Dorian vs Nasser

[keanu]

If Dorian's buddies were the judges, and Nasser is at least 3x Olympia, then what about all the guys that placed ahead of Nasser that were not named Yates?

1997 San Jose Pro Invitational, 2nd
1998 Arnold Classic, 2nd
1998 Grand Prix Finland, 3rd
1998 Grand Prix Germany, 3rd
1998 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
1999 Arnold Classic, 1st
1999 Grand Prix England, 6th
1999 Mr. Olympia, 6th
1999 World Pro Championships, 6th
2000 Mr. Olympia, 5th
2001 Mr. Olympia, 9th
2002 Arnold Classic, 10th
2002 Mr. Olympia, 15th
2004 Night of Champions, 15th
2004 Show of Strength Pro Championship, 14th
2005 Europa Supershow, 14th

Here is the contest results of Nasser after Yates retired. Besides 1 Arnold Classic he was smoked by plenty of other guys. So instead of Dorian vs nasser it should be "all the guys that beat him vs him." If his prime was from 97 - 99...

Here are his results in '97 excluding the Olympia meeting with Yates. it's not like Nasser isn't getting beat by others.

1997 Arnold Classic, 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic, 3rd
1997 Grand Prix England, 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Finland, 4th
1997 Grand Prix Germany, 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Hungary, 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Russia, 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Spain, 2nd

I'm not surprised to see that the Arab nation cannot provide one single arguement/explanation for my post last night. They are praying to Allah for some insight but all Allah can provide are fat, hairy Arab virgins, lol.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not surprised to see that the Arab nation cannot provide one single arguement/explanation for my post last night. They are praying to Allah for some insight but all Allah can provide are fat, hairy Arab virgins, lol.

Ah it's easy to stump those guys , you beat them over the head with logic

[Hulkster]

exactly it's conditioning , size , balance , posing , presentation , completeness , all rolled up in every single pose from every single angle

 

[Hulkster]

exactly it's conditioning , size , balance , posing , presentation , completeness , all rolled up in every single pose from every single angle

and yet ronnie at his best is even better:

[keanu]

and yet ronnie at his best is even better:

Ronnie is great no doubt but hardly unbeatable. Gunter smoked him in his prime. Overall though Ronnie set a new standard. i think he was great until about 2002, then he started slipping.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie is great no doubt but hardly unbeatable. Gunter smoked him in his prime. Overall though Ronnie set a new standard. i think he was great until about 2002, then he started slipping.

LOL the 2002 show of strength was NOT ronnie's prime..

and gunter didnt smoke him.

it was an IFBB ploy to stir up interest and sell tickets for the Olympia, even bodybuilding.com says this, and it worked quite well.

unfortunately for ronnie, of course..

[NarcissisticDeity]

and yet ronnie at his best is even better:

yawn , sure he is.

[Hulkster]

yawn , sure he is.

the pics and vids show this quite clearly.

you can't change real life.

[NarcissisticDeity]

the pics and vids show this quite clearly.

you can't change real life.

yup like pics and vids so Dorian lost in 1993 and Ronnie has more detailed calves and Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , the pics and vids show what you want and ' real life ' isn't anywhere neat what you see 

if what you typed were true you wouldn't be trying so damn hard to convince everyone else it's true 

keep looking stupid I'll keep pointing it out 

[Mr.1derful]

LOL the 2002 show of strength was NOT ronnie's prime..

and gunter didnt did smoke him.

it was an IFBB ploy to stir up interest and sell tickets for the Olympia, even bodybuilding.com says this, and it worked quite well.

unfortunately for ronnie, of course..

You've got a conspiracy theory and excuse for everything.  Ronnie got beat by second tier bodybuilder, deal with it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL the 2002 show of strength was NOT ronnie's prime..

and gunter didnt smoke him.

it was an IFBB ploy to stir up interest and sell tickets for the Olympia, even bodybuilding.com says this, and it worked quite well.

unfortunately for ronnie, of course..

when confronted with REAL LIFE what does Hulkster do? post pics that show exactly why Ronnie got his ass handed to him and cry politics , predictable , ignorant and stupid .

yawn

[NarcissisticDeity]

You've got a conspiracy theory and excuse for everything.  Ronnie got beat by second tier bodybuilder, deal with it.

Ronnie could never dominate like Dorian did , Gunther and Jay beat him soundly

Hulkster is an excuse it's all he has left

[Mr. Magoo]

exactly it's conditioning , size , balance , posing , presentation , completeness , all rolled up in every single pose from every single angle

aren't balance and completeness the same thing

and posing and presentation the same thing?

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

aren't balance and completeness the same thing

and posing and presentation the same thing?

