Author Topic: White firefighters in New Haven win Supreme Court reverse discrimination case (Read 15001 times)

FuKk it... when you need help you want the best firefighters possible.. the ones who are qualified because of their ability and not because some shitty minority deal.

That's the truest thing written in this thread.

I'm not racist or sexist like many in this thread. I want the job done by people who can do the job as good as it needs to be done, or better, not purely because of their sex or ethnicity. Give someone a job or promotion for the sake of making quota and you could be costing lives.

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:17:36 AM »

Tre, I don't understand how anyone can see it differently. Totally agree. If the test doesn't have some significant discriminatory element, the city should actually be penalyzed for discriminating against the firemen who scored well and were not promoted as promised. Your right, it wasn't a minority advocacy group causing a problem, its the city that decided to throw out the exam because of fears of lawsuits.

It is very concerning the vote was that close. This was clearly discrimination and we need to get away from discriminatory practices altogether. Personally, I would vote no on Sotomayor because of this bad decision.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #60 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:50:50 AM »

Quote from: nukkaready on June 30, 2009, 03:05:20 PM

FuKk it... when you need help you want the best firefighters possible.. the ones who are qualified because of their ability and not because some shitty minority deal.

Good post, nukka. The only time I ever rang the FD was when I was in uni. They showed up in less that 5 mins; I phoned them and could hear them coming through the town to the house. The guys who showed up weren't those guys you see on those calendars; they were, like, 50+, grizzled, beer-gutted guys; guys that would give Bay a wet dream, ya know? They showed up and totally read the situation in 10 seconds and handled it in about 5 mins. That's what I want in a FD: Capable people, not some nod of the cap to political correctness.

Deicide · « **Reply #61 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:54:04 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 01, 2009, 07:50:50 AM

Good post, nukka. The only time I ever rang the FD was when I was in uni. They showed up in less that 5 mins; I phoned them and could hear them coming through the town to the house. The guys who showed up weren't those guys you see on those calendars; they were, like, 50+, grizzled, beer-gutted guys; guys that would give Bay a wet dream, ya know? They showed up and totally read the situation in 10 seconds and handled it in about 5 mins. That's what I want in a FD: Capable people, not some nod of the cap to political correctness.

Hahahaha...ahahahhaahaha ha.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #62 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:09:56 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 01, 2009, 07:54:04 AM

Hahahaha...ahahahhaahahaha.

I wonder what MattC would say when his house catches fire and the FD guys who respond are totally capable Jewish and Black people?

Deicide · « **Reply #63 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:11:18 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 01, 2009, 08:09:56 AM

I wonder what MattC would say when his house catches fire and the FD guys who respond are totally capable Jewish and Black people?

Tre · « **Reply #64 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:14:16 AM »

Quote from: shootfighter1 on July 01, 2009, 07:17:36 AM

Tre, I don't understand how anyone can see it differently. Totally agree. If the test doesn't have some significant discriminatory element, the city should actually be penalyzed for discriminating against the firemen who scored well and were not promoted as promised. Your right, it wasn't a minority advocacy group causing a problem, its the city that decided to throw out the exam because of fears of lawsuits.

It is very concerning the vote was that close. This was clearly discrimination and we need to get away from discriminatory practices altogether. Personally, I would vote no on Sotomayor because of this bad decision.

x2

I'm going only off what I picked up from the news (NPR), but according to them, the exam has been reviewed and was determined to be entirely job-related, as it should be.

But, good ol' NPR, not able to leave well enough alone, asked a city official (he's one of the city attorneys, I believe), "Will you now look around and see whether there might be better exams available?"

What the heck is wrong with encouraging those who are looking for a promotion to prepare better for the exam??

Did I score lower on the MCAT than my white counterparts because I'm black? Hell no, it's because I put in 5% of the effort they did. I got what I deserved. So guess what? While my friends are going to Duke and Stanford, I was tracking for East Carolina (no disrespect to ECU Medicine, mind you)! My scores were good enough, but I wasn't going to a top-tier school.

When something is totally non-biased, we should not be lowering the standards, period. If you need 85% (arbitrary) in order to become promotion-eligible, then that's what you need...black, white, brown, yellow doesn't matter one bit.

