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Re: off cycle
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2009, 06:09:32 PM »
bridging is a waste of time, when your gonna come off...just come off. Keep training and eating and you'll be fine, of coarse your gonna loose some strength and weight, but that's part of the deal my friend. (JMO)

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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2009, 06:27:19 PM »
If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down  and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.

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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2009, 06:31:15 PM »
The more you train natural the better you look on steroids...fuckin sucks I gotta come off in 4 weeks...each time I get a little better muscle shape in size..hoping to keep some decent gains this time around

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2009, 07:26:34 PM »
If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down  and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.

yeah honnestly, if I already had kids I would stay "on" all the time.

but until then I like to come off once in a while, I am too scared about getting infertile

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2009, 09:02:16 PM »
yeah honnestly, if I already had kids I would stay "on" all the time.

but until then I like to come off once in a while, I am too scared about getting infertile

I have that same fear...thats why i cycle on and off and post cycle aggressively..

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« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2009, 09:32:30 PM »
I'll have my sperm count and things like that taken in 3-4 weeks, hope everything will be fine.

pretty sure my natural test will be veeeeeeeeeeery low tho.
I always feel like shit for 3 months when I go off, then i feel better again

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« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2009, 09:32:36 PM »
If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down  and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.

Totally agree.  Some people i know are all over the place with thier use of AAS, on for 8 weeks off for 2, on for 12 weeks off for 4 just yo-yoing up and down like that and never even recovering natty production anyhow.  so whats the point?  If you are gonna come off you need to be off ALL hormone drugs and ALL pct drugs.  That is the only way you can return to normal.  And it aint gonna take 4-6 weeks if you have been on for a while or screwing around like the yo-yo crowd.  Give it 6 months maybe a year.  Damn a big long cycle of test e will take well over a month just to clear your system all the way

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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2009, 09:36:23 PM »
Totally agree.  Some people i know are all over the place with thier use of AAS, on for 8 weeks off for 2, on for 12 weeks off for 4 just yo-yoing up and down like that and never even recovering natty production anyhow.  so whats the point?  If you are gonna come off you need to be off ALL hormone drugs and ALL pct drugs.  That is the only way you can return to normal.  And it aint gonna take 4-6 weeks if you have been on for a while or screwing around like the yo-yo crowd.  Give it 6 months maybe a year.  Damn a big long cycle of test e will take well over a month just to clear your system all the way

damn :-\

usually I do a 7-8 month cycle, then off for 4-5 months afterward (if I compete, which is pretty much every year)

I won't compete for the next 2-3 years so I'll have to change my way of cycling  :-\

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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2009, 09:46:29 PM »
If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down  and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.

The only people i know of who can't afford to lose size are pro's or highly ranked national competitors...which isn't what we're talking about is it ??, they would only make up a small, very small %. As far as bridging is concerned, if you don't come off, then it's not bridging, it's just lowering the dose which is just some clever name some guru or gym rat came up with years ago. As for health...who really knows ??, that would be depend on several things, genetics, dosage, lifestyle, eating habits etc. anyway just my thoughts, but most guys that lift weights and even for the few that decide to compete don't need to concern themselves with how much size and strength their gonna lose after they come off...think how much stronger and bigger they've gotten since using the drug or drugs in the first place. I guarantee you'll be stronger and bigger regardless if you bridge or not and if you're not stronger and bigger than when you started...then you might wanna give up lifting weights and find a new hobbie. Sorry to rant like this, but i just think bodybuilding has gotten off track in the last 20 years or so, people make it more complicated than it is. Don't get me wrong i definitely think there are several things one can do to retain more of the new acquired muscle and strength, but staying on isn't the answer. (JMO)

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Re: off cycle
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2009, 09:48:01 PM »
damn :-\

usually I do a 7-8 month cycle, then off for 4-5 months afterward (if I compete, which is pretty much every year)

I won't compete for the next 2-3 years so I'll have to change my way of cycling  :-\

Bro 4 or 5 months is a pretty good break.  only way to tell if you are really back to normal would be blood work.  Your method is moderate and not bad.  Just dont see it allowing max progress if thats what you are after.

Also if worried about sterility look into having some tadpoles frozen for future use.

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« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2009, 10:01:04 PM »
Bro 4 or 5 months is a pretty good break.  only way to tell if you are really back to normal would be blood work.  Your method is moderate and not bad.  Just dont see it allowing max progress if thats what you are after.

