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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2009, 09:57:31 AM »
OCTOBER 9, 2009, 12:16 P.M. ET Nobel Committee's Decision Courts Controversy Article Video Comments (82) more in World »Email Printer
  
By GUY CHAZAN and ALISTAIR MACDONALD



The award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama, so early in his presidency, is bound to reignite criticism of the workings of the Nobel committee.

The deadline for nominations for the prize was Feb. 1 -- two weeks after Mr. Obama was inaugurated.

"So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far," former Polish President Lech Walesa, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983, said Friday. "He is still at an early stage."

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The Peace Prize Committee, made up of Norwegians, appeared to have anticipated criticism of its choice. (The other Nobel prizes are awarded by a Swedish committee.) Committee Chairman Thorbjorn Jagland said the prize often has been used to encourage laureates rather than reward them for their achievements.

"The committee wants to not only endorse but contribute to enhancing that kind of international policy and attitude which [Obama] stands for," said Mr. Jagland, a former Norwegian prime minister, said at a news conference.

He cited the example of Willy Brandt, the West German chancellor who won the prize in 1971. That award, he said, encouraged Mr. Brandt to pursue Ostpolitik, the push to normalize West Germany's relations with the communist bloc. Mr. Brandt was elected chancellor in 1969 and served until 1974.

Muhammad Yunus, the Bangladeshi winner of the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize, said he wasn't expecting the Obama award but said the president "has done some things already and he has the wonderful possibility of doing more things."

Mr. Obama's main achievement so far was the change the policy of his predecessor who had "put the world on a war footing [and] created suspicion and division," Mr. Yunus said in a telephone interview. But his policy announcements on moving towards nuclear disarmament, halting missile defense in Europe and securing peace in the Middle East gave grounds for hope, he said.

Mr. Yunus, who made his name by establishing a bank providing tiny loans to women in his native Bangladesh, a development copied in many other poor countries, said he heard about his own award from a Norwegian television journalist only about 15 minutes before it was announced. Normally, he was told, the recipient is informed about an hour before the announcement.

The Nobel committee has courted controversy from time-to-time ever since its founding in 1901. In 1906, it awarded the peace prize to President Theodore Roosevelt for his role in bringing an end to the Russo-Japanese war. But for many Americans and others around the world, Roosevelt was better known for his willingness to project U.S. military force, including a global tour of an expanded U.S. Navy, not to mention his pre-Presidential exploits as a cavalry officer during the Spanish-American war of 1898.

The Norwegians also earned big brickbats in 1973 for awarding the prize to Henry Kissinger, vilified by many on the left as a pushing for the expansion of the Vietnam War into neighboring countries. His co-laureate, the Vietnamese politician Le Duc Tho, was the only person ever to decline the award.

The committee has also been criticized for political bias, especially after it awarded the Nobel to Jimmy Carter in 2002 and Al Gore in 2007 -- moves that were both seen as rebukes to the then U.S. president, George W. Bush.

They've also been slammed for their omissions. Mahatma Gandhi, the iconic leader of the Indian independence movement and a symbol of nonviolence, never won the Nobel, though he was nominated five times.

The selection process has become increasingly cumbersome as the aura around the prize has grown. There are now between 150 and 200 nominations every year: This year saw a record 205.

Examples of nominees who didn't win the peace prize include Josef Stalin, the Soviet dictator, and Adolf Hitler, whose name was put forward in 1939.

When all the nominations are in, the committee draws up a short list of between five and 20 candidates which are then considered by the Nobel Institute's director and research director and a group of Norwegian university professors. Their reports on the candidates are then discussed by the five-member prize committee.

Members, all of whom are former or serving deputies of the Storting, the Norwegian parliament, seek to reach a unanimous decision -- normally by mid-September -- but this has sometimes proved impossible and the choice is then made by a simple majority vote.

Some have criticized the selection procedure as untransparent. The committee never announces the names of nominees and information about candidacies is only made public 50 years after the decision. "It is all done in secret, you don't know what is happening and whoever sits on that panel is very susceptible to the tides of the moment," said Philip Towle, an academic from the department of politics and international studies at the University of Cambridge.

Even in Norway, where Mr. Obama enjoys huge popularity, the decision raised eyebrows among some. "It is just too soon," said Siv Jensen, leader of Norway's main opposition party, the Progress Party. "It is wrong to give him the peace prize for his ambition. You should receive it for results."

She said that the decision to bestow the award on the president was the most controversial she could remember and was one of a number that had moved the prize further away from the ideals of Alfred Nobel.

Others made the same point in somewhat more diplomatic language. Amnesty International, which won the peace prize in 1977, congratulated Mr. Obama but said he couldn't stop there. "President Obama has taken some positive steps towards improving human rights in the U.S.A. and abroad, but much remains to be done," said Irene Kahn, Amnesty's secretary general.

—Joel Sherwood contributed to this article.

Write to Guy Chazan at guy.chazan@wsj.com and Alistair MacDonald at alistair.macdonald@wsj.com


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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2009, 09:58:14 AM »
The prize was a joke when Gore won for a documentary.  Now it's just pathetic.  I'm not all that shocked though.  It's the epitome of lib thinking:  Give a reward, not for accomplishment, but for saying what you would like to accomplish.

Well, with Gore's award came a whole new movement, a movement so powerful that it help Spawn Chevy's new Volt, which they spent billions on, and the fate of GM is riding on. Formula one now has KERs flybrids (okay hasn't work out to well), Nd that shows promise on street cars, FerrRi has applied for apatent four scour wheel drive hybrid, Tesla's Roadster electric is selling well, Lexus has 4 hybrids in their line up, and most of the cars in he market will as well. And this is just a small part of that movement. Now he didn't start the Geeen Movement, but his award gave it the wind and cred that it needed

hopefull the same can be said about obama. I can only look at this as plus. Besides, if it was found out he was up for it and lost, the right would again chastise him

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2009, 10:00:25 AM »
Well, with Gore's award came a whole new movement, a movement so powerful that it help Spawn Chevy's new Volt, which they spent billions on, and the fate of GM is riding on. Formula one now has KERs flybrids (okay hasn't