Author Topic: Misunderstanding about natural limit. (Read 26038 times)

kyomu · « **Reply #25 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:17:46 PM »

Quote from: physicsgeek on August 03, 2009, 01:10:39 PM

Would you not have to be very massive before your cutting phase to be natural and come in 10% body fat at 202 lbs??

No. Thats the juicers way.

I think the natural should consume more protein than juicers plus hard cardio.
With the effect of hard cardio, you can eat enough calory to be big.
I found this truth this time.

jaejonna · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:18:46 PM »

Kymou looks good enough to suck off ...

kyomu · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:20:50 PM »

Quote from: jaejonna on August 03, 2009, 01:18:46 PM

Kymou looks good enough to suck off ...

Thanx. Boss.

Lord Humungous · « **Reply #28 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:24:37 PM »

Kyomu= smarter and more realistic than G15

DK II · « **Reply #29 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:29:22 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 03, 2009, 01:17:46 PM

No. Thats the juicers way.

I think the natural should consume more protein than juicers plus hard cardio.
With the effect of hard cardio, you can eat enough calory to be big.
I found this truth this time.

i works for me.

kyomu · « **Reply #30 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:36:36 PM »

Quote from: Lord Humungous on August 03, 2009, 01:24:37 PM

Kyomu= smarter and more realistic than G15

Some time i feel that he is not that stupid.
Just he is a drug dealer and he must act like that. Who knows?

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #31 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:36:57 PM »

Each of us has access to the needed sources like good food, a decent gym and more. I think it's rather a lack of will power, ambition and knowledge for most people.

kyomu · « **Reply #32 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:39:09 PM »

Quote from: DroppingPlates on August 03, 2009, 01:36:57 PM

Each of us has access to the needed sources like good food, a decent gym and more. I think it's rather a lack of will power, ambition and knowledge for most people.

Yes, if we want to talk about the natural limit, we must do every effort to be big and cut naturaly before it.

turnerg31 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:52:12 PM »

I found for myself, that it all depends on my diet. As a natural bodybuilder I can take my physique to pretty good size and muscularity if I consume a lot of calories and train heavy. I had a job in Kosovo for two years, where I was Recreation Manager for the US Facilities throughout the country. I ran the gyms and rec centers. I lived on base and had access to several 24hr dining facilities and all the food I could eat (for free) everyday. Quality food, I might add. I took absolutely no drugs and managed to put on some good size and increase my strength pretty well. check out these pics from 2001 when I was in Kosovo. The great thing about being natural is you don't have to worry about the roller coaster of up and down size. I've been able to keep my mass for.......well, for as long as I can remember.

Pat

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #34 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:53:10 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 03, 2009, 12:39:00 PM

When did you start bbing?

And also, your post reveal that you are not big.
If you are a big bber, you can believe what i am saying.

This is true.

I enjoy watching the tiny tits flail away, unwilling to accept their inferiority.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #35 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:55:15 PM »

Quote from: physicsgeek on August 03, 2009, 01:10:39 PM

Would you not have to be very massive before your cutting phase to be natural and come in 10% body fat at 202 lbs??

Yeah, atleast 240-250 while not being too fat. Good luck with that.

And we are talking about average height bodybuilder right? Around 175 cm, 5"9.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #36 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:56:43 PM »

Quote from: #1 Klaus fan on August 03, 2009, 01:55:15 PM

Yeah, atleast 240-250 while not being too fat. Good luck with that.

I'm 252 as of yesterday

kyomu · « **Reply #37 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:00:02 PM »

Quote from: turnerg31 on August 03, 2009, 01:52:12 PM

I found for myself, that it all depends on my diet. As a natural bodybuilder I can take my physique to pretty good size and muscularity if I consume a lot of calories and train heavy. I had a job in Kosovo for two years, where I was Recreation Manager for the US Facilities throughout the country. I ran the gyms and rec centers. I lived on base and had access to several 24hr dining facilities and all the food I could eat (for free) everyday. Quality food, I might add. I took absolutely no drugs and managed to put on some good size and increase my strength pretty well. check out these pics from 2001 when I was in Kosovo. The great thing about being natural is you don't have to worry about the roller coaster of up and down size. I've been able to keep my mass for.......well, for as long as I can remember.

Pat

Do you have a mandatory pose pic that i can see your skin tone?

DK II · « **Reply #38 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:00:29 PM »

Quote from: turnerg31 on August 03, 2009, 01:52:12 PM

I found for myself, that it all depends on my diet. As a natural bodybuilder I can take my physique to pretty good size and muscularity if I consume a lot of calories and train heavy. I had a job in Kosovo for two years, where I was Recreation Manager for the US Facilities throughout the country. I ran the gyms and rec centers. I lived on base and had access to several 24hr dining facilities and all the food I could eat (for free) everyday. Quality food, I might add. I took absolutely no drugs and managed to put on some good size and increase my strength pretty well. check out these pics from 2001 when I was in Kosovo. The great thing about being natural is you don't have to worry about the roller coaster of up and down size. I've been able to keep my mass for.......well, for as long as I can remember.