And if something *is* biased (I'm still shaking my head over all the SAT discussions of the past 20 years), we should be working on solutions to eliminate the bias, and NOT on ways to hold non-whites to lower standards.

Being black, it always pisses me off when less is expected because of color. Note: the MCAT is heavily biased against those who don't study for it. lol

dr.chimps · « **Reply #65 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:15:29 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 01, 2009, 08:11:18 AM

Yuck. There's a cool guy at my gym who's got those grommets in his ears, and the other day I was talking to him and I sensed there was something wrong - just couldn't figure it out, tho. !0 mins later I got it. He had removed the grommets and run his IPod earbuds through the big earlobe holes and into his ear. Still freaks me out.

Deicide · « **Reply #66 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:15:29 AM »

Quote from: Tre on July 01, 2009, 08:14:16 AM

x2

I'm going only off what I picked up from the news (NPR), but according to them, the exam has been reviewed and was determined to be entirely job-related, as it should be.

But, good ol' NPR, not able to leave well enough alone, asked a city official (he's one of the city attorneys, I believe), "Will you now look around and see whether there might be better exams available?"

What the heck is wrong with encouraging those who are looking for a promotion to prepare better for the exam??

Did I score lower on the MCAT than my white counterparts because I'm black? Hell no, it's because I put in 5% of the effort they did. I got what I deserved. So guess what? While my friends are going to Duke and Stanford, I was tracking for East Carolina (no disrespect to ECU Medicine, mind you)! My scores were good enough, but I wasn't going to a top-tier school.

When something is totally non-biased, we should not be lowering the standards, period. If you need 85% (arbitrary) in order to become promotion-eligible, then that's what you need...black, white, brown, yellow doesn't matter one bit.

And if something *is* biased (I'm still shaking my head over all the SAT discussions of the past 20 years), we should be working on solutions to eliminate the bias, and NOT on ways to hold non-whites to lower standards.

Being black, it always pisses me off when less is expected because of color.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #67 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:19:04 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 01, 2009, 08:15:29 AM

LOL. That's a young Sese Seko. Guy didn't have a waistline like that while he was despot.

Deicide · « **Reply #68 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:20:07 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 01, 2009, 08:19:04 AM

LOL. That's a young Sese Seko. Guy didn't have a waistline like that while he was despot.

Great man. Zeus rest his soul.

Tre · « **Reply #69 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:21:24 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 01, 2009, 08:19:04 AM

LOL. That's a young Sese Seko. Guy didn't have a waistline like that while he was despot.

My new waistline doesn't look as bad as the one from a year ago.

Thanks for the new lats, Obama!

dr.chimps · « **Reply #70 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:23:53 AM »

Quote from: Tre on July 01, 2009, 08:21:24 AM

My new waistline doesn't look as bad as the one from a year ago.

Thanks for the new lats, Obama!

LOL. There's Tre getting uppity, again. Where's MattC and his plantation hat?

Deicide · « **Reply #71 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:24:43 AM »

Quote from: Tre on July 01, 2009, 08:21:24 AM

My new waistline doesn't look as bad as the one from a year ago.

Thanks for the new lats, Obama!

dr.chimps · « **Reply #72 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:28:04 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 01, 2009, 08:24:43 AM

Speaking of....The Royal Canadian Mint just did an audit and found out that they're short $15 million in gold. LOL. What a bunch of maroons. Of course, I'll be covering part of that loss.

Tre · « **Reply #73 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:33:20 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 01, 2009, 08:23:53 AM

LOL. There's Tre getting uppity, again. Where's MattC and his plantation hat?

LOL!!

If elected, would I become the first black American to go from the adult industry to the U.S. Senate? Or have there been others?

I took a few self-portraits last night. Rapidly approaching 40, it feels great to be less of a fat bastard now! Still a fat bastard as my standards are higher now, but greatly reduced with an awesome change (so far) in body composition.

Obama really has been my savior.

Deicide · « **Reply #74 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:34:02 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on July 01, 2009, 08:28:04 AM

Speaking of....The Royal Canadian Mint just did and audit and found out that they're short $15 million in gold. LOL. What a bunch of maroons. Of course, I'll be covering part of that loss.

Paying massive taxes never bothered you before doc, can't quote exactly but you know what I am talking about.