Update on Forrest Griffin

[George Whorewell]

I agree Forrest is limited talent wise, but cmon, some of you guys are being unfair.

He beat Shogun, he beat Rampage and I personally feel like he got screwed in the Tito Ortiz fight.

He also had the most memorable TUF finale fight I have ever seen in his bloodbath throwdown against Stefan Bonnar.

Hes a tough guy, a hard worker and he always brings it. Losing by KO to Anderson Silva is nothing to be ashamed of. In case nobody noticed, he hasn't lost a fight since entering the UFC and he only ( arguably) lost one round which was to Henderson.

Silva is pound for pound the best in the world ( With Fedor, Machida and GSP your other arguments). What you saw Silva do, he would do to nearly everyone at 205.

[mame09]

i thought i was the only one who can tell between a fighter and an athlete.

forrest is not a fighter just like gsp and others. while mma is still young it may take another 10 years to weed out the athletes who have no business in fighting sport period. i hope it doesnt turn into the current state of boxing where no one wants to hurt there opponent out of respect

[coltrane]

i thought i was the only one who can tell between a fighter and an athlete.

forrest is not a fighter just like gsp and others. while mma is still young it may take another 10 years to weed out the athletes who have no business in fighting sport period. i hope it doesnt turn into the current state of boxing where no one wants to hurt there opponent out of respect

GSP isn't a fighter?  Youre a f'ing moron dude.  Go away

[George Whorewell]

Mame you have it 110% backward

GSP and Silva= World Class Athletes who happen to be excellent fighters

Forrest and Keith Jardines=  Decent Fighters with lots of heart who are not great athletes 

[noworries]

i thought i was the only one who can tell between a fighter and an athlete.

forrest is not a fighter just like gsp and others. while mma is still young it may take another 10 years to weed out the athletes who have no business in fighting sport period. i hope it doesnt turn into the current state of boxing where no one wants to hurt there opponent out of respect

Are you dyslexic

[mame09]

Mame you have it 110% backward

GSP and Silva= World Class Athletes who happen to be excellent fighters

Forrest and Keith Jardines=  Decent Fighters with lots of heart who are not great athletes 

gsp is a great athlete no doubt about it. but he tapped due to strikes which makes you a pussy and not a fighter. a fighter is someone who just keeps on fighting back like shamrock and doesnt give in.

i never liked silva. but he is meant to be in a fighting sport. he has got reach, power, accuracy and a good tank

forrest and jardine have heart but have no business in fighting sports because the first thing you have to have in a fighting sport is a good punch. if you dont have that you dont belong in the fighting arena.

when i watched silva vs forrest i was expecting a good match instead forrest got raped and couldnt land a single punch or a take down.

[Signifying Monkey]

gsp is a great athlete no doubt about it. but he tapped due to strikes which makes you a pussy and not a fighter. 

I stopped reading here

[SinCitysmallGUY]

gsp is a great athlete no doubt about it. but he tapped due to strikes which makes you a pussy and not a fighter. a fighter is someone who just keeps on fighting back like shamrock and doesnt give in.

i never liked silva. but he is meant to be in a fighting sport. he has got reach, power, accuracy and a good tank

forrest and jardine have heart but have no business in fighting sports because the first thing you have to have in a fighting sport is a good punch. if you dont have that you dont belong in the fighting arena.

when i watched silva vs forrest i was expecting a good match instead forrest got raped and couldnt land a single punch or a take down.

To each their own, but this is crazy to me. Plenty of fighters have gotten very far without punching power. ALA Gracie (just one example), this is mixed martial arts, which means you can kick, do JJ, elbow, wrestle, etc.. Yeah guys need to know how to throw a punch, but you don't have to be Mike Tyson.


