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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2014, 05:49:54 AM »

Who is really surprised?


Ozmo, lurkerthemoron, strawboy and that nitwit rrsnore.
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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2014, 05:51:10 AM »

President Obama ignored general’s pleas to keep American military forces in Iraq
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Posted on June 17, 2014 at 7:33:41 AM EDT by WhiskeyX

The last American commander in Iraq recommended to the Obama administration that 23,000 U.S. troops remain to cement the victory, but no deal was ever reached with Baghdad, and all combat forces went home.

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Retired Army Gen. John M. Keane, who advised commanders in Iraq and helped devise the 2007 troop surge, remembers how the U.S. achieved victory by working hand in hand with Iraq’s military to conduct pinpoint strikes. The effort was so effective that the enemy, al Qaeda in Iraq, stopped sending killers into Iraq because they would be exterminated quickly.

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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2014, 06:00:41 AM »

President Obama ignored general’s pleas to keep American military forces in Iraq
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Posted on June 17, 2014 at 7:33:41 AM EDT by WhiskeyX


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« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2014, 06:33:17 AM »

The community organizer is a twink who thinks he knows more than anyone else.




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« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2014, 07:00:12 AM »


What Obama wrought

How the President's failure to act decisively has fed chaos in Syria and Iraq

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Where the buck stops.
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Where the buck stops.


Highly organized and bloodthirsty, the radical Islamist army called ISIS took but a few days to subjugate the cities of northern Iraq as it dreams of taking over the entire country — while President Obama played it cynically cool.

The group’s stunning, barbaric march prompted the President on Friday to offer to review a range of options because America has “a stake in making sure that these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in either Iraq or Syria.”

Returned now to the White House from a long-weekend family vacation in California, the President must face the awful reality that he dodged last week:

ISIS is already firmly in charge of large swaths of both of those countries, has ambitions to devour more and is showily slaughtering scores of captured and unarmed prisoners.

Al Qaeda Nation is being bloodily born before the world’s eyes.

The battle — for now and surely for the long run — has been lost, in no small part because Obama declined to show strength at crucial moments when strength was needed. Still worse, boxed in by his own failures, he’s flailing for a strategy desperately enough to consider partnering with Iran.


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Video released Monday by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) shows militants with men they say are Iraqi soldiers.


Yes, that Iran, the country whose regime has held Americans hostage, exported terror against the U.S., supplied weapons to insurgents who killed American troops in the Iraq War and driven insistently toward nuclear weapons capability. Just this month, the grand ayatollah there scoffed, “American cannot do a damn thing.”

Yes, that Iran. The taste in the mouth is awful.

The world is reaping what Obama helped sow.

Elected on the promise of ending the Iraq War, the President was true to his word. He wound down the conflict, enabling Vice President Joe Biden to boast in 2010 that Iraq was “one of the great achievements of this administration.”

“We’re leaving behind a stable and self-reliant Iraq,” Obama said in 2011 as the last U.S. troops left a war that cost nearly 4,500 of them their lives.


Cold-blooded terrorists slaughter more Iraqi soldiers, execution style, near the Syrian border in a photo released Monday.
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Cold-blooded terrorists slaughter more Iraqi soldiers, execution style, near the Syrian border in a photo released Monday.


But he left no residual force to combat terrorism, having failed to reach a troop agreement with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. In our absence, ISIS grew quickly into a malignant force.

Made up of Sunni Muslims, who are a minority in Iraq and who despise the Shiite majority, ISIS staged more than 600 attacks in 2011, up from 34 the year before. With no U.S. troops to control them, and with Maliki repressing Sunnis, ISIS followed up in 2012 with more than 400 attacks.

When civil war broke out across the border in Syria, Obama proved impotent. He called for President Bashar Assad’s ouster to no avail. He threatened missile strikes if Assad used chemical weapons, then he dropped the threat after Assad fatally gassed 1,400 people. He considered and then ruled out providing militarily significant arms to moderate anti-Assad forces.

ISIS chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his fighters marched into Obama’s vacuum, seized territory in southern Syria and proclaimed in January that he planned to create his own domain by taking ground in Iraq, including the capital Baghdad.

He also made clear that he had a larger target, saying on an audio recording:


Returned now to the White House from a long-weekend family vacation in California, the President must face the awful reality that he dodged last week.
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Returned now to the White House from a long-weekend family vacation in California, the President must face the awful reality that he dodged last week.


“Our last message is to the Americans. Soon we will be in direct confrontation, and the sons of Islam have prepared for such a day. So watch, for we are with you, watching.”

You can’t say that Obama wasn’t warned.

