The myth that Nasser was weak from the side

[bigbobs]

 Bobs, you know that I am you, SS, TrueAdonis, block, the quakeroats legend !!!

Any more? I lose track of the weekly innuendo and allegations from the fevered rodent brains!!!

What I find hilarious is that ND can not even identify whose gimmick he thinks you are because there is no one else here that has a posting style like yours, so he will just flatly conclude that you are a gimmick but does not know whose lol.

Last time he argued for pages that Sherief Shalaby was a gimmick,  even though the man posts with his real name, has posted many pictures, has posted in Arabic, has a facebook account with many friends with the same pictures and name, used to post on MattC's board years ago, etc etc.  Their desperation in gimmick accusations knows no bounds.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bolded text = bullshit and you know it

Not just "slightly" but much thicker, and in 95 Nasser weighed about 10 lbs more only.  And competitors arent assessed as to how they look as a function of bodyweight, so it doesn't even matter who weighs more.  It's like saying, "Sure Dorian is bigger than Shawn Ray but that's just because he weighs more."  

Now you're cherry picking.

Bolded text = bullshit and you know it

yeah sure it is , no , no they're twice as thick lol bullshit? you say?

Not just "slightly" but much thicker, and in 95 Nasser weighed about 10 lbs more only.  And competitors arent assessed as to how they look as a function of bodyweight, so it doesn't even matter who weighs more.  It's like saying, "Sure Dorian is bigger than Shawn Ray but that's just because he weighs more."

yeah twice as thick as you claimed  really 10 pounds? Nasser was 265? because Dorian was listed at 255 in 95 and on the video Haney says 260 either way , he still weighs more yet doesn't look it this is where muscular bulk comes into play it is after all part of the judging criteria and the is a difference between bodyweight and dense dry muscle which is why Shawn Ray could beat a soft Nasser more to bodybuilding than just weight

Now you're cherry picking.

WRONG I'm adding the rest of the criteria something you either don't know or scared to post , I've always maintained Dorian wins based on ALL the criteria not just some of it.

[Sharma]

Dorian makes Nasser look narrow in this pose , Yates is outclassing Nasser by a country mile , try sticking to the topic

Ok, I don't agree. Yates has turned fully and is completed the pose. Nasser is tensing and flexing to finish the pose. Yates is  already in his finished position, he have better lighting (always he is allowed these favors from his judge friends) and still I think Nasser have better lines and legs. Only thing good about Yates there is his impressive lats but that all the guy had by the end. Disgraceful arms, narrow quads, ugly belly.

Nasser wins here.

[NarcissisticDeity]

What I find hilarious is that ND can not even identify whose gimmick he thinks you are because there is no one else here that has a posting style like yours, so he will just flatly conclude that you are a gimmick but does not know whose lol.

Last time he argued for pages that Sherief Shalaby was a gimmick,  even though the man posts with his real name, has posted many pictures, has posted in Arabic, has a facebook account with many friends with the same pictures and name, used to post on MattC's board years ago, etc etc.  Their desperation in gimmick accusations knows no bounds.

What I find hilarious is that ND can not even identify whose gimmick he thinks you are because there is no one else here that has a posting style like yours, so he will just flatly conclude that you are a gimmick but does not know whose lol.

I don't care whose gimmick it is , he is a gimmick why? he posts sporadically only on the topic of Nasser and spams the board with the same spiel and attacks anyone who disagrees textbook gimmick because I don't know whose doesn't mean it isn't

 

Last time he argued for pages that Sherief Shalaby was a gimmick,  even though the man posts with his real name, has posted many pictures, has posted in Arabic, has a facebook account with many friends with the same pictures and name, used to post on MattC's board years ago, etc etc.  Their desperation in gimmick accusations knows no bounds.

see above most of his posts are Nasser spam even if he's not another members account , who cares about what else he posted on and when

 

[Palpatine Q]

Still photos don't tell the story....Nasser was weak from the side.

how is it that every notable BB pundit over the years said this, but BigKnobs knows better  

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ok, I don't agree. Yates has turned fully and is completed the pose. Nasser is tensing and flexing to finish the pose. Yates is  already in his finished position, he have better lighting (always he is allowed these favors from his judge friends) and still I think Nasser have better lines and legs. Only thing good about Yates there is his impressive lats but that all the guy had by the end. Disgraceful arms, narrow quads, ugly belly.