Tapping due to strikes does not make you a pussy. It means that you get to fight another day, I take it you watch the sport but have never trained  or  fought? No reason to take punishment if you know your not getting out of it. That is like saying tapping from an arm bar makes you a pussy.. Which means   being a dumb fuck like Tim Sylvia and letting Ol Boy break your arm, so you can't fight, which means you don't eat for some of these guys would suck!!!

If you tap from strikes your suspension is shorter, if you get knociked out then your not training or fighting for an  even longer period.

Just my two cents, oh and Forrest belongs in this sport as much as Fedor does.

[George Whorewell]

According to Mame Chuck Lidell never fought anyone and Fedor is a pussy. His opinion is as useful as snake mittens.

[mame09]

According to Mame Chuck Lidell never fought anyone and Fedor is a pussy. His opinion is as useful as snake mittens.

i do think chuck is shit. always said it always will. u get fed 99% of your career wrestlers then when he fights against a fighter with good hands he gets mauled.

fedor is the best there is, best there was and the best there ever will be. no one can deny that

[mame09]

To each their own, but this is crazy to me. Plenty of fighters have gotten very far without punching power. ALA Gracie (just one example), this is mixed martial arts, which means you can kick, do JJ, elbow, wrestle, etc.. Yeah guys need to know how to throw a punch, but you don't have to be Mike Tyson.

this isnt 1992 where everyone came in with 1 background, this is 2009 and you have to be well rounded in all aspects. do you have to have a tyson punch? no you dont but at the same time you cant be in mma with shitty stand up like forrest.


Tapping due to strikes does not make you a pussy. It means that you get to fight another day, I take it you watch the sport but have never trained  or  fought? No reason to take punishment if you know your not getting out of it. That is like saying tapping from an arm bar makes you a pussy.. Which means   being a dumb fuck like Tim Sylvia and letting Ol Boy break your arm, so you can't fight, which means you don't eat for some of these guys would suck!!!

when you are in a submission and you cant escape you tap. i got no problem with tapping via submission because you can pop shoulders and break bones. but when you get tko'd by matt sera who is mainly a submission fighter you start asking questions regarding whether the fight is not going his way can he make a come back

If you tap from strikes your suspension is shorter, if you get knociked out then your not training or fighting for an  even longer period.

if you have ever fought competitively you would know that even is they do give you a suspension for a long period of time you take 2 weeks of max and then go back to training depending if nothing is seriously hurting you like a broken limb.

Just my two cents, oh and Forrest belongs in this sport as much as Fedor does.

[WeightPSHR]

i do think chuck is shit. always said it always will. u get fed 99% of your career wrestlers then when he fights against a fighter with good hands he gets mauled.

fedor is the best there is, best there was and the best there ever will be. no one can deny that

I will agree with you on one thing...Fedor is the best there was
Too bad he has been fighting cans since the mid 2000's

[Mrdibbs]

I will agree with you on one thing...Fedor is the best there was
Too bad he has been fighting cans since the mid 2000's

He fought people my sister could beat

[HDPhysiques]

I will agree with you on one thing...Fedor is the best there was
Too bad he has been fighting cans since the mid 2000's

I'm not even convinced of "was", either. 

[RxBandit]

He fought people my sister could beat

I would love to see her against CroCop and Minotauro.

[Mrdibbs]

I would love to see her against CroCop and Minotauro.

Or Coleman or randleman, hell she even may lie underneath a 350 pound hongman choi and armbar the fuck out of him 

[Capt._America]

I want to be clear; I am not a hater nor I am  saying Griffin is a horrible fighter or belittling his accomplishments.  Recently, with the fall of arlovski, sylvia and now griffin, it makes you realize how short the shelf life is for an MMA fighter which  makes Silva, Fedor and probably Machida, barring injury, all the more unusual.

excellent point, long term success in mma is very rare, Forrest was a very good, not great fighter, but hell, when he fights you know it will be entertaining to say the very least, honestly, I think he has become too civilized, was better when he came to the cage just to kick ass, no crazy plan, just hit or be hit, besides, Silva is a beast 

[George Whorewell]

Some of you guys seem to like sensationalizing shit--- How is this the "fall" of Forrest Griffin?