Pat

nice sunglasses, Pat!!

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #39 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:01:07 PM »

Quote from: Groink on August 03, 2009, 01:53:10 PM

This is true.

I enjoy watching the tiny tits flail away, unwilling to accept their inferiority.

Well of course I'm a tiny tit, I am true natural.

turnerg31 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:06:47 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 03, 2009, 02:00:02 PM

Do you have a mandatory pose pic that i can see your skin tone?

No, I'm not a competitive bodybuilder so when I take pics they don't get much better than that. If I come across anything I'll post it. Remember, those pics were almost ten years ago. Oh, by the way, the guy with me in the last pic. is country singer Toby Keith. He did a tour for the troops over there.

I took this pic the other day while training in Sri Lanka. The camera was crap but at least it's recent. (last week-never mind the date on the pic)

turnerg31 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:09:40 PM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on August 03, 2009, 02:00:29 PM

nice sunglasses, Pat!!

Come on, give me a break. They were prescription and that was 10 yrs ago. Oh wait a minute, I still have those. My bad.

kyomu · « **Reply #42 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:11:44 PM »

Quote from: turnerg31 on August 03, 2009, 02:06:47 PM

No, I'm not a competitive bodybuilder so when I take pics they don't get much better than that. If I come across anything I'll post it. Remember, those pics were almost ten years ago. Oh, by the way, the guy with me in the last pic. is country singer Toby Keith. He did a tour for the troops over there.

I took this pic the other day while training in Sri Lanka. The camera was crap but at least it's recent. (last week-never mind the date on the pic)

You are a quite huge bodybuilder.
Honestly I cant trust you until seeing your skin tone.
Sorry for suspecting you since many liar in the bbing world.
But if you are truely natural,Conglats to your achivement.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #43 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:15:30 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 03, 2009, 02:11:44 PM

Sorry for suspecting you since many liar in the bbing world.

Yep.

kyomu · « **Reply #44 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:17:10 PM »

Quote from: #1 Klaus fan on August 03, 2009, 02:15:30 PM

Yep.

You are they guy who reject a "easy" bet.
Remeber.

just_a_pilgrim · « **Reply #45 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:17:34 PM »

Depends upon genetics too. I've seen guys who can get extremely lean (contest ready) who are clean. Carry good size too although one never trained his legs so i guess he held the fat there. On gear or off i could never get as lean as these guys.

turnerg31 · « **Reply #46 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:17:53 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 03, 2009, 02:11:44 PM

You are a quite huge bodybuilder.
Honestly I cant trust you until seeing your skin tone.
Sorry for suspecting you since many liar in the bbing world.
But if you are truely natural,Conglats to your achivement.

I just finished taking a four week cycle of Decabolen, which I really didn't find to do much for me. Last year I did a Superdrol/Phere Plex Cycle and I could really see the gains with that one. I went from 218 to 230 and my strength shot up. Of course I went back down to the 218 range shortly after finishing the cycle. Besides that, I've been pretty much the same size, with measurable fluctuations throughout the years. Obviously depending how my training and dieting is going I will get more or less sharper but I've been about the same size for years. Right now I'm 5'9 and weigh 217 to 220.

Pat

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #47 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:20:18 PM »

Quote from: turnerg31 on August 03, 2009, 02:17:53 PM

I just finished taking a four week cycle of Decabolen, which I really didn't find to do much for me. Last year I did a Superdrol/Phere Plex Cycle and I could really see the gains with that one. I went from 218 to 230 and my strength shot up. Of course I went back down to the 218 range shortly after finishing the cycle. Besides that, I've been pretty much the same size, with measurable fluctuations throughout the years. Obviously depending how my training and dieting is going I will get more or less sharper but I've been about the same size for years. Right now I'm 5'9 and weigh 217 to 220.

Pat

Phew, for a second I thought you weren't natural.

kyomu · « **Reply #48 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:22:41 PM »

Quote from: turnerg31 on August 03, 2009, 02:17:53 PM

I just finished taking a four week cycle of Decabolen, which I really didn't find to do much for me. Last year I did a Superdrol/Phere Plex Cycle and I could really see the gains with that one. I went from 218 to 230 and my strength shot up. Of course I went back down to the 218 range shortly after finishing the cycle. Besides that, I've been pretty much the same size, with measurable fluctuations throughout the years. Obviously depending how my training and dieting is going I will get more or less sharper but I've been about the same size for years. Right now I'm 5'9 and weigh 217 to 220.

Pat

How about the hardness? Did you see any change with that prohormone cycle?

turnerg31 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:23:05 PM »

Oh, I forgot to add, although I don't compete, I love the sport. I don't have anything against someone who decides to take steroids. I work as a defense contractor for the US Govt for the past 15 yrs and as such I am subject to routine drug tests. As long as I can purchase the product legally over the counter I'm not worried. That's why I tried the Superdrol/Phere Plex and the Decabolen. If I get tested then it's on big deal. I'm not competing so it really isn't a matter of an unfair advantage.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Pat