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Hugo Chavez

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 03:15:06 PM »
I didn't say they were at the heart...but they played a part. Groups like them put pressure on Clinton and then banks to change laws and give loans.
a lot of people played a part, a great number of people did.  3333 said they were at the heart of it.  That's pure fictional bullshit and why I'm not willing to engage in these threads if it's going to turn into drama it's not.  Like I said, the facts here are bad enough, what's the point of saying crap like that which will only have people like us not wanting to take threads like this serious?

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 03:16:37 PM »
a lot of people played a part, a great number of people did.  3333 said they were at the heart of it.  That's pure fictional bullshit and why I'm not willing to engage in these threads if it's going to turn into drama it's not.  Like I said, the facts here are bad enough, what's the point of saying crap like that which will only have people like us not wanting to take threads like this serious?

I restated my point.   People pushing false loans had a huge part in the RE meltdown.  Acorn was part of that. 

Of course the main crooks are the Wall Street banksters.  you have no argument from me on that.   

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2009, 03:18:57 PM »
Hugo - I agree with you and did not want it to mean that they alone caused the mess.  there were many corrupt players in the mix of housing.   

When I said "heart of" i meant the act of falsyfing mortgage apps to qualify for loans that otherwise were not worthy of a loan. 
ok, but you see where I was going, saying they're at the heart of it, means specifically it doesn't happen without them and they're the originating factor.  You keep saying stuff like that too.  You nor HH have any evidence acorn was specifically set up to be a criminal organization.  But that's what you're both saying.  Well ok but don't laugh at my CTs HH...

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2009, 03:20:19 PM »
I restated my point.   People pushing false loans had a huge part in the RE meltdown.  Acorn was part of that. 

Of course the main crooks are the Wall Street banksters.  you have no argument from me on that.   
give me a minute to reply, I can't warp factor my posts like you. ;D

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2009, 03:22:58 PM »
I found this from last year re Acorn and CRA
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September 30, 2008
ACORN, Obama, and the Mortgage Mess
By Mona Charen


The financial markets were teetering on the edge of an abyss last week. The secretary of the Treasury was literally on his knees begging the speaker of the House not to sabotage the bailout bill. The crash of falling banks made the earth tremble. The Republican presidential candidate suspended his campaign to deal with the crisis. And amid all this, the Democrats in Congress managed to find time to slip language into the bailout legislation that would provide a dandy little slush fund for ACORN.

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a busy hive of left-wing agitation and "direct action" that claims chapters in 50 cities and 100,000 dues-paying members. ACORN is where Sixties leftovers who couldn't get tenure at universities wound up. That the bill-writing Democrats remembered their pet clients during such an emergency speaks volumes. This attempted gift to ACORN (stripped out of the bill after outraged howls from Republicans) demonstrates how little Democrats understand about what caused the mess we're in.

ACORN does many things under the umbrella of "community organizing." They agitate for higher minimum wages, attempt to thwart school reform, try to unionize welfare workers (that is, those welfare recipients who are obliged to work in exchange for benefits) and organize voter registration efforts (always for Democrats, of course). Because they are on the side of righteousness and justice, they aren't especially fastidious about their methods. In 2006, for example, ACORN registered 1,800 new voters in Washington. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all of the names submitted were fake. The secretary of state called it the "worst case of election fraud in our state's history." As Fox News reported:

"The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms."

ACORN explained that this was an "isolated" incident, yet similar stories have been reported in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Colorado -- all swing states, by the way. ACORN members have been prosecuted for voter fraud in a number of states. (See www.rottenacorn.com.) Their philosophy seems to be that everyone deserves the right to vote, whether legal or illegal, living or dead.

