To all those laughing at Adonis for his method ...

[wavelength]

... I think this deserves special attention. I asked one of the world's leading nutritionists about my method of getting ripped using the simple rules of protein intake, rate of weight loss, and anaerobic training while eating "junk" food, drinking alcohol, doing no cardio, using candy and icecream for carbing up, not caring about fat/carb ratio, not caring about GI, not using any supplements other than whey for convenience, not caring about meal frequency. This is what he had to say:

Do people really give you sh!t about your results because they weren't achieved with clean foods? That's funny, especially considering that people don't realize that "clean" is a subjective term. One thing to remember is that most people simply do not have a fundamental understanding of human physiology. Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes.  Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.

At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric defricit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.

And here is a little background info on Alan: 'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'

[WillGrant]

Whats your take on protein intake?

[wavelength]

Whats your take on protein intake?

My rule is 1g / lb of lean body mass. Alan's is 1g / lb of target weight, which is basically the same.

[Palpatine Q]

ummmm, i think we got the concept at this point.

Calories in< calories out= weight loss

You can stop beating us over the head with it

[WillGrant]

My rule is 1g / lb of lean body mass. Alan's is 1g / lb of target weight, which is basically the same.

Do you think if you doubled that you would of held onto more lean tissue?

Alan Aragon is possibly loaded on gh and other assorted goodies especialy seeming he has a hand in the pie of olympic and pro athletes.

[wavelength]

ummmm, i think we got the concept at this point.

Calories in< calories out= weight loss

You can stop beating us over the head with it

Of course but that's not what it's about. The target of a cutting diet is not losing weight but doing it with optimal or at least close to optimal body composition. Losing weight does not automatically mean getting ripped.

[Palpatine Q]

Of course but that's not what it's about. The target of a cutting diet is not losing weight but doing it with optimal or at least close to optimal body composition. Losing weight does not automatically mean getting ripped.

You have stated numerous times that as long as a base protein requirement is met, all you have to do is operate at a caloric deficit, and you get lean.

 Now are you saying, at this stage in the game, that there is more to it than that?  that it's NOT,  after all.... "too easy?"

[wavelength]

Do you think if you doubled that you would of held onto more lean tissue?

Alan Aragon is possibly loaded on gh and other assorted goodies especialy seeming he has a hand in the pie of olympic and pro athletes.

No I don't think so, at least not significantly. On my previous cut, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss was about 9:1. I only lost about 1.5 lbs of LBM. Generally, more protein is OK but the tradeoff is less carb and fat intake. And I need carbs for performing optimally in the gym. This is not the same for everyone though IMO.

Alan knows his shit also with naturals, you can be sure of that.

[wavelength]

You have stated numerous times that as long as a base protein requirement is met, all you have to do is operate at a caloric deficit, and you get lean.

 Now are you saying, at this stage in the game, that there is more to it than that?  that it's NOT,  after all.... "too easy?"

You were just talking about calories in vs. calories out and how that leads to weight loss. I responded that the point was fat loss, not weight loss. For optimal fat loss, protein intake and anaerobic training is needed additionally. Maybe it was a misunderstanding.

[WillGrant]

No I don't think so, at least not significantly. On my previous cut, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss was about 9:1. I only lost about 1.5 lbs of LBM. Generally, more protein is OK but the tradeoff is less carb and fat intake. And I need carbs for performing optimally in the gym. This is not the same for everyone though IMO.

Alan knows his shit also with naturals, you can be sure of that.

Yes everyone is different , that is the key I think..if I lived off take out foods etc id be a mess 

No doubt he does but if he is enhanced then following his eating plan or using it as a reference for a natural is not apples with apples.

Do you have a very fast metabolism?

[wavelength]

Yes everyone is different , that is the key I think..if I lived off take out foods etc id be a mess 

No doubt he does but if he is enhanced then following his eating plan or using it as a reference for a natural is not apples with apples.

Do you have a very fast metabolism?

I don't, I gain fat very easily.