Nasser wins here.

Wrong Nasser is tenses that's who he does the pose I have the video and the pic Bobs confirms that's his style ( incorrectly ) lmfao he has better lighting? ( conspiracy anyone ) how the hell would you come to that conclusion? please elaborate on this gem . Dorian is easily winning this pose based on the IFBB judging criteria

[bigbobs]

I don't care whose gimmick it is , he is a gimmick why? he posts sporadically only on the topic of Nasser and spams the board with the same spiel and attacks anyone who disagrees textbook gimmick because I don't know whose doesn't mean it isn't

see above most of his posts are Nasser spam even if he's not another members account , who cares about what else he posted on and when
 

Sharma's eloquent style with words, intelligence and humour are second to none and that's all the evidence I need that he is not a gimmick.  If anyone else can match him in these traits then the question would arise that they may be each others' gimmicks.  

There are many posters here who chose to post mainly or even only about one topic.  Only finding one or a few topics interesting enough to post about now makes one a gimmick? lol.

[bigbobs]

Wrong Nasser is tenses that's who he does the pose I have the video and the pic Bobs confirms that's his style ( incorrectly ) lmfao he has better lighting? ( conspiracy anyone ) how the hell would you come to that conclusion? please elaborate on this gem . Dorian is easily winning this pose based on the IFBB judging criteria

Dorian is holding his arm back further and only an idiot would really think that the way he holds his arm makes him bigger lol.  Using that logic alone this out of shape guy must be bigger too since he's holding his arms further apart.

Other than that Yates' waist is coming out (which made me incorrectly think this was a 97 shot), his chest is flatter, abs less defined, and smaller quads.  I do give respect where it's due so I'll recognize he has a great back and calves in that shot too, but he's getting trampled everywhere else.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sharma's eloquent style with words, intelligence and humour are second to none and that's all the evidence I need that he is not a gimmick.  If anyone else can match him in these traits then the question would arise that they may be each others' gimmicks.  

There are many posters here who chose to post mainly or even only about one topic.  Only finding one or a few topics interesting enough to post about now makes one a gimmick? lol.

Sharma's eloquent style with words, intelligence and humour are second to none and that's all the evidence I need that he is not a gimmick.  If anyone else can match him in these traits then the question would arise that they may be each others' gimmicks. 

spam and nothing more

There are many posters here who chose to post mainly or even only about one topic.  Only finding one or a few topics interesting enough to post about now makes one a gimmick? lol.

sharma is a gimmck plain & simple he spams the board with Nasser spiel over and over , never posts on any topic other than this and attacks anyone who disagrees textbook gimmick

[Sharma]

Wrong Nasser is tenses that's who he does the pose I have the video and the pic Bobs confirms that's his style ( incorrectly ) lmfao he has better lighting? ( conspiracy anyone ) how the hell would you come to that conclusion? please elaborate on this gem . Dorian is easily winning this pose based on the IFBB judging criteria

Again, hilarious that you accuse others of repetition and spam posts when your only stock response to ANYBODY who don't agree with you is about "IFBB judging criteria" . Don't you ever get bored with just typing that when someone have an opinion that upset you?

Again, I think Nasser looks way better in that shot. His legs are on different planet, look the separation in them. His condition too (despite always people assume it is only Yates who have the great conditioning).. Nasser is way more complete and a far better example of proportion, condition , size AND aesthetics.

Now, you respond with your usual spam of that's not what the judges thought but most fans of this sport don't agree with them throughout the history of the sport. Also, aesthetics actually matter MORE these days and Nasser is way more aesthetic of the mass monster. He clean up under the current trends.

