When bodybuilding goes from this to this it's time to stop following this shit

[Playboy]

You have a point. In the old days, one could look at someone like Zane and be motivated to train to try and look like him. Now, you just watch it like you would a Freakshow. That's the only way to appreciate it, but hey... as a Freak..it's hard to top Branch.

x3. I could watch old tapes from the 70's and even the eighties. Astetics ruled, not freak shows. Today's bbdg is one giant circus freakshow.

[crownshep]

Just in case you didn`t notice the writing at the side of the Ivan Putski pic,it says heavyweight 19th place.This was in the nationals in 83,and the winner of the nationals was this physique.How times have changed and different physiques rewarded.

[Cleanest Natural]

Just a difference in opinion, it's much less preeminent than with Arnold of course.

You said Zane has a wide waist for his structure

you are either blind or stupid


Now you clearly feel like an idiot after I posted these shots of Zane's 27 inch waist and of his vacuum where you can clearly see his lumbar disks portruding through his stomach wall

So you are starting to yap about Arnold who looked like a ballerina compared to Jay " Arctic " Cutler or Branch " Sub Zero " Warren "

why are you on this site  ? ?

You know , you are right

they both are comparable

both have guts

the only difference is Zane's is concave and Branch's or Fridge's is convex

[wavelength]

You said Zane has a wide waist for his structure

you are either blind or stupid

Now you clearly feel like an idiot after I posted these shots of Zane's 27 inch waist and of his vacuum where you can clearly see his lumbar disks portruding through his stomach wall

So you are starting to yap about Arnold who looked like a ballerina compared to Jay " Arctic " Cutler or Branch " Sub Zero " Warren "

why are you on this site  ? ?

You know , you are right

they both are comparable

both have guts

the only difference is Zane's is concave and Branch's or Fridge's is convex

Branch at the same level of muscularity as Zane resp. Arnold had a better structure IMO, his waist looked tiny.
I agree that his proportions are worse now. I was just talking about structure and I didn't compare them to Jay or Branch in their current condition.

[bigbobs]

This guy could have been Mr. Olympia or at least a  top contender for the Olympia title back in the day, but today he is not able to get his pro card

[Cleanest Natural]

 

blah blahblah

you opened your mouf without thinking that'all

stick to getting ripped on this  

[Cleanest Natural]

This guy could have been Mr. Olympia or at least a  top contender for the Olympia title back in the day, but today he is not able to get his pro card

 



oh brother 

you really have no clue about bodybuilding do you

[wavelength]

blah blahblah

you opened your mouf without thinking that'all

stick to getting ripped on this  

meltdown

[ThaRealist]

Dude Sev are you totally drunk or something?  Would Frank and Arnold with their physiques of the past get a pro card today? No way, and that is because the judging is totally different now.  There really are plenty of guys on the state and national level that could compete with the guys of yester years and place just as high as they did.  You have to think there are alot more people in the world now and bodybuilding is much more popular than it was in the 60's and 70's.  And quit posting black and white pics next to pics of current bodybuilders in the offseason it makes you look like a moron trying to prove a point that doesn't even make sense.

[Cleanest Natural]

Dude Sev are you totally drunk or something?  Would Frank and Arnold with their physiques of the past get a pro card today? No way, and that is because the judging is totally different now.  There really are plenty of guys on the state and national level that could compete with the guys of yester years and place just as high as they did.  You have to think there are alot more people in the world now and bodybuilding is much more popular than it was in the 60's and 70's.  And quit posting black and white pics next to pics of current bodybuilders in the offseason it makes you look like a moron trying to prove a point that doesn't even make sense.

you just said that the top 2 best bodybuilders of all time would not place today

you my friend are the real moron

and you don't even realize it


btw : bodybuilding is less popular now then at it's peak : the 80's


moron

[ThaRealist]

you just said that the top 2 best bodybuilders of all time would not place today

you my friend are the real moron

and you don't even realize it


btw : bodybuilding is less popular now then at it's peak : the 80's


moron

Let me ask you this Sev, based on what scale that you can come up with are Frank and Arnold are the best two bodybuilders of all time?? I have nothing against the two of them and I do think bodybuilding should go back to what it once was and bodybuilding is more popular now than in the 60's and 70's as I stated. By the late 80's Frank and Arnold were done, because the time you talking about was in the late 80's to early 90's.Sev do you even know the point your trying to make? BTW: Sev, by todays judging standards Arnold and Frank would not place in the Olympia. Who are you trying to fool by even saying that?

[crownshep]

The only true thing you said "realist" is that the judging has changed,and thats the point that sevastase is making.If bloated guts were not rewarded like they are today,then the top guys would have to re-think their drug use to get the look that won in the past.And please don`t say bodybuilding is more popular today,in the 80s and 90s it was shown on tv all the time here in the UK,now we get nothing,and its been that way for a few years.But we do get big time sports like womens pool.

[ThaRealist]

These two pics are more realistic comparisons.  Yes I would love to see bodybuilding go back to the golden years, but Arnold and Frank wouldn't place in the Mr. O compared to today's standards of Ronnie, Jay and ect...

