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Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« on: July 11, 2009, 08:01:00 AM »
Obama Says Economic Stimulus Worked as Intended, Urges Patience
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By Edwin Chen

July 11 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said his $787 billion stimulus bill “has worked as intended” as he pushed back against Republican criticism that his recovery program has failed to rescue the economy.

“It has already extended unemployment insurance and health insurance to those who have lost their jobs in this recession,” Obama, who is traveling today in Ghana, said in his weekly Saturday radio and Web address. “It has delivered $43 billion in tax relief to American working families and business.”

Were it not for the stimulus program, the president said, “state deficits would be nearly twice as large as they are now, resulting in tens of thousands of additional layoffs -- layoffs that would affect police officers, teachers, and firefighters.”

In the weekly Republican response, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia said the stimulus bill was “full of pork- barrel spending, government waste and massive borrowing cleverly called ‘stimulus.’”

“The plain truth is that President Obama’s economic decisions have not produced jobs, have not produced prosperity, and have not worked,” Cantor said.

He said the Republicans want reductions in tax rates that he said would help middle-class families.

In asking for public patience, Obama said the recovery act “wasn’t designed to restore the economy to full health on its own, but to provide the boost necessary to stop the free fall.”

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Enacted in February, the bill “was designed to spur demand and get people spending again and cushion those who had borne the brunt of the crisis,” the president said.

Obama said the measure “was not designed to work in four months -- it was designed to work over two years.”

The spending plan will “accelerate greatly” through the summer and autumn, launching “thousands more infrastructure projects” that will lead to additional jobs, he said.

“We’re moving in the right direction,” Obama said. “We must let it work the way it’s supposed to, with the understanding that in any recession, unemployment tends to recover more slowly than other measures of economic activity.”

In a Bloomberg interview last month, the president said he expected unemployment rates to exceed 10 percent.

In his radio address, Obama also renewed his commitment to comprehensive health-care legislation that expands insurance coverage while cutting costs. He also vowed to address long-term entitlement reform.

Earlier this week, Vice President Joe Biden also defended the Obama administration’s efforts to rebuild America’s economy, while expressing frustration with those who say progress is too slow.

“Remember, we’re only 140 days into this deal,” Biden said in a speech in Cincinnati. “It’s supposed to take 18 months.”


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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 08:21:29 AM »
Sorry Barry, people in the admin said we'd see results in weeks and months......well?
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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 08:56:03 AM »
Sorry Barry, people in the admin said we'd see results in weeks and months......well?

"People"?

Who said what, and when?  I remember "18 months" being the magic number, from minute 1.

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 08:58:58 AM »
Typical political double speak

What results in weeks and months, we meant <insert bullshit here>

For cripe sake they can't even distribute the money in a timely fashion. I can't wait to see what happens in 18 months when nothing has changed.

What 18 months we meant<insert bullshit here>

Don't you understand us flyover country peons are just to stupid to understand what they meant
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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 09:23:48 AM »
Obama said (and it was debated here greatly) that it'd be end of 2009 before things started to turn around, and a full 18 months before we're recovered.

People here are celebrating failure after 4 months.

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2009, 09:32:57 AM »
Obama said (and it was debated here greatly) that it'd be end of 2009 before things started to turn around, and a full 18 months before we're recovered.

People here are celebrating failure after 4 months.

I'm not celebrating anything, I've seen all this before in the form of Jimmy Carter. His policies are not helping and if anything making it worse. He is the man now not Bush, he can try to play this "economy we inherited" bullshit but he and biden and pelosi and the rest of those fuck stains were the majority for the last 2 years of the Bush presidency. They didn't inherit a fucking thing, they at the very least helped create it. Congess controls the money, so if you think for 1 minute I'm buying what they are selling you are mistaken. The day he was sworn in, was the day that I started holding him resposible for this country and what happens to it.
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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 10:18:39 AM »
Obama said (and it was debated here greatly) that it'd be end of 2009 before things started to turn around, and a full 18 months before we're recovered.

People here are celebrating failure after 4 months.

