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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #100 on: October 08, 2009, 06:39:04 PM »
If he is the "domestic terrorist" you claim he is, then why was he never prosecuted? Never prosecuted despite huge politcal pressure to make an example of him?

Could it be because the Weather Underground was rife with agent provocaters?

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No, they were NOT provoked.  The investigators used illegal tactics to obtain their evidence.  The police misconduct may justify dismissing the prosecution, but it doesn't exonerate Bill Ayers.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #101 on: October 08, 2009, 06:41:30 PM »
Luke= Would be defending Muslim terrorists if they raped and beheaded his own mother because her decision to eat at McDonald's helps prop up corporate America and encourages Bush administration imperialism.

Ladies and Gentlemen, what we are witnessing in this thread is liberal delusional psychosis at it's worst and most pathetic. I think it's safe to say people who spend their time looking for big foot and defending Bill Ayers are deserving of our support and a straight jacket. So, lets be nice to Luke and try to support him. Mental illness is a serious issue and should not be met with unsympathetic jabs and insults.  

Yes Luke- You made a very intelligent point. All of us are proud of you! Have you considered telling others outside of Getbig your brilliant ideas?








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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #102 on: October 08, 2009, 06:42:46 PM »
Sure thing Luke..again u had no idea what i was talking about..much like u had no idea what Skip or 3 were talking about in the war thread..none. U were wrong about Sparta and ur wrong here. Plus ur defending Ayers..another guy u have no idea about. We'll put all our credentials against urs anyday. Koresh..what did Koresh do...Koresh should have been arrested when he was away from his property...instead Reno used some heavy handed bullshit and got alot of people hurt. I love how u call us all idiots and then ignore our posts. Ayers wasn't arrested because for whatever reason the FBI screwed up the case. How dare some shitbag from a foreign country thats doesn't matter, lecture us.

Goddam u people...i want to filled in on the Bigfoot thing
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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #103 on: October 08, 2009, 06:46:58 PM »

Goddam u people...i want to filled in on the Bigfoot thing


Lol.  Here you go buddy...




Adonis, seriously dude, I went broke trapsing across North America looking for a mythical animal...

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #104 on: October 08, 2009, 06:49:50 PM »

No, they were NOT provoked.  The investigators used illegal tactics to obtain their evidence.  The police misconduct may justify dismissing the prosecution, but it doesn't exonerate Bill Ayers.

...I think you missed the meaning of agent provacateurs.

America has a long history of mass arrests among radical groups justified by the actions of a small fifth column in the group which invariably turn out to be police/governemt agents.

It's happening with the G20 anti-gobalisation protestors today... the rock-throwers have been filmed changing back into their riot police uniforms for example.

You guys are too quick to accept these designations. It's black/white, them/us, good/evil simplistic dichotomy indoctrination.

I just don't buy into it.


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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #105 on: October 08, 2009, 06:55:11 PM »
...I think you missed the meaning of agent provacateurs.

America has a long history of mass arrests among radical groups justified by the actions of a small fifth column in the group which invariably turn out to be police/governemt agents.

It's happening with the G20 anti-gobalisation protestors today... the rock-throwers have been filmed changing back into their riot police uniforms for example.

You guys are too quick to accept these designations. It's black/white, them/us, good/evil simplistic dichotomy indoctrination.

I just don't buy into it.


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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #106 on: October 08, 2009, 07:03:48 PM »
...I think you missed the meaning of agent provacateurs.

America has a long history of mass arrests among radical groups justified by the actions of a small fifth column in the group which invariably turn out to be police/governemt agents.

It's happening with the G20 anti-gobalisation protestors today... the rock-throwers have been filmed changing back into their riot police uniforms for example.

You guys are too quick to accept these designations. It's black/white, them/us, good/evil simplistic dichotomy indoctrination.

I just don't buy into it.


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No, I get your point perfectly, you just can't back it up with fact.  Here's a portion of a statement made by the lead Federal prosecutor:

"I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of "prosecutorial misconduct." It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director."

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There's absolutely NOTHING to indicate that if the group was infiltrated by policing agents, that those agents did anything to incite any type of violence.

By the way, it's "provocateurs", not "provacateurs", it's "government", not "governemt", and it's "protesters", not "protestors".

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #107 on: October 08, 2009, 07:09:52 PM »
“Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country.”

Wanna guess who said that?
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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #108 on: October 08, 2009, 07:33:56 PM »
There's absolutely NOTHING to indicate that if the group was infiltrated by policing agents, that those agents did anything to incite any type of violence.

I doubt the Weathermen were the only radical group that were NOT infiltrated. Every other group at the time, even those less high profile, were systematically infiltrated.


Let me explian something for purely elucidatory purposes, France is the capital of protest.

The French often have millions of people on the street protesting their very far left, very socialist, very radical agenda: they are anti-rich, anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-corporations, anti-everything capitalist really, and it happens just about whenever they feel like it.

Yet the French practically NEVER have any violence during such protests; practically never have any property damage... all very civilised really.


Yet every time a lare group protests a government with a history of justifyng severe reactionary crackdowns by means of agent provocateurs, suddenly these organised unidentified militants appear and quickly escalate the situation; forcing a police reaction.

A good example is the current crop of hooded/masked exceedingly confrontational protestors wearing the exact same military issue boots as the riot police at the G20 and G8 meetings.

Why are only the American and British anti-gobalization protestors so violent? CIA and MI5 perhaps?


Think about that in terms of the Weather Underground... who was doing all this illegal wire-tapping; mail interception etc etc... infiltrators perhaps?



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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #109 on: October 08, 2009, 07:41:49 PM »
No wonder you are derailing this thread.  Skip again exposed you for being a long-worded dunce who is entirely devoid of factual understanding, logic, reason, and common sense. 