Nasser beating Yates there for me, sorry to make you cry

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian is holding his arm back further and only an idiot would really think that the way he holds his arm makes him bigger lol.  Using that logic alone this out of shape guy must be bigger too since he's holding his arms further apart.

Other than that Yates' waist is coming out (which made me incorrectly think this was a 97 shot), his chest is flatter, abs less defined, and smaller quads.  I do give respect where it's due so I'll recognize he has a great back and calves in that shot too, but he's getting trampled everywhere else.

Dorian is holding his arm back further and only an idiot would really think that the way he holds his arm makes him bigger lol.  Using that logic alone this out of shape guy must be bigger too since he's holding his arms further apart.

You have a really bad habit of drawing your own conclusions , where did I ever claim by holding his arm out that makes him bigger? where?  and didn't I already say that there is a clear difference between size and dense & dry size? Dorian looks just as big as Nasser in that comparison despite not being as heavy , the only clear advantage size wise Nasser is showing is the quads , Dorian is more than keeping up with him everywhere else despite what you like to claim , Nasser despite being heavier is NOT out-muscling Dorian and this is where Nasser looks narrow from the side comes from

Other than that Yates' waist is coming out (which made me incorrectly think this was a 97 shot), his chest is flatter, abs less defined, and smaller quads.  I do give respect where it's due so I'll recognize he has a great back and calves in that shot too, but he's getting trampled everywhere else.

see cherry picking NOT how it works , much to learn you do

[bigbobs]

You have a really bad habit of drawing your own conclusions , where did I ever claim by holding his arm out that makes him bigger? where?  

Previously you kept saying Nasser does not look bigger than Dorian, so I assumed you were referring to the illusion that Yates may be bigger simply because he's holding his arm further behind.

and didn't I already say that there is a clear difference between size and dense & dry size? Dorian looks just as big as Nasser in that comparison despite not being as heavy , the only clear advantage size wise Nasser is showing is the quads , Dorian is more than keeping up with him everywhere else despite what you like to claim , Nasser despite being heavier is NOT out-muscling Dorian and this is where Nasser looks narrow from the side comes from

see cherry picking NOT how it works , much to learn you do

Again making references to bodyweight LOL - Nasser is about 6% heavier than Dorian there only, and in a photo that's only inches large he wont be dwarfing Dorian with a 6% bodyweight difference - however one can still tell that he is bigger, just as you correctly concluded Nasser's quads are bigger...which of course is the biggest bodypart.  

[Sharma]

Again making references to bodyweight LOL - Nasser is about 6% heavier than Dorian there only, and in a photo that's only inches large he wont be dwarfing Dorian with a 6% bodyweight difference - however one can still tell that he is bigger, just as you correctly concluded Nasser's quads are bigger...which of course is the biggest bodypart.  

HAHA You're ripping this poor guy apart. I don't think he has your intellect and insight . It not a fair fight.


I almost feel sorry for ND here.




























almost

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again, hilarious that you accuse others of repetition and spam posts when your only stock response to ANYBODY who don't agree with you is about "IFBB judging criteria" . Don't you ever get bored with just typing that when someone have an opinion that upset you?

Again, I think Nasser looks way better in that shot. His legs are on different planet, look the separation in them. His condition too (despite always people assume it is only Yates who have the great conditioning).. Nasser is way more complete and a far better example of proportion, condition , size AND aesthetics.

Now, you respond with your usual spam of that's not what the judges thought but most fans of this sport don't agree with them throughout the history of the sport. Also, aesthetics actually matter MORE these days and Nasser is way more aesthetic of the mass monster. He clean up under the current trends.