One of the most basic concepts taught in economics is that any fiscal or monetary policy changes or whatever will take 6-12 months MINIMUM before the effects of them will be seen. Not 100% recovery in 90-180 days.  ::)

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 11:43:07 AM »
Of course nobody can find a metric to track that sooooooo...it becomes another Barry myth.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2009, 11:52:46 AM »
I'm not celebrating anything, I've seen all this before in the form of Jimmy Carter. His policies are not helping and if anything making it worse. He is the man now not Bush, he can try to play this "economy we inherited" bullshit but he and biden and pelosi and the rest of those fuck stains were the majority for the last 2 years of the Bush presidency. They didn't inherit a fucking thing, they at the very least helped create it. Congess controls the money, so if you think for 1 minute I'm buying what they are selling you are mistaken. The day he was sworn in, was the day that I started holding him resposible for this country and what happens to it.

I listened to his radio address today and shit, half of it was him talking about what they've "inherited" and all of that. He even had the balls to say that his huge deficits shouldn't be really questioned because he "inherited" huge deficits and that his "Cap and Trade" + "Health Care" won't add a THING to the "long term" deficits. Huh?

Obama/Biden were in the Senate rubber stamping budgets and bills and were front and center for the train-wreck while it was happening and for Biden, far before it.

"Inherited"? It isn't like these to buffoons appeared out of thin air completely oblivious to the wreck and the disaster.....or maybe they were, who knows.

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2009, 11:59:34 AM »
Of course nobody can find a metric to track that sooooooo...it becomes another Barry myth.

he's using the bush iraq benchmark.  invisible and moving :)

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2009, 12:03:13 PM »
he's using the bush iraq benchmark.  invisible and moving :)

This isn't about Bush. He isn't President anymore and his term ended some time ago.

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2009, 12:03:41 PM »
No 240 he's using the Barry benchmark of look at the shiny coin...don't look at what I'm doing. This has zero to do with Bush. The benchmarks created by Bush's Whitehouse were ones that had very solid metrics. Provinces turned over to the IG, troops trained, Police trained, Power, water, oil, sewer lines created and working. Congress placed their own, some not measurable or attainable..but not closely the same thing as this.
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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2009, 12:13:36 PM »
This isn't about Bush. He isn't President anymore and his term ended some time ago.

Clinton was blamed for 911, which happened 9 months after he left office, because it was planned on his watch.

The economic mess didn't start on jan 20, 2009.  So we get to blame Bush for the next 8 years :)

Don't worry - you'll be able to blame President Obama for everything that happens on the palin administration.

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2009, 12:17:38 PM »
Clinton was blamed for 911, which happened 9 months after he left office, because it was planned on his watch.

The economic mess didn't start on jan 20, 2009.  So we get to blame Bush for the next 8 years :)

Don't worry - you'll be able to blame President Obama for everything that happens on the palin administration.

You're an idiot.

Palin Admin, what the fuck are you talking about? It's 2009 right now. I don't blame Clinton soley for 9/11, the mistakes lay at the feet of many people in D.C. dating far back.

Biden was in the Senate for both of Bushes terms and Obama was in there for 2 years as well....they didn't inherit shit, they knew the score, why? Because they were in the fucking Senate.

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2009, 12:18:33 PM »
You're an idiot.

Well yes, I never denied that.

Palin Admin, what the fuck are you talking about? It's 2009 right now. I don't blame Clinton soley for 9/11, the mistakes lay at the feet of many people in D.C. dating far back.

Biden was in the Senate for both of Bushes terms and Obama was in there for 2 years as well....they didn't inherit shit, they knew the score, why? Because they were in the fucking Senate.

My point is that for the last 8 years, repubs blamed everything on bush's watch on conditions clinton allowed.

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2009, 12:22:02 PM »
Well yes, I never denied that.

My point is that for the last 8 years, repubs blamed everything on bush's watch on conditions clinton allowed.

Yeah, I get it. It's convenient to transfer the blame around as it makes people feel all mushy gushy inside. But I don't see it that way. I'm calling this shit a spade because it's a spade. They were in the Senate and apparently a sleep at the wheel completely because this economy was a "shock" at how "bad" it was, they "misjudged it". To me, that makes it an even worse thing for them to make excuses....where were these two hopeful and changing Senators for the last few years?