I will ask you again - are all the quotes attributed to ayeres admitting guilt fabricated? 

Additionally, the only difference between vandalism and murder is a matter of people being in the vicinity of the bombs when they exploded. 

Under your tortured reasoning, McVeigh would only have been guilty of vandalism but for the deaths in the building.  Had the building been empty, it would have only been vandalism according to your reasoning. 

What a joke you are.   


P.S. please run spell check on your posts.  Your spelling and grammar mistakes are very distracting. 

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #110 on: October 08, 2009, 07:50:09 PM »
Oh god- Luke your ignorance is so pervasive it's comedic. If you weren't so fucking stupid I would take the time to debate you, but its really a total waste of time. In the past three years I can think of at least 3 times where there have been violent riots in the streets of France that started off as "peaceful" protests by college students and other anti government elements. In addition, in the past year alone there have been violent anti government demonstrations in Greece and across South+Central America. I suppose the governments of all those countries also escalated everything and the violent criminals involved in these demonstrations were just minding their own business when they decided to attack the police, set things on fire and flip cars over.  

Since your such an internet intellectual, do some research into the leftist radical groups of the 60' and 70's based in part out of France that were responsible for several bombings, murders and acts of terror across Europe ( especially in France).

The same radical leftist organizations I am referring to worked closely with several Muslim terrorist groups including the PLO- and shared both money and resources with one another.

But then again... Why am I telling you this?  Most phony internet geniuses are aware of all this stuff already.  

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #111 on: October 08, 2009, 07:52:56 PM »
We don't have a long history Luke..and we'd all like to see ur proof...real proof. In American  we call people like u..full of shit. The Left is full of them. I don't care about France..and  the Arab a burnt the place down a few years ago.

I just completed a paper on the French in Algeria and their heavy handed tactics at home and in Algeria in dealing with the media among other things...they shot protestors Luke...shot em. I think GW has done enough to crush ur last ridiculous post.
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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #112 on: October 08, 2009, 07:58:38 PM »
Under your tortured reasoning, McVeigh would only have been guilty of vandalism but for the deaths in the building.  Had the building been empty, it would have only been vandalism according to your reasoning. 

Enough said.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #113 on: October 08, 2009, 07:58:57 PM »
We don't have a long history Luke..and we'd all like to see ur proof...real proof. In American  we call people like u..full of shit. The Left is full of them. I don't care about France..and  the Arab a burnt the place down a few years ago.

I just completed a paper on the French in Algeria and their heavy handed tactics at home and in Algeria in dealing with the media among other things...they shot protestors Luke...shot em. I think GW has done enough to crush ur last ridiculous post.

This thread is hysterical.  Luke will go to whatever lengths to defend, apologize for, explain away, anything that Ayeres and his terrorist wife did.  However, he will reflexively bash Palin and consider her lower than a terrorist like Ayers.

This is why Luke gets the prize for the dumbest poster on Getbig.  His ignorance, stupidity, insanity, and empty rhetoric eclipses even that of Mons or some of the others.  


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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #114 on: October 08, 2009, 08:01:32 PM »
P.S. please run spell check on your posts.  Your spelling and grammar mistakes are very distracting.  

Lol.  I was just busting his balls for giving me shit about, "confounded".  Too funny.

I'm out for the night.

Luke, I live in the northeast.  If I come across any mythical creatures, I'll be sure to let you know.  :D

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #115 on: October 08, 2009, 08:05:03 PM »
Lol.  I was just busting his balls for giving me shit about, "confounded".  Too funny.

I'm out for the night.

Luke, I live in the northeast.  If I come across any mythical creatures, I'll be sure to let you know.  :D

I live in an Irish neighborhood in the Bronx.  Believe me, at 2 a.m. some of those drunk slobs would easily be mistaken for what Luke is looking for. 

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2009, 08:16:05 PM »
In the past three years I can think of at least 3 times where there have been violent riots in the streets of France that started off as "peaceful" protests by college students and other anti government elements.

...weren't those riots originally protests against the G20 and G8 (ie: the governments that engage in this agent provocateur technique)? Doesn't that make MY point?

Protests against the French government seldom if ever result in violence... protests against the banks; British and American goverments somehow always do. Haven't you guys noticed this?


In addition, in the past year alone there have been violent anti government demonstrations in Greece and across South+Central America.

...neither of those are in France, so it's not a valid criticism of my point, just a tangential statement.


Since your such an internet intellectual, do some research into the leftist radical groups of the 60' and 70's based in part out of France that were responsible for several bombings, murders and acts of terror across Europe ( especially in France).

The same radical leftist organizations I am referring to worked closely with several Muslim terrorist groups including the PLO- and shared both money and resources with one another.  

...I was discussing France in the present tense, so that's not a valid criticism either.

I'm aware of the groups you are referring to. I don't see how any of that is relevant to my point.


We don't have a long history Luke..and we'd all like to see ur proof...real proof. In American  we call people like u..full of shit. The Left is full of them. I don't care about France..and  the Arab a burnt the place down a few years ago.

I just completed a paper on the French in Algeria and their heavy handed tactics at home and in Algeria in dealing with the media among other things...they shot protestors Luke...shot em. I think GW has done enough to crush ur last ridiculous post.

...again, I was referring to present day France, check the tenses.

I don't get your argument. Protestors in the US were shot too.


You guys need to read more carefully, I'm open to discussion regarding the points I make... but we're wasting our time if I'm continuously attacked on points I didn't make.


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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #118 on: June 27, 2014, 04:30:15 PM »
Clearly this board was more fun back in 2009.