Overeager to leave Iraq, gun-shy about intervening in Syria and insufficiently vigilant about the rising threat of ISIS, the President opened the way to an Islamist force of unprecedented power.

The toll wreaked by his disengagement from the world and retreat from the use of American influence is severe. While ISIS expands its reach with summary executions possibly running into the thousands, Obama is left to offload onto Maliki all responsibility for the chaos that’s happened and all that’s to come.

That's the easy way for Obama to escape admitting that he blew it.


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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2014, 07:47:02 AM »

Ozmo, lurkerthemoron, strawboy and that nitwit rrsnore.

Surprised that after invading one of these infighting ME countries and totally screwing up the aftermath that the government we helped put in there is failing?  NO.

We still shouldn't have ever invaded int he first place, but yes in retrospect leaving a small force behind might or might not have prevented what is going on there.  OB may or may not should have found a way to get their government to let us leave troops there. 

However, i really don't give a shit.  We don't need to be there, we don't need our young men dying for those people. 
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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2014, 07:49:15 AM »

Surprised that after invading one of these infighting ME countries and totally screwing up the aftermath that the government we helped put in there is failing?  NO.

We still shouldn't have ever invaded int he first place, but yes in retrospect leaving a small force behind might or might not have prevented what is going on there.  OB may or may not should have found a way to get their government to let us leave troops there. 

However, i really don't give a shit.  We don't need to be there, we don't need our young men dying for those people. 

Exactly what I have said in the past, but gay boi above simply can't understand it. 
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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2014, 07:51:48 AM »

Obama in 2011 takes credit for his actions in Iraq

Obama in 2014 blames W for Iraq falling apart into the hands of animals



That only makes sense to an Obama cultist
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« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2014, 07:55:08 AM »

3 years never happened.   
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« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2014, 09:57:17 PM »

Obama in 2011 takes credit for his actions in Iraq

Obama in 2014 blames W for Iraq falling apart into the hands of animals



That only makes sense to an Obama cultist



Maybe you didn't realize but President Bush signed a treaty with the Iraq Government with the promise that all US troops would be out of Iraq by 2011.


Go look it up....then shut the fuck up

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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2014, 05:08:06 AM »



Maybe you didn't realize but President Bush signed a treaty with the Iraq Government with the promise that all US troops would be out of Iraq by 2011.


Go look it up....then shut the fuck up



LOL - but  Obama was not able to renegotiate a new Status Forces Agreement and was not interested in one correct?  So again - 2011 he takes credit for what W did - and then in 2014 he blames W for it all falling apart.   Some leadership right there   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2014, 06:06:53 AM »

LOL - but  Obama was not able to renegotiate a new Status Forces Agreement and was not interested in one correct?  So again - 2011 he takes credit for what W did - and then in 2014 he blames W for it all falling apart.   Some leadership right there   Roll Eyes


Once a treaty is signed, you can't break it unless the Iraqi Government ask for help which they haven't.  I think Obama did the right thing and now the Iraqi civilians are finally growing some balls and engaging the terrorists....and they are beating some ass and chopping their heads off. 

Sorry, but I'm tired of hearing about US soldiers dying because Iraq and Afghans don't have any balls to take their lives into their own hands.  That massacre woke them up finally and now they want revenge.....I say let him have a go at it.
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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2014, 06:16:03 AM »


Once a treaty is signed, you can't break it unless the Iraqi Government ask for help which they haven't.  I think Obama did the right thing and now the Iraqi civilians are finally growing some balls and engaging the terrorists....and they are beating some ass and chopping their heads off. 

Sorry, but I'm tired of hearing about US soldiers dying because Iraq and Afghans don't have any balls to take their lives into their own hands.  That massacre woke them up finally and now they want revenge.....I say let him have a go at it.

What you're seeing isnt civilians standing up to terrorists but tribal conflicts that are very old.
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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2014, 07:14:44 AM »

What you're seeing isnt civilians standing up to terrorists but tribal conflicts that are very old.

I don't give a fuck....better them than us dying.  After all, its their country
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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2014, 07:16:24 AM »

I don't give a fuck....better them than us dying.  After all, its their country

I dont disagree at all
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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2014, 10:48:24 AM »



Maybe you didn't realize but President Bush signed a treaty with the Iraq Government with the promise that all US troops would be out of Iraq by 2011.


Go look it up....then shut the fuck up



It wasn't a treaty.  It was a status of forces agreement. 

Obama tried to negotiate a new one and failed. 
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« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2014, 07:09:13 PM »

It wasn't a treaty.  It was a status of forces agreement. 

Obama tried to negotiate a new one and failed. 