 

No balance isn't the same as being complete one can have a balanced physique and still not be complete Nasser missing a back and proportionate forearms , same with Dillett same back issues both have pretty balanced physiques but incomplete ,

posing and presentation are sorta the same but one can go out there and hit shots and not put to much emphasis on stage presentation , presentation is more how you portray your self with confidence and have a winning attitude , they used to say Dorian walked around the stage like he owned it and he did , Dorian wasn't a great poser per'sa he was a very good technical poser he always hit the mandatory poses correctly and his presentation reflected his attitude that he was the best and knew it

Shawn Ray also had very great posing skills and his presentation was always top notch , in contrast to someone like Paul Dillett who couldn't hold a pose , shaked uncontrollably and looked like he wanted off that stage a.s.a.p , Flex had great presentation as well 

[keanu]

LOL the 2002 show of strength was NOT ronnie's prime..

and gunter didnt smoke him.

it was an IFBB ploy to stir up interest and sell tickets for the Olympia, even bodybuilding.com says this, and it worked quite well.

unfortunately for ronnie, of course..

Gunter, at least 4x Mr. Olympia. Everytime someone losses it's a conspiracy around here. Ronnie was smooth and off at prejudging. He tightened up towards the end but not enough. Who cares about Olympia tickets sales. That's not where the money is. The real money is made in the supplement market. If they wanted to market a guy to promote and generate cash they would have made Gunter 10x Mr. Olympia. Ronnie, Dorian, Lee Haney for all the Olympia's they won didn't generate much interest.

[Mr.1derful]

the pics and vids show this quite clearly.

you can't change real life.

Real life aint pics and vids you f*cking tool .lol   Funny, I don't see Ronnie's name in the title of the thread, it's Dorian vs Nasser.  Gee, Wonder how Ronnie came into the picture? 

[Hulkster]

ronnie came into the picture because your bitch ND had to get in his troll comment as always:



Time will crown the king


    Re: Dorian vs Nasser
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2009, 04:21:13 PM » Quote 

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Yet neither could beat Dorian ever   
 

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ND always brings Ronnie into any dorian thread.

 
 
 

[Mr.1derful]

ronnie came into the picture because your bitch ND had to get in his troll comment as always:



Time will crown the king


    Re: Dorian vs Nasser
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2009, 04:21:13 PM » Quote 

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Yet neither could beat Dorian ever   
 

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ND always brings Ronnie into any dorian thread.

 
 
 

I smell bullshit, and you haven't got the boots for it, Huckster.

[Hulkster]

Real life aint pics and vids you f*cking tool

your only saying that because its clear that a 99 ronnie would crush dorian

if the vids showed it the other way around, you'd be rallying that pics and vids are real evidence (which they are)

you only discredit them because they work against your agenda and show dorian not coming close..

how sad.

[bigbobs]

All these pics posted of Dorian totally relaxed mean nothing.  Afterall, he spent almost the whole show standing on the side watching everyone else get compared for 2nd! 
These are two of the best front relaxed shots I have seen of any bodybuilder in any contest.

How are those two shots of his front relaxed pose any better than the ones where he's not standing alone?  The only difference is here he's holding his arms further apart.  His front relaxed pose was one of the worst of the top 5/6 competitors during his era, and well behind Nasser's.  He even said himself during his commentary of the 97 Olympia that Nasser had him in thise pose.

[Mr.1derful]

your only saying that because its clear that a 99 ronnie would crush dorian

if the vids showed it the other way around, you'd be rallying that pics and vids are real evidence (which they are)

you only discredit them because they work against your agenda and show dorian not coming close..

how sad.

Real life, is your ebony hero never coming close to Yates in competition. Real life, is Ronnie stating himself that if Dorian had kept on competing that he would have kept on winning.  Real life, is Gunter, a second tier pro who needed special invites to the Olympia, kicking Ronnie's ass at the GNC.  Real life, is Jay Cutler dethroning Ronnie and taking his title away.  Unlike Dorian, who retired as a champ.  But rather than confront the realities of real life, you'd rather lose yourself in a false and delusional world of your own design, where sharpened pics are equated with reality and champions don't need calves.  At the mere mention of Dorian's name, you reach for your zipper, cause you just can't help yourself.  Trolling is all you know, it is what you are.  

