Author Topic: Former Juicers, how much did you keep? (Read 3595 times)

just_a_pilgrim · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:17:34 PM »

Quote from: honest on July 22, 2009, 09:52:57 PM

i never really went to high and had plenty of time off in between, no doubt this helps and no doubt having a conservative approach to juicing hurt how far i went in the sport but i also had goals outside the sport and have no regrets. I never used more than a gram of test off season and pre contest for one show where i competed at 110kg i went as high as 2300mg per week last 4 weeks only im over 6 foot which was mainly anadrol stan and cypt, never could handle the prop soreness.
If i use HRT now at 250mg every 10 days i put on 6 kilos above a natural weight. Have no long term issues had all the scans done including cal score tests and various ECG, i think if you use responsibly with good breaks inbetween you will be fine unless there are underlying conditions.

So how do you feel on HRT and do you cycle off it?

honest · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:49:50 PM »

i do cycle off but my bloodwork when on is the same as off, it helps me recovery wise i still love to train and can 5 days per week on hrt as opposed to 3 times per week without it. But it feels nothing like years ago, but i cleaned out for 4 years before coming back and trying HRT. I have done extensive bloodwork post bodybuilding and i can say, whilst i dont feel i abused in comparsion to most i honestly have had issues with my test levels being low even after using HCG and clomid, im not talking 4 weeks later, months later, i would love to hear more opinions from other guys and how their test levels recovered.

just_a_pilgrim · « **Reply #27 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:57:19 PM »

Mine recovered fine (i cleaned out at 24). First year was a bitch.

tbombz · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:01:06 AM »

Quote from: Method101 on July 22, 2009, 05:18:08 PM

they lose everything they gained from the time they start juicing.

hth

not if they started juicing before they had reached their natural limit.

Mussolini · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2009, 04:18:57 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 23, 2009, 12:01:06 AM

not if they started juicing before they had reached their natural limit.

I agree with this. For example lets say my genetic limit is 215 lbs. That is if I put 100% effort into training, diet, recovery I can reach 215 lbs naturally after 10 years of training.

Steroids help you get there faster, and even bigger lets say to around 230-240 lbs. When off steroids even for years at a time, you should still be able to hover around 215-220 as it is your natural limit.

THe reason we see such a dramatic transformation amoungst bodybuilders when they retire is because they likley exceeded there natural limit by 70-80 lbs.

The Wizard of Truth · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2009, 04:39:05 AM »

300lbs with abs

just_a_pilgrim · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2009, 04:55:58 AM »

Quote from: Mussolini on July 23, 2009, 04:18:57 AM

I agree with this. For example lets say my genetic limit is 215 lbs. That is if I put 100% effort into training, diet, recovery I can reach 215 lbs naturally after 10 years of training.

Steroids help you get there faster, and even bigger lets say to around 230-240 lbs. When off steroids even for years at a time, you should still be able to hover around 215-220 as it is your natural limit.

THe reason we see such a dramatic transformation amoungst bodybuilders when they retire is because they likley exceeded there natural limit by 70-80 lbs.

I kind of disagree. The reason the pro's drop a lot is other factors as well like not training or eating the same.

Steroids also take you to another level. Once you've built the muscle on them the muscle won't just disappear if you do what you have to to hold it.

Method101 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2009, 04:57:01 AM »

Quote from: just_a_pilgrim on July 23, 2009, 04:55:58 AM

I kind of disagree. The reason the pro's drop a lot is other factors as well like not training or eating the same.

Steroids also take you to another level. Once you've built the muscle on them the muscle won't just disappear if you do what you have to to hold it.

wrong

Mussolini · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2009, 05:01:29 AM »

Quote from: Method101 on July 23, 2009, 04:57:01 AM

wrong

We dont know how much Arnold is training and eating at the time that pic was taken.

Method101 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2009, 05:04:52 AM »

Quote from: Mussolini on July 23, 2009, 05:01:29 AM

We dont know how much Arnold is training and eating at the time that pic was taken.

Tapeworm · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2009, 05:11:33 AM »

My natty level is a joke (naturally, not juice induced). I blow up like levrone (well...) on a dose of 250/wk, then slide back to tinytittedness over the next six months. Honestly can't say if I'm any farther ahead than if I just plugged along drug free.

just_a_pilgrim · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2009, 05:19:05 AM »

Quote from: Method101 on July 23, 2009, 04:57:01 AM

wrong

Oh sorry your right i mean Arnie looks like he was training and eating the same as when he was juiced there

Never juiced have you

dan18 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2009, 05:42:49 AM »

Quote from: Method101 on July 22, 2009, 05:18:08 PM

they lose everything they gained from the time they start juicing.

hth

If thats the case why juice,if one trains and eats right you can keep some gains and a good shape.people who juice and train like a puss lose all....

jaejonna · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2009, 05:49:51 AM »

Quote from: Okami on July 23, 2009, 04:39:05 AM

300lbs with abs

x2

HICKSON · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2009, 05:50:39 AM »

Quote from: Method101 on July 23, 2009, 05:04:52 AM

How do "skinny" Kevins legs look now?

CalvinH · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2009, 06:46:47 AM »

People actually come off

local hero · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:39:02 AM »

youve got to build a natural base 1st,,, unless you are totaly fucked when u come off...
i went from 16 to 19yr old, training balls to the wall as a natty, used to eat until i felt ill...went from 14st to 19st this way, before i went to the darkside and started competing

Tapeworm · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:52:49 AM »

Quote from: CalvinH on July 23, 2009, 06:46:47 AM

People actually come off

It's not easy to go back to being mortal.

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:58:37 AM »

Quote from: Mussolini on July 22, 2009, 04:30:26 PM

( I know its pathetic to bench more than you squat).

Yeah but you bench just as much, if not more, than most 400 - 500 squatters.

Mussolini · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2009, 07:56:16 PM »

yah I supposed your right man.

Epic_Monster · « **Reply #45 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:00:04 PM »

Quote from: Mussolini on July 22, 2009, 11:57:21 AM

Just curious to all the former juicers gone natural, how big and lean were you at your best, and what are your current stats?

What has changed in your routines besides the drugs?

Thank you for you time.

Apple, orange, cranberry you fuckin name I've had it!

Tombo · « **Reply #46 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:33:53 PM »

all you niggas talking about how 'skinny' people are.. lol pretty sure 100-110kg is not a small/skinny person at 6 foot

PANDAEMONIUM · « **Reply #47 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:58:32 PM »

Quote from: Tombo on July 23, 2009, 08:33:53 PM

all you niggas talking about how 'skinny' people are.. lol pretty sure 100-110kg is not a small/skinny person at 6 foot

This is getbig. Anything under 600,563 lbs at 6 foot is considered borderline anorexic.

Tombo · « **Reply #48 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:02:59 PM »

Quote from: PANDAEMONIUM on July 23, 2009, 10:58:32 PM

This is getbig. Anything under 600,563 lbs at 6 foot is considered borderline anorexic.

i should just give up now then yeah?

PANDAEMONIUM · « **Reply #49 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:07:16 PM »

Quote from: Tombo on July 23, 2009, 11:02:59 PM

i should just give up now then yeah?

Not telling you what to do, but I gave up when I was 3