He lost to an undefeated Rashad Evans and the best pound for pound fighter in the world in Anderson Silva-- Before that he had the 205 belt and had scored victories over Rampage, Shogun, Bonnar and others + he lost a split decision to Tito back when Tito was good ( I felt he won the fight personally).

When you fight the best opponents, your bound to lose sometimes. I would hardly call back to back losses to the best the UFC has to offer a "fall".


Sylvia fell off because people finally figured out ( as if it wasnt blatantly obvious) how to fight him+ Sylvia is a slow, uncoordinated, one dimensonal kickboxer who has zero submission ability. Sylvia was never that good to begin with.

Arlovski got knocked out by Fedor-- Nothing to be ashamed of there. As far as his recent losses go, hes got all the physical tools, but he just makes stupid decisions in the ring and doesnt listen to his corner. If he came back and fought in the UFC heavyweight division now, he would be an immediate contender imo.

All 3 of these guys could still be effective in MMA-- (sylvia not so much) And Arlovski could seriously contend for a title. Forrest can be a top flight contender again, but he is simply not as talented as the best 205 has to offer.

[noworries]

Some of you guys seem to like sensationalizing shit--- How is this the "fall" of Forrest Griffin?

He lost to an undefeated Rashad Evans and the best pound for pound fighter in the world in Anderson Silva-- Before that he had the 205 belt and had scored victories over Rampage, Shogun, Bonnar and others + he lost a split decision to Tito back when Tito was good ( I felt he won the fight personally).

When you fight the best opponents, your bound to lose sometimes. I would hardly call back to back losses to the best the UFC has to offer a "fall".


Sylvia fell off because people finally figured out ( as if it wasnt blatantly obvious) how to fight him+ Sylvia is a slow, uncoordinated, one dimensonal kickboxer who has zero submission ability. Sylvia was never that good to begin with.

Arlovski got knocked out by Fedor-- Nothing to be ashamed of there. As far as his recent losses go, hes got all the physical tools, but he just makes stupid decisions in the ring and doesnt listen to his corner. If he came back and fought in the UFC heavyweight division now, he would be an immediate contender imo.

All 3 of these guys could still be effective in MMA-- (sylvia not so much) And Arlovski could seriously contend for a title. Forrest can be a top flight contender again, but he is simply not as talented as the best 205 has to offer.

Yea how can it be the end for Forest when you guys said it was the end for BJ too.

[americanbulldog]

Forrest is a grinder, with a ton of heart, great chin.  Not the most athletically inclined.  As MMA becomes more lucrative, you will see better and better athletes.  The challenge with gifted athletes, no matter what sport is desire.  Look at Michael Vick.  He admitted he half heartedly tried during his career, and he did so because he could.  Someone like GSP, Anderson Silva are fighters who are stud athletes and have applied themselves to making themselves the best they can be.  Silva got his black belt in BJJ a couple of years ago from Minotauro.  He filled the hole in his game.  (A former Chute Boxe fighter with great stand up, but suspect sub defense).  GSP is constantly improving, and showed tremendous heart in the Alves fight. 

Forrest will always have a place in the UFC because he brings it.  He was winning the Evans fight before Rashad got the takedown and finished him with a brutal GNP.  Guys like GSP, Anderson, Machida, Lesnar, BJ are the new breed.  Great athletes with complete skill set and little holes in their games. 

[coltrane]

Forrest is a grinder, with a ton of heart, great chin.  Not the most athletically inclined.  As MMA becomes more lucrative, you will see better and better athletes.  The challenge with gifted athletes, no matter what sport is desire.  Look at Michael Vick.  He admitted he half heartedly tried during his career, and he did so because he could.  Someone like GSP, Anderson Silva are fighters who are stud athletes and have applied themselves to making themselves the best they can be.  Silva got his black belt in BJJ a couple of years ago from Minotauro.  He filled the hole in his game.  (A former Chute Boxe fighter with great stand up, but suspect sub defense).  GSP is constantly improving, and showed tremendous heart in the Alves fight. 