[DK II]

... I think this deserves special attention. I asked one of the world's leading nutritionists about my method of getting ripped using the simple rules of protein intake, rate of weight loss, and anaerobic training while eating "junk" food, drinking alcohol, doing no cardio, using candy and icecream for carbing up, not caring about fat/carb ratio, not caring about GI, not using any supplements other than whey for convenience, not caring about meal frequency. This is what he had to say:

And here is a little background info on Alan: 'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'

what you don't seem to understand is that he biked 8 miles to work and back every day.

[wavelength]

what you don't seem to understand is that he biked 8 miles to work and back every day.

That was obviously not his point. But if you think it was, I can again ask him specifically about the cardio part. I can guarantee you that he will respond the same. He knows that I don't do any cardio.

[Method101]

Some foods increase your metabolism more than others, for example, foods with vitamin B, vitamin B speeds up metabolism = more fat loss.

[Palpatine Q]

Do you have a very fast metabolism?

I'm curious about this as well.  what did you look like before you started your cut?

I only say this because if you are a naturally very lean guy like JohnnynoGame, then saying "look how lean i am!!!" really ain't saying shit, y'know?

I think Johnny's funny because he thinks that Tabata crap is what makes him lean.   His mommy and daddy made him lean

Not a slam....just curious

[The_Hammer]

What's your opinion of HIIT?

[DK II]

That was obviously not his point. But if you think it was, I can again ask him specifically about the cardio part. I can guarantee you that he will respond the same. He knows that I don't do any cardio.

I just say it's a tad ridiculous to say "I got lean without doing cardio, i ate only ice cream and biked 16 miles ed."  

[Palpatine Q]

I don't, I gain fat very easily.

any pics of you fat?

[wavelength]

Some foods increase your metabolism more than others, for example, foods with vitamin B, vitamin B speeds up metabolism = more fat loss.

Even if there is a significant effect, the point is not increasing meatabolism but improving body composition at a certain rate of weight loss resp. target weight. While with the same intake, rate of weight loss may change, this does not automatically mean better body composition at target weight.

[Meso_z]

wavelength, y know i respect you but this method is bulshit.

I you want to have a swimmers body its ok.

BUT if youre serious about bodybuilding and geting big, you cant eat 2 "snitzels" the size of a dogshit a day and grow.

I you just want to get lean its ok. its not for bb purposes.

[wavelength]

I just say it's a tad ridiculous to say "I got lean without doing cardio, i ate only ice cream and biked 16 miles ed."  

He was using himself only as an example for the rule of creating a deficit with whatever means. Again, the cardio was obviously not his point, as his response clearly indicated: "Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes.". But I will ask him about it to make that 100% clear.

[webcake]

wavelength, y know i respect you but this method is bulshit.

I you want to have a swimmers body its ok.

BUT if youre serious about bodybuilding and geting big, you cant eat 2 "snitzels" the size of a dogshit a day and grow.

I you just want to get lean its ok. its not for bb purposes.

I can't speak for wave here, but if he were to bulk, i would assume he would follow a more typical diet with higher cals and more frequent meals. Makes sense really, as bulking doesn;t really have anything to do with cutting. Two completely different approaches to dieting. This works for him now, so lets say he bulked up to 200lbs and started dieting again, it would still work.

[wavelength]

any pics of you fat?

I only have one at about 15%.



Before I started working out, I was probably around 20-25%.

[wavelength]

wavelength, y know i respect you but this method is bulshit.

I you want to have a swimmers body its ok.

BUT if youre serious about bodybuilding and geting big, you cant eat 2 "snitzels" the size of a dogshit a day and grow.

I you just want to get lean its ok. its not for bb purposes.

Bodybuilding means both bulking and cutting. But of course, for bulking, you need to eat more. I would also eat 2 or 3 meals in this case just because I would get sick otherwise.

[wavelength]

What's your opinion of HIIT?

It's what I would do if I did cardio. Just because it doesn't take so long.