[Swedish Viking]

Black and White photography makes bodies look F-in awesome.  I'm with both sides on this one.  Those guys were the freaks back in the day.  When Sergio hit the scene, I'm sure all the Bill Pearl, Steve Reeves, and even Larry Scott fans flipped their friggin lid.  Having said that, I find nothing inspiring or attractive about todays bbers.  Back then man, those bodies were...art.  

[ThaRealist]

The only true thing you said "realist" is that the judging has changed,and thats the point that sevastase is making.If bloated guts were not rewarded like they are today,then the top guys would have to re-think their drug use to get the look that won in the past.And please don`t say bodybuilding is more popular today,in the 80s and 90s it was shown on tv all the time here in the UK,now we get nothing,and its been that way for a few years.But we do get big time sports like womens pool.

Did you even read my post? When I clearly stated that bodybuilding was at its peak in the late 80's and 90's. Also, I stated that bodybuilding is more popular now than in the 60's and 70's, which were Arnold and Frank's golden years.

That being said. I wish bodybuilding would take a turn for the better not the circus that it is now.  I grew up admiring Arnold, Labrada, Shawn, Mike ect. Nowadays, it seems to be all about just pure muscle and condition and nothing else i.e. Branch winning 2nd.

[MCWAY]

you're an idiot Sev. Back in those days, people looked at Zane and Arnold the way we look at Cutler and branch nowadays. They thought that they were taking it too far and too extreme. If guys like Zane and Arnold would be competing today with the same mentality they had back then, they would be taking just as much, if not more, drugs than the current guys are taking. Arnold started dbol at what, 13?

I don't know about when Arnold supposedly starting using Dbol, but you're dead on the money about how people view bodybuilders.

In fact, about two years ago, I bought an issue of IronMan with a picture of Arnold on the cover (a color pic of him in his prime). The cashier gave her unsolicited opinion, to the tune of "That's nasty!!.

Heck, I remember other students in school saying that about guys like Labrada and Ray from the late 80s (and neither one of them competed over 200 lbs. then).

As far as the fans and former competitors go, it's always a generational thing. The guys from the 50s thought the dudes from the 60s were "roid freaks" or "all drugs".

The guys from the 60s said much the same about the 70s bodybuilders, who in turn said as much about the fellows from the 80s.

And, the guys from the 80s talked the same mess about bodybuilders of the 90s. And (Surprise, SURPRISE), the folks from the 90s swear that they're the best; while, the new millenium competitors are "all drugs".

[#1 Klaus fan]

These two pics are more realistic comparisons.  Yes I would love to see bodybuilding go back to the golden years, but Arnold and Frank wouldn't place in the Mr. O compared to today's standards of Ronnie, Jay and ect...

You didn't understand what this thread is all about. 

[MCWAY]

x3. I could watch old tapes from the 70's and even the eighties. Astetics ruled, not freak shows. Today's bbdg is one giant circus freakshow.

To a degree, bodybuilding has ALWAYS been a "freak shown". Heck, people though Zane was too massive, back in the day.

Show a pic of Zane, in his prime, to the average Joe or Jane, and at least 70% of the response you'll get is "That's gross!!", "That's too much!!" or "Steroids!!"

[njflex]

ALL relative to the times and judging of the era lee priest 5'2 or 5'4 freak,maakaway same height considered more classic lines,but considering zane is 5'9 as reported and cutler same height and competing almost 60/70 lbs heavier is just insane.sev has a good point there.

[Cleanest Natural]

ALL relative to the times and judging of the era lee priest 5'2 or 5'4 freak,maakaway same height considered more classic lines,but considering zane is 5'9 as reported and cutler same height and competing almost 60/70 lbs heavier is just insane.sev has a good point there.

[Stark]

Oh please!  No matter how roided the muscles get... no matter how small the thongs get... no matter how much of a freak show it is... no matter how gay it is (musclegallery, muscle escorts, Weider, Blechman, etc.) admit it: you're not going anywhere!  

And next you're going to tell us that deep down you know we are all semi gay

[Bobby]

i rather look like the pictures from the past, today is freaks and it's impressive but who wants to look like that, there is no envy.

the best compliment a bodybuilder can get is when others say they want to look just like them.

[hench]

that most muscular comparison between arnold and jay just shows how far the sport hasnt come, arnold is harder, more striated in the chest and better defined with far better muscle tie ins, mass with flow.

watching predator one night my mrs said arnold was too much, muscles looked disgusting and thats after slimming down alot.

[BayGBM]

are you fucking high ?

These guys would not get pro cards ? ?


Fans in uproar ? ? ? ? ? ?

WTF ? ? ? ?

( IS EVERYONE SMOKING CRACK AND I GOT PLACEBO ? ?)

Those physiques would not get pro cards today. 

[hench]

realistic comparison, arnold at his lightest and probably worst olympia showing in terms of proportion..

These two pics are more realistic comparisons.  Yes I would love to see bodybuilding go back to the golden years, but Arnold and Frank wouldn't place in the Mr. O compared to today's standards of Ronnie, Jay and ect...