Also if worried about sterility look into having some tadpoles frozen for future use.

yeah man, I am definitly doing this just before going back on during the winter !
I won't tell my girl about it because she will freak out and think I just want to go all out on the sauce, and that's not the case.

as I get older, I just want to take as much precautions as I can

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Re: off cycle
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2009, 10:07:02 PM »
yeah honnestly, if I already had kids I would stay "on" all the time.

but until then I like to come off once in a while, I am too scared about getting infertile
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Re: off cycle
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2009, 05:14:57 AM »
so say someone has been cycling for few years straight, using a bridge every so often but wants to have kids, what is the best way after a long run to make this happen?
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2009, 05:55:00 AM »
so say someone has been cycling for few years straight, using a bridge every so often but wants to have kids, what is the best way after a long run to make this happen?

well best bet would be to get sperm count checked.  If thats off then see a fertility specialist about treatment.  The woman has to be able to have children also as lot's of times this can also be the problem.

Bigger question is are you ready to have kids?  Be sure you know what you are getting yourself into from all angles and it will be comming from everywhere.  Also and once you have them I will say this in advance.....it's been nice knowing you and on behalf of your gym buddies I will say the same for them to you too.   ;)

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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2009, 09:57:51 AM »
hahA  def not ready right now but i am young like stav so im looking down the road
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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2009, 09:50:28 PM »
haha only 3 weeks since my last injection and I am starting to feel like shit already, even with HCG.

-Brutal acnee break-out on my upper back/rear delts (like it does everytime I go off, or if I use too much androgens)
-Nuts are starting to get bigger but my libido is already starting to drop

-Smoother

-Less lethargic (I am always tired when on roids, I have more energy when I am clean)



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« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2009, 10:02:12 PM »
haha only 3 weeks since my last injection and I am starting to feel like shit already, even with HCG.

-Brutal acnee break-out on my upper back/rear delts (like it does everytime I go off, or if I use too much androgens)
-Nuts are starting to get bigger but my libido is already starting to drop

-Smoother

-Less lethargic (I am always tired when on roids, I have more energy when I am clean)




This is exactly why I recommend running HCG during the cycle and not after as it makes recovery so much smoother. Plus tapering down the dosage helps me avoid acne when coming off, and will probably work for you. Start running benadryl, and this will prob also help with the acne.

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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2009, 11:03:27 PM »
I'll try it !!!

fucking acne.....


the whole spring: VERY high doses of primo and anavar = not a fucking zit

this spring while bulking up: pretty much only high dose of test with a little anadrol = a bit of zits here and there

now: off = my back looks digusting  :-\


I'll try the benadryl for sure if it can help !

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Re: off cycle
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2009, 12:03:12 AM »
its crazy how our bodies can get used to being on. but when we remove that foreign substance our bodies get thrown completely out of wack. i get acne when i come off. body soap with benzyl peroxide helps. and you can get tetracycline for dirt cheap also. 1000mg per day helps. but if they are cystic volcanoes you just have to deal with them (or take the plunge with accutane)

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Re: off cycle
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2009, 06:27:39 AM »
Sauna also helps if you have bad acne, obviously it's not a miracle cure or anything like that, but it will keep you "cleaner" and therefore helps with the acne because you sweat so much of the shit OFF your body, gives the kidneys a break too. Also i think that the Benadryl is a good idea, hands down the best allergy medication out there (at least for me.)
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« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2009, 06:40:35 AM »
i agree, try taking some benadryl

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Re: off cycle
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2009, 12:03:51 PM »
I see your point not to go on cutting cycle right after bulking cycle. Does it mean your cutting cycle should right before bulking?

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« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2009, 12:27:57 PM »
I see your point not to go on cutting cycle right after bulking cycle. Does it mean your cutting cycle should right before bulking?

You can do a cutting cycle soon after you've done a mass cycle, but you should NEVER cut down naturally right after a bulking cycle since you are already catabolic and will only make it worse...
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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2009, 01:30:19 PM »
im not worried about losing the potential to have kids for a few reason (a chance of having kids while on cycle (b chance youo neve fully shtu yourself down (c chance you recover afte being fully shutdown (d hcg and hmg even if not full recovery (e even if all the above fail, there is still new science out there that has the capability of producing a kid from your dna abd your wifes in a laboratory



as far as strategies go... it think staying on is good.. but instead of the traditional blast and cruise i think its better to just stay on a moderate dose for longer periods of time...  you wont need to go as high this way... for example... you could do 6 weeks on 6 weeks off going back and forth between 1750mgs and 250mgs...   or you could go 750mgs non stop.... which is probably gonna be better for you ?  i think 750 ...

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« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2009, 03:22:59 PM »
good post bro.

unfortunately, I have the mentally of more is better  :-\

seems to me that if I stayed on 750mg, to body would aclimate itself to that dose and it wouldn't be effective after a while.

not super scientific, but that's how I feel when I stay on for a while.

when I go off, I lose some muscle, they I go back on again and I get bigger than I was before I stopped after only a few weeks.

don't know man, it's trial and error in this game  :-\

but I think the best I can do is to stop dieting and just get big even if I get a little pudgy, because we both know that every day I will spend in a caloric deficit will be a fucking waste of time !


right now I am off and 230lbs, little smooth.

I think I need to get to AT LEAST 260lbs before I diet again or else I will always look the same