsored, among others, by the San Francisco Atheists, who report they, "do not believe in gods, devils, angels, ghosts, or other imaginary creatures.'

According to their website, they "want to live natural, religion-free lives … respect science and learning, knowing that only human thought, effort and courage will bring individual freedom and cultural progress."

And people wonder why I’ve stated that atheism, as practiced in modern times, is effectively man worshipping himself. The only thing these guys are doing is replacing one religion (i.e. Christianity, Islam, or Baal worship) with man/self-worship. “Only MAN is your salvation; only MAN can bring freedom and cultural progress”, etc.

That is effectively what Hitler believed. Non-belief can and HAS been used as an ideology to commit the very atrocities which you claim are the fault of religion. If there's no God, MAN is the highest being; therefore MAN is responsible for any and all atrocities committed. Hitler (as well as Stalin) DID NOT display a mere lack of belief, they were extremely hostile and violent towards people of faith. That cannot be denied, not matter how you try to sugarcoat it.

Modern-day atheists, such as Dawkins, do not display a simple lack of belief. He is quite hostile and intolerant toward those who believe in God. One could assert that the only reason he and his ilk don't replicate Stalin's actions is that they simply lack the muscle to do so.

[tonymctones]

like most anti religion posters you fail to see all the good religion does, Ill pose the question to you as well as straw seems to have gone absent. The atheist belief is pushed on those who do believe why is that any different?

necrosis or straw answer this question

[Necrosis]

Once again, get your fact straight. ID can't "discredit" science. On the contrary, science is simply the observation of natural phenomena. Folks who believe in ID (or even in Creation) use the disciplines of science to SUPPORT the notion of an intelligent sentient being creating life, just as evolutionists and atheists use those SAME disciplines to claim that no such being exists and that life somehow came from non-life.

Events are being sponsored, among others, by the San Francisco Atheists, who report they, "do not believe in gods, devils, angels, ghosts, or other imaginary creatures.'

According to their website, they "want to live natural, religion-free lives … respect science and learning, knowing that only human thought, effort and courage will bring individual freedom and cultural progress."

And people wonder why I’ve stated that atheism, as practiced in modern times, is effectively man worshipping himself. The only thing these guys are doing is replacing one religion (i.e. Christianity, Islam, or Baal worship) with man/self-worship. “Only MAN is your salvation; only MAN can bring freedom and cultural progress”, etc.

That is effectively what Hitler believed. Non-belief can and HAS been used as an ideology to commit the very atrocities which you claim are the fault of religion. If there's no God, MAN is the highest being; therefore MAN is responsible for any and all atrocities committed. Hitler (as well as Stalin) DID NOT display a mere lack of belief, they were extremely hostile and violent towards people of faith. That cannot be denied, not matter how you try to sugarcoat it.

Modern-day atheists, such as Dawkins, do not display a simple lack of belief. He is quite hostile and intolerant toward those who believe in God. One could assert that the only reason he and his ilk don't replicate Stalin's actions is that they simply lack the muscle to do so.

ID people dont use science because there hypothesis is untestable, go back to the drawing board. Look at films like expelled they spread lies about science to the general public. You have no idea what you are talking about and have have no education in science, fail.

[tonymctones]

NECROSIS ANSWER THE QUESTION...how is atheist pushing their beliefs on ppl any different then religious ppl pushing their beliefs on ppl?

[MCWAY]

ID people dont use science because there hypothesis is untestable, go back to the drawing board. Look at films like expelled they spread lies about science to the general public. You have no idea what you are talking about and have have no education in science, fail.

By that silly canard, evolution is untestable as well. When was the last time someone smashed two big rocks together and observe some "goo" just show up, only to see it "evolve" into simple life forms, into this critter, that critter, etc?

Or as Comfort stated, "I ask questions about where the female came from for each species. Every male dog, cat, horse, elephant, giraffe, fish and bird had to have coincidentally evolved with a female alongside it (over billions of years) with fully evolved compatible reproductive parts and a desire to mate, otherwise the species couldn't keep going. Evolution has no explanation for the female for every species in creation."

As for my lack of education in science, tell that to the folks who gave me my Bachelor's of SCIENCE degree in Engineering.

Of course, NONE of this has to do with the issue of atheism being, for all practical purposes, a religion.

Nor does it take away from the fact that, for all your whining about the harm that religions like Christianity and Islam have done, the “religion” of atheism has far exceeded any benchmarks (in terms of cruelty and atrocities) set by those aforementioned faiths.

[Straw Man]

necrosis or straw answer this question

I don't consider myself an atheist but what belief do you think atheist are trying to push on you?

[Necrosis]

By that silly canard, evolution is untestable as well. When was the last time someone smashed two big rocks together and observe some "goo" just show up, only to see it "evolve" into simple life forms, into this critter, that critter, etc?

Or as Comfort stated, "I ask questions about where the female came from for each species. Every male dog, cat, horse, elephant, giraffe, fish and bird had to have coincidentally evolved with a female alongside it (over billions of years) with fully evolved compatible reproductive parts and a desire to mate, otherwise the species couldn't keep going. Evolution has no explanation for the female for every species in creation."

As for my lack of education in science, tell that to the folks who gave me my Bachelor's of SCIENCE degree in Engineering.

Of course, NONE of this has to do with the issue of atheism being, for all practical purposes, a religion.

Nor does it take away from the fact that, for all your whining about the harm that religions like Christianity and Islam have done, the “religion” of atheism has far exceeded any benchmarks (in terms of cruelty and atrocities) set by those aforementioned faiths.

you show your ignorance as evolution is observable, molecular genetics is observable, speciation is observable etc..

Ray comfort is an idiot and i wont even read anything he has to say. He proposed the shape of a banana indicated it was made for us, not knowing that non cultivated bananas do not share this modern shape.

hitler was religious, stop fooling yourself.

atheism cannot be used as a manifesto per se, because it is a lack of belief. Keep trying.