[Hulkster]

How are those two shots of his front relaxed pose any better than the ones where he's not standing alone?  The only difference is here he's holding his arms further apart.  His front relaxed pose was one of the worst of the top 5/6 competitors during his era, and well behind Nasser's.  He even said himself during his commentary of the 97 Olympia that Nasser had him in thise pose.

these guys need any angle/excuse they can get..

fact is, even the competitors that placed OUT OF THE TOP 10 had a better relaxed front shot than dorian.

why?

because he had a powerlifter type physique, not a classic bodybuilder type..unlike Ronald Dean Coleman

[bigbobs]

I'm not surprised to see that the Arab nation cannot provide one single arguement/explanation for my post last night. They are praying to Allah for some insight but all Allah can provide are fat, hairy Arab virgins, lol.

It's called having a life outside of getbig.com and therefore not taking the time to respond to each and every silly post.  But since you quoted yourself again I'll be nice and take the time to respond to you

Nasser's prime was 95 to mid-99.  During that time he got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows, which is a pretty consistent record:

1995 Houston Pro Show First pro-show win. 1st
1995 NOC (NYC) 1st
1995 Mr. Olympia (Atlanta) 3rd
1995 Spain Pro Show 3rd
1995 Germany Pro Show 3rd
1995 England Pro Show 4th
1995 Russia Pro Show 3rd
1995 France Pro Show 3rd
1995 Ukraine Pro Show 2nd
1996 Mr. Olympia (Chicago) 3rd
1996 Spain Pro Show 3rd
1996 German Pro Show 2nd
1996 England Pro Show 2nd
1996 Czech Pro Show 1st
1996 Swiss Pro Show 1st
1996 Russia Pro Show 1st
1997 Arnold Classic (Columbus, Ohio) 2nd
1997 San Jose Pro Show 2nd
1997 Mr. Olympia (Long Beach) 2nd
1997 Hungary Pro Show 2nd
1997 Spain Pro Show 2nd
1997 Germany Pro Show 2nd
1997 England Pro Show 3rd
1997 Czech Pro Show 3rd
1997 Finland Pro Show 4th
1997 Russia Pro Show 3rd
1998 Arnold Classic (Columbus, Ohio) 2nd
1998 Mr. Olympia (NYC) 3rd
1998 Germany Pro Show 3rd
1998 Finland Pro Show 3rd
1999 Arnold Classic (Columbus, Ohio) 1st

Many of those 2nd and 3rd placings would have been 1st and 2nd if he was on more favourable terms with (by sucking up to) key IFBB officials.  Anyone who knows Nasser personally knows he speaks his mind and calls it like he sees it, and doing this a few times behind the scenes over his career put him on the bad side of Manion and others with influence.  Details will be in his upcoming book.

There are several reasons why his placings declined in the later years of his career, one of the major factors was the divorce with his wife which took a huge emotional toll at the time and also left him without the prevoius support he had in preparing his meals and helping in general with his contest prep.  Regardless, 29 top 3 placings in 31 consecutive shows over 5 of the most competitive years in bb history is a very major achievement regardless of what haters like to say.

[keanu]

1999 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic
March 6 at Columbus, Ohio at Veterans Memorial Auditorium
1    Nasser El Sonbaty    Yugoslavia    5    10    6    5    26

1998 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic
March 7 at Columbus, Ohio at Veterans Memorial Auditorium
1    Flex Wheeler    USA    $100,000
2    Nasser El Sonbaty    Yugoslavia    $45,000

1998 Mr. Olympia Results
October 10, 1998 at New York, New York
1  Ronnie Coleman  USA  17  5  5  5  32 
2  Flex Wheeler  USA  5  10  10  10  35 
3  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia  11  16  17  16  60 

1998 Grand Prix Germany Results
October 17, 1998 at Duisburg
1  Ronnie Coleman  USA 
2  Kevin Levrone  USA 
3  Nassar El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 

1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic
March 1 at Columbus, Ohio
1    Flex Wheeler    USA
2    Nasser El Sonbaty    Yugoslavia




1997 Mr. Olympia Results
September 20, 1997 at Long Beach, California
1  Dorian Yates  England 
2  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 



1997 Grand Prix Germany Results
September 27, 1997 at Offenbach
1  Kevin Levrone  USA 
2  Nassar El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1997 Grand Prix Spain Results
September 26, 1997 at Madrid
1  Kevin Levrone  USA 
2  Nassar El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1997 Grand Prix England Standings
September 28, 1997 at Nottingham
1  Kevin Levrone  USA 
2  Chris Cormier  USA 
3  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1997 Grand Prix Finland Results
October 4, 1997 at Helsinki, Finland
1  Kevin Levrone  USA 
2  Chris Cormier  USA 
3  Ronnie Coleman  USA 
4  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1997 Grand Prix Russia Standings
October 5, 1997 at Moscow
1  Ronnie Coleman  USA 
2  Kevin Levrone  USA 
3  Nassar El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 