Nasser beating Yates there for me, sorry to make you cry

Again, hilarious that you accuse others of repetition and spam posts when your only stock response to ANYBODY who don't agree with you is about "IFBB judging criteria" . Don't you ever get bored with just typing that when someone have an opinion that upset you?

there is a difference between repetition & spam , you spam that's not debatable. and I have to educate a LOT of people on how contests are judged because in my estimation 99% of you are clueless case in point Bobs insistence on cherry picking NOT how it works , it takes a long time to sink in but I enjoy helping people   

Again, I think Nasser looks way better in that shot. His legs are on different planet, look the separation in them. His condition too (despite always people assume it is only Yates who have the great conditioning).. Nasser is way more complete and a far better example of proportion, condition , size AND aesthetics.

Of course you think he looks better in that shot , ironically the judges thought otherwise and in the end the matter most ( spare me the politics cry ) Dorian straight firsts and Nasser third place , Nasser did have good conditioning that year he was always hard as nails from the front and sides his problem was you guessed it the soft back . more complete? nonsense there is NO muscle Nasser has that Dorian doesn't . proportion? NOPE short legs , long torso not great proportion in the forearms compared with the biceps/triceps either , condition? Dorian stands alone although Nasser was good this year ( see above ) aesthetics? compared to Yates?  subjective and irreverent he's no Flex Wheeler and what did his aesthetics do for him against Yates? or Labrada? or Paris? or anyone else? 

[kiwiol]

One thing Dorian can never beat HUGE Nasser on is the sheer amount of soiled "sports memorabilia" that he sells.

[Sharma]

 Yet IFBB appointed judges marked Dorian as low as FOURTH PLACE OVERALL in the 97 Olympia. Funny that there could be such a discrepancy between the high and low scoring judge's scorecards if this stuff is supposed to be so uniform.

 Appealing to IFBB judges is pointless when they themself widely disagree to the point that the scorecards have be whittled down from the highs and lows. It show how subjective this sport is. Appealing only to the judges is pointless when there have been so many outrages and corrupt fixes over time.

That said, you did at least give a better answer this time, not the lazy judges argument when we know the Yates monstrosity was personal friend with many of them and for man years lived off 93 showing and gravitas!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Previously you kept saying Nasser does not look bigger than Dorian, so I assumed you were referring to the illusion that Yates may be bigger simply because he's holding his arm further behind.

Again making references to bodyweight LOL - Nasser is about 6% heavier than Dorian there only, and in a photo that's only inches large he wont be dwarfing Dorian with a 6% bodyweight difference - however one can still tell that he is bigger, just as you correctly concluded Nasser's quads are bigger...which of course is the biggest bodypart.  

Previously you kept saying Nasser does not look bigger than Dorian, so I assumed you were referring to the illusion that Yates may be bigger simply because he's holding his arm further behind.

don't make assumptions bobs you know what they say about assumptions  and I'm glad you admit he looks bigger even though you're claiming it's an illusion

Again making references to bodyweight LOL - Nasser is about 6% heavier than Dorian there only, and in a photo that's only inches large he wont be dwarfing Dorian with a 6% bodyweight difference - however one can still tell that he is bigger, just as you correctly concluded Nasser's quads are bigger...which of course is the biggest bodypart. 

6%? you came to this conclusion how? Dorian 255 compared to Nasser's 270 ? he's not out muscling Dorian in the comparison despite being the larger bodybuilder which doesn't matter because he was much larger than Ray and lost to  what matters is EVERYTHING that's how it goes

Dorian is killing Nasser in that pose when all of the criteria is assessed

[NarcissisticDeity]

HAHA You're ripping this poor guy apart. I don't think he has your intellect and insight . It not a fair fight.


I almost feel sorry for ND here.




























almost

Like Hulkster you can't touch the argument so just make empty statements to try and divert from the topic

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


according to this Dorian easily beats Nasser in this pose as well as many others

[bigbobs]

6%? you came to this conclusion how? Dorian 255 compared to Nasser's 270 ? he's not out muscling Dorian in the comparison despite being the larger bodybuilder which doesn't matter because he was much larger than Ray and lost to  what matters is EVERYTHING that's how it goes

Oh man, we can argue about the subjective topic of who looks better all you want, but this simple mathematics.  For starters I've read 257 as Dorian's bodyweight for 95 but let's go ahead with your 255 #.