No, the Iraq government declined.  I don't consider it a failure since the US doesn't rule Iraq
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« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2014, 08:29:47 PM »

wait a minute... this thread is baffling...

Obama was following BUSH'S WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT, wasn't he?   Huh

I thought, for all his talk and promises and whatnot, he stuck with the SOFA that Bush put into place Huh   Can anyone clarify what exactly Obama did wrong by OBEYING the Cheney/Bush SOFA plan for leaving?  I thought that was one of the GOOD things Obama did - he kept in place the Bush2 plan and he followed it.



Republicans Blame Obama For Iraq When It Was Bush Who Signed The Agreement to Leave

What any of the Republicans blaming Obama for pulling American troops out of Iraq in 2011 should remember, is that in October 2008 George W. Bush was president when the Status of Forces Agreement was drafted and ratified by Iraqi lawmakers a month later in November 2008. The pertinent part of the agreement that President Obama honored was that, “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/15/republicans-blame-obama-iraq-bush-signed-agreement-leave.html
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« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2014, 05:19:01 AM »

wait a minute... this thread is baffling...

Obama was following BUSH'S WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT, wasn't he?   Huh

I thought, for all his talk and promises and whatnot, he stuck with the SOFA that Bush put into place Huh   Can anyone clarify what exactly Obama did wrong by OBEYING the Cheney/Bush SOFA plan for leaving?  I thought that was one of the GOOD things Obama did - he kept in place the Bush2 plan and he followed it.



Republicans Blame Obama For Iraq When It Was Bush Who Signed The Agreement to Leave

What any of the Republicans blaming Obama for pulling American troops out of Iraq in 2011 should remember, is that in October 2008 George W. Bush was president when the Status of Forces Agreement was drafted and ratified by Iraqi lawmakers a month later in November 2008. The pertinent part of the agreement that President Obama honored was that, “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/15/republicans-blame-obama-iraq-bush-signed-agreement-leave.html


No it isn't.  Not when you consider it is fueled by the two biggest idiots on the board Pole Toucher and Retardario.   

Neither of those idiotic party shills has any brainwattage for computing logic or the concept of reality. 
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« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2014, 05:28:22 AM »


No it isn't.  Not when you consider it is fueled by the two biggest idiots on the board Pole Toucher and Retardario.   

Neither of those idiotic party shills has any brainwattage for computing logic or the concept of reality. 

The agreement W had is only news to ignorant no-info voters and messiah worshipping lemmings like yourself. 
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« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2014, 06:06:33 AM »

wait a minute... this thread is baffling...

Obama was following BUSH'S WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT, wasn't he?   Huh


You don't worry much about details.

He DID NOT follow Bush's withdrawal agreement when it came to a residual force remaining in Iraq DEPENDING on whether the Iraqi military was strong enough to defend its nation. Robert Gates was clear that tens of thousands of soldiers would remain as a residual force in order to enable or support the Iraqi army. The jokeinthewhitehouse wanted to keep only 3k instead of "tens of thousands" because he wanted complete withdrawal despite signs that the Iraqi military needed support. There were military officers who objected to a force of only 3k because it wasn't enough soldiers. Many Iraqi leaders felt the USA was not serious about helping them and therefore no "status of forces" agreement was reached.

Hilarious how other idiots like lurkerthemoron just believe your misinformed posts and like little girls rush to post utter nonsense.
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« Reply #71 on: June 19, 2014, 08:04:40 AM »

wait a minute... this thread is baffling...

Obama was following BUSH'S WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT, wasn't he?   Huh

I thought, for all his talk and promises and whatnot, he stuck with the SOFA that Bush put into place Huh   Can anyone clarify what exactly Obama did wrong by OBEYING the Cheney/Bush SOFA plan for leaving?  I thought that was one of the GOOD things Obama did - he kept in place the Bush2 plan and he followed it.



Republicans Blame Obama For Iraq When It Was Bush Who Signed The Agreement to Leave

What any of the Republicans blaming Obama for pulling American troops out of Iraq in 2011 should remember, is that in October 2008 George W. Bush was president when the Status of Forces Agreement was drafted and ratified by Iraqi lawmakers a month later in November 2008. The pertinent part of the agreement that President Obama honored was that, “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/15/republicans-blame-obama-iraq-bush-signed-agreement-leave.html


Obama didn't have a choice....a treaty agreement isn't invalidated by the changing of presidents. 
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« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2014, 09:02:50 AM »


Obama didn't have a choice....a treaty agreement isn't invalidated by the changing of presidents. 

So now it was a "treaty agreement"?  What the heck is that?

Sounds like you don't know what a treaty is.
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