1996 Mr. Olympia Results
September 21, 1996 at Chicago, Illinois
1  Dorian Yates  England 
2  Shawn Ray  USA 
3  Kevin Levrone  USA 
4  Flex Wheeler  USA 
5  Paul Dillett  Canada 
6  Ronnie Coleman  USA 
7  Chris Cormier  USA 
8  Jean Pierre Fux  Switzerland 
9  Charles Clairmonte  Barbados 
10  Mike Francois  USA 
11  Aaron Baker  USA 
12  Roland Cziurlok  Germany 
13  Mike Matarazzo  USA 
Disq  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 



1996 Grand Prix Spain Standings
September 27, 1996 at Madrid
1  Dorian Yates  England 
2  Paul Dillett  Canada 
3  Nassar El Sonbaty  Yogoslavia 


1996 Grand Prix Germany Standings
September 28, 1996 at Darmstadt 1  Dorian Yates  England 
2  Nassar El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1996 Grand Prix England Standings
September 29, 1996 at Nottingham 1  Dorian Yates  England 
2  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic Standings
October 3, 1996 at Prague
1  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1996 Grand Prix Switzerland Standings
October 4, 1996 at Zurich
1  Nasser El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 

1996 Grand Prix Russia Standings
October 6, 1996 at St. Petersburg
1  Nassar El Sonbaty  Yugoslavia 


1995 Houston Pro Invitational - Contest ResultsApril 29th, 1995; Houston, USA. Place Athlete
1st Nasser El Sonbaty

1995 Night of Champions XVII Results
1 Nasser El Sonbaty 



1995 Mr. Olympia Standings
September 10, 1995 at Atlanta, Georgia
1    Dorian Yates    England
2    Kevin Levrone    USA
3    Nasser El Sonbaty    Yugoslavia


September 17th, 1995 at Nottingham Place Athlete
1st Vince Taylor
2nd Kevin Levrone
3rd Charles Clairmonte
4th Nasser El Sonbaty


1995 Grand Prix France - Contest Results
September 23rd, 1995; Paris, France Place Athlete Country
1st Vince Taylor USA
2nd Charles Clairmonte Barbados
3rd Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia

1995 Grand Prix Germany - Contest Results
September 16th, 1995; Duisburg Place Athlete
1st Kevin Levrone
2nd Vince Taylor
3rd Nassar El Sonbaty


Even in his prime (1995 - mid 1999) Nasser was defeated countless times by Levrone (9), Dillet, Wheeler (4), Coleman (4), Cormier (2), Taylor (3), Clairmonte (2), Ray (1). Note none of these guys have the last name Yates. These defeats occured during Nasser's peak. At what you claim is his best.

  if Dorian Yates doesn't exist, Nasser still only wins 1 Olympia, 1997. In 1996, Ray beats him but Nasser has the unfair advantage of taking illegal diuretics much closer to the show then anyone else. He's DQ'd and places last. In 1995, Levrone beats him. In 1999, it was between Ronnie and Flex. Nasser was a distant 3rd.

  If he is at least 3x Mr. Olympia (you feel 4x+), then in these years he should be dominating. He's the best in the world right? Clearly he isn't. Now of course you'll say it's politics. Why do the guys who lose always claim politics? Would Nasser, a graduate of university in several disciplines, and fluent in multiple languages better represent bodybuilding then Yates, a skinhead guy who did time in his youth, and a cronic pothead (even now).

If anything, Yates made Nasser. Bodybuilding is all about comparisons and Nasser compared extremely well against Yates who was the multiple Mr. O. In other contests which Yates didn't enter, Nasser's blocky type mass unless absolutely ripped would place him consistently behind Levrone, Wheeler, and Coleman (Coleman didn't peak until after Nasser prime). The judges didn't know whether to go with the mass or the class (Ronnie combined both for a while).

 Look at Nasser's record against Levrone for example. He did best against levrone at the Olympia but mostly lost to him at other venues. After Yates left, Nasser himself said he felt his physique would not be in vogue as the judging trend would go with the Wheeler, Levrone, and Coleman type of less blocky, more shapely symmetry. He was right. Coleman became the man, and Nasser compares badly against him. He looks like a block next to Ronnie before Ronnie got super huge and pregnant.

[Sherief Shalaby]

How are those two shots of his front relaxed pose any better than the ones where he's not standing alone?  The only difference is here he's holding his arms further apart.  His front relaxed pose was one of the worst of the top 5/6 competitors during his era, and well behind Nasser's.  He even said himself during his commentary of the 97 Olympia that Nasser had him in thise pose.

dorian boy love dorian more than he loves himself