270 - 255 = 15 lbs.

15 divided by 270 = 5.6%

Or taking Dorian's bodyweight as the denominator, 15 divided by 255 = 5.9%

I rounded up to 6%

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yet IFBB appointed judges marked Dorian as low as FOURTH PLACE OVERALL in the 97 Olympia. Funny that there could be such a discrepancy between the high and low scoring judge's scorecards if this stuff is supposed to be so uniform.

 Appealing to IFBB judges is pointless when they themself widely disagree to the point that the scorecards have be whittled down from the highs and lows. It show how subjective this sport is. Appealing only to the judges is pointless when there have been so many outrages and corrupt fixes over time.

That said, you did at least give a better answer this time, not the lazy judges argument when we know the Yates monstrosity was personal friend with many of them and for man years lived off 93 showing and gravitas!

Yet IFBB appointed judges marked Dorian as low as FOURTH PLACE OVERALL in the 97 Olympia. Funny that there could be such a discrepancy between the high and low scoring judge's scorecards if this stuff is supposed to be so uniform

Prove it stop typing it as if it's true a common theme with you is make statements and never back them up . much like Nasser and again highs & lows are tossed out , so Dorian could be forth and still win with straight firsts

Appealing to IFBB judges is pointless when they themself widely disagree to the point that the scorecards have be whittled down from the highs and lows. It show how subjective this sport is. Appealing only to the judges is pointless when there have been so many outrages and corrupt fixes over time.

yes every single one of Nasser's six wins were fixed you can't have it bought ways

That said, you did at least give a better answer this time, not the lazy judges argument when we know the Yates monstrosity was personal friend with many of them and for man years lived off 93 showing and gravitas!

yes and as I pointed out to you before he was friends with Steve Wineberger and he judges Yates once in his career and placed him second to Momo so much for that theory but as usual you don't have much to say on that

[Meso_z]

Oh man, we can argue about the subjective topic of who looks better all you want, but this simple mathematics.  For starters I've read 257 as Dorian's bodyweight for 95 but let's go ahead with your 255 #.

270 - 255 = 15 lbs.

15 divided by 270 = 5.6%

Or taking Dorian's bodyweight as the denominator, 15 divided by 255 = 5.9%

I rounded up to 6%

asshole, leave your hero alone in his own misery. nobody cares what he did or what he does nowadays, you can still argue for decades how many "sandows" he should have "won"  but it just doesnt change the fact that he is a nobody and has "0" olympias. get over it move on with your life tool

[bigbobs]

asshole, leave your hero alone in his own misery. nobody cares what he did or what he does nowadays, you can still argue for decades how many "sandows" he should have "won"  but it just doesnt change the fact that he is a nobody and has "0" olympias. get over it move on with your life tool

hahah Nasser induced meltdown

[Mr.1derful]

It's so apparent that Dorian is smashing Nasser in that pic, that it's not even up for debate.  Total backfire.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh man, we can argue about the subjective topic of who looks better all you want, but this simple mathematics.  For starters I've read 257 as Dorian's bodyweight for 95 but let's go ahead with your 255 #.

270 - 255 = 15 lbs.

15 divided by 270 = 5.6%

Or taking Dorian's bodyweight as the denominator, 15 divided by 255 = 5.9%

I rounded up to 6%

Okay either way he's heavier but again that's a matter of semantics regardless of what it's by because ? he's not out-muscling Dorian and he's 15 pounds heavier so he should be and he's not regardless of what % the advantage is and look at the difference between Dorian between 92 and 93 with just an increase of 6%    night & day , 93 Dorian would make 92 look small , yet with the same weight advantage Nasser can't  it's all a matter of semantics anyway because Shawn Ray was 205 pounds and beat Nasser's 285 pounds despite being out-muscled and out-sized I wonder why? 

[Fury]

is disproven in this picture alone!  I love how Yates fans claim Yates was better than Nasser "from the side" even though pictures speak otherwise.

Who is the fag in the gay boots?