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2009, 12:25:15 PM »
911 was bush's fault, not clinton. 

the financial mess was there in sept 2008.  You can blame NEW problems on obama's stim bill, and many of those concerns are legit.

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2009, 01:34:27 PM »
The stimulas is working so well that there is talk of another stimulas package.

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2009, 01:37:19 PM »
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The stimulas is working so well that there is talk of another stimulas package.

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2009, 01:59:44 PM »
Typical political double speak

What results in weeks and months, we meant <insert bullshit here>

For cripe sake they can't even distribute the money in a timely fashion. I can't wait to see what happens in 18 months when nothing has changed.

What 18 months we meant<insert bullshit here>

Don't you understand us flyover country peons are just to stupid to understand what they meant

And when it doesn't work in 18 months, what will Obama's excuse be then....other than his usual push-button "Blame Bush" routine?

The stimulas is working so well that there is talk of another stimulas package.

EXACTLY!!!

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2009, 02:03:01 PM »
911 was bush's fault, not clinton. 

the financial mess was there in sept 2008.  You can blame NEW problems on obama's stim bill, and many of those concerns are legit.

I agree for the most part. President on watch should get the blame. But a Senator that is now president/vice president should not be saying that the damage to the economy was "shocking" and they "misjudged" and talk about how they inherited this and the fiscal deficit etc...why? because A.) They were Senators during this whole mess and B.) Blaming a new huge fiscal apocalypse on the previous admin. is just stupid, you can't run up more deficits and spend more money in the 1st 6 months than every Pres. combined and call yourself responsible.

That's what scares me. If they misjudged this and are shocked by that....just what were they doing in the Senate when this whole thing was blowing up? Where were they? Out for lunch? Taking bribes? Running for President? On the moon? Why weren't they doing their jobs? How could you have a front a center seat to Armageddon and not see what is happening?

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Re: Obama: It's working; Biden: 18 months...
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2009, 02:36:41 PM »
911 was bush's fault, not clinton. 

the financial mess was there in sept 2008.  You can blame NEW problems on obama's stim bill, and many of those concerns are legit.

Ah 9/11 was our governments fault, starting about 30 years ago. Bush was the POTUS at the time so the buck stops there. Obama is the POTUS now so the buck stops there.

I don't care who wants to blame who, there are checks and balances, so all are culpable. These assholes try to act they had no idea what was going on. Well if thats the case then they are lying or completely incompetent, pick which ever makes you feel better.
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2009, 02:48:15 PM »
Pundits blamed Clinton..or looked for other scapegoats. Bush told CIa to get their best into Afghanistan, Bush deployed 3rd Group and had guys on the ground kicking the shit out of the Talibans almost 30 days later. Bush did not whine.....Bush and his admin made their share or mistakes but it appears now adults were in charge. Barry is a whiner, he's a wuss. He's not tough, Biden is a joke. Hil has been shut up.
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2009, 02:52:42 PM »
Pundits blamed Clinton..or looked for other scapegoats. Bush told CIa to get their best into Afghanistan, Bush deployed 3rd Group and had guys on the ground kicking the shit out of the Talibans almost 30 days later. Bush did not whine.....Bush and his admin made their share or mistakes but it appears now adults were in charge. Barry is a whiner, he's a wuss. He's not tough, Biden is a joke. Hil has been shut up.

It is what it is, but I think if America would have showed some backbone when the Iranians over ran our embasy and took hostages, alot of the insanity of the middle east would have atleast been supressed. I strong show of force would have let the nuts know that you don't fuck with the USA.
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2009, 02:58:49 PM »
We're doing a case study of the whole hostage crisis next week. I think Carter new that by then he had failed. He knew he had caved to the Sov's in Afghanistan and that he could not do a damm thing about the hostages. The time to step in was when the Shah was still in power. The US could have forced him to soften policies, elections...allow time to deflate the hate against the gov. We did get SOCOM and Delta out of that crisis, along with the man who stopped the Sovs.
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