ACORN recognized very early the opportunity presented by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. As Stanley Kurtz has reported, ACORN proudly touted "affirmative action" lending and pressured banks to make subprime loans. Madeline Talbott, a Chicago ACORN leader, boasted of "dragging banks kicking and screaming" into dubious loans. And, as Sol Stern reported in City Journal, ACORN also found a remunerative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approval. "Thus we have J.P. Morgan & Co., the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN." Is this a great country or what? As conservative community activist Robert Woodson put it, "The same corporations that pay ransom to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pay ransom to ACORN."

ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff -- the very people who would later descend on Chicago's banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic -- he was an ACORN fellow traveler.

Now you could make the case that before 2008, well-intentioned people were simply unaware of what their agitation on behalf of non-credit-worthy borrowers could lead to. But now? With the whole financial world and possibly the world economy trembling and cracking like a cement building in an earthquake, Democrats continue to try to fund their friends at ACORN? And, unashamed, they then trot out to the TV cameras to declare "the party is over" for Wall Street (Nancy Pelosi)? The party should be over for the Democrats who brought us to this pass. If Obama wins, it means hiring an arsonist to fight a fire.

Copyright 2008, Creators Syndicate Inc.

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Granted mona Charon is a biased journalist, but the paragraph re the CRA is noteworthy. 

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2009, 03:28:55 PM »

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2009, 03:30:46 PM »
Even Jon Stewart is pissed off.

http://freedomlibertyshow.com/2009/09/even-jon-stewart-is-embarrassed/


yup, I watched that.  and he didn't go where you guys are.  What do you think Stewart would say after he read what you guys are saying?

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2009, 03:34:02 PM »
yup, I watched that.  and he didn't go where you guys are.  What do you think Stewart would say after he read what you guys are saying?

I dont know, but Stewart only has 6 - 10 minutes to do a piece. 

This whole affair needs an entire mini-series from what we know thus far. 

Also, hh6 posted about JP Morgan cutting funds.  The article I just posted from last year notes JP morgan as a huge contributor to Acorn, which I did not know before today. 

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2009, 03:34:46 PM »
also interesting to note 3333, look at what the left does when there is something bad like this... They condemn it.  Now go back and remember what the right did to scandals on their side of things.  Man, Hannity, Rush, Coulter and many more were right there to spin it, but rarely admit it.  What's up with that?

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2009, 03:38:02 PM »
I dont know, but Stewart only has 6 - 10 minutes to do a piece. 

This whole affair needs an entire mini-series from what we know thus far. 

Also, hh6 posted about JP Morgan cutting funds.  The article I just posted from last year notes JP morgan as a huge contributor to Acorn, which I did not know before today. 
like I said, there are many players in this mess and acorn is not at the heart of it.  Had those investments not been mirepresented as AAA investments, the things you point out with acorn simply couldn't have had an avenue.  What they were willing to do, enabled many players, many!!!!!!

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2009, 03:40:44 PM »
like I said, there are many players in this mess and acorn is not at the heart of it.  Had those investments not been mirepresented as AAA investments, the things you point out with acorn simply couldn't have had an avenue.  What they were willing to do, enabled many players, many!!!!!!

I agree Hugo.  Wall Street was the biggest criminal in this enterprise along with the ratings agencies. 

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Re: Many more ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2009, 08:01:12 AM »
a lot of people played a part, a great number of people did.  3333 said they were at the heart of it.  That's pure fictional bullshit and why I'm not willing to engage in these threads if it's going to turn into drama it's not.  Like I said, the facts here are bad enough, what's the point of saying crap like that which will only have people like us not wanting to take threads like this serious?

i think what 333 meant was that this type of behavior (falsifying loan apps to get loans they have no chance of paying back) was what was at the heart of the mortgage crisis.  and he's right.  what we do not need are organizations as far reaching as ACORN patronizing this type of behavior.  organizations like ACORN should be part of the solution but instead they are simply making things worse.  They need to get a handle on this quickly.  but they won't.  there are way too many friendships between ACORN and our current regime to oust the people who really need to be ousted.  they will make a bunch of ACORN peons take the fall for this while the people who are really responsible look the other way and proceed with their business as usual.