Forrest will always have a place in the UFC because he brings it.  He was winning the Evans fight before Rashad got the takedown and finished him with a brutal GNP.  Guys like GSP, Anderson, Machida, Lesnar, BJ are the new breed.  Great athletes with complete skill set and little holes in their games. 

How the hell are you putting Lesnar's name in there with that grouping?  The guy is barely tested.  And he's "complete"?  He's a great wrestler, but that's about it.  COme on now.

[Mrdibbs]

How the hell are you putting Lesnar's name in there with that grouping?  The guy is barely tested.  And he's "complete"?  He's a great wrestler, but that's about it.  COme on now.

You are forgetting that he has a great chin! He can take wired baseball bats and chairs to the chin without trouble

[americanbulldog]

How the hell are you putting Lesnar's name in there with that grouping?  The guy is barely tested.  And he's "complete"?  He's a great wrestler, but that's about it.  COme on now.

Lets see, dominated Randy Couture, a former Greco Roman Olympic team member.  Beat Frank Mir, a BJJ black belt in devastating fashion.  (He was beating down Mir in the first fight before the inane standup by porn stache Mazagatti).  Beat Heath Herring by BEATDOWN.  He is a former Div National Champion and All american.  JUCO all American wrestler who is big, fast, strong.  He has picked up his BJJ game by training with Compreido Medeiros (he was raving about his transitions when he did a seminar in Hawaii).  Although his striking is limited, he has one punch KO power.  My point was, better and better athletes are fighting MMA, and the new breed is that stud athlete who works toward getting their game complete.  Lesnar is so freakishly athletic, the little holes in his game can't be exploited. 

[Mrdibbs]

Lets see, dominated Randy Couture, a former Greco Roman Olympic team member.  Beat Frank Mir, a BJJ black belt in devastating fashion.  (He was beating down Mir in the first fight before the inane standup by porn stache Mazagatti).  Beat Heath Herring by BEATDOWN.  He is a former Div National Champion and All american.  JUCO all American wrestler who is big, fast, strong.  He has picked up his BJJ game by training with Compreido Medeiros (he was raving about his transitions when he did a seminar in Hawaii).  Although his striking is limited, he has one punch KO power.  My point was, better and better athletes are fighting MMA, and the new breed is that stud athlete who works toward getting their game complete.  Lesnar is so freakishly athletic, the little holes in his game can't be exploited. 

Who did he KO in one punch besides ''kurt angle'' and ''steve austin''

[George Whorewell]

Dude- Lesnar is a great athlete but so far to say he's been tested is absurd.

He's 4-1 and his wins came against a 76 year old Randy Coture who was outweighed by 80 pounds, an equally ancient Heath Herring that was clearly out of shape (Lesnar couldnt finish him either) and Frank Mir, who by anyones measurement is vastly overated and spent the whole fight on his back trying to finesse another cheap ass heel hook type submission victory. Everyone drank the Kool Aid when he finished the 48 year old Noguerra for the first time--- neglecting to mention Noguerra was suffering from like 3 different injuries and had like a 200 degree fever.

Brocks big and mean and a world class wrestler. However, thus far all he's shown hes been able to do is take naps on his ridiculously undersized opponents and throw hammer fists or hooks from the bottom.

Brock may develop into one of those elite guys down the road, but right now-- he isn't a pimple on Silva's, GSP's, Fedor's or Machida's asses IMO. He's just a gigantic hungry wrestler with a mean streak that is taking advantage of a shit poor joke of a heavyweight divison.  The elite guys have fought the best of the best in their weight classes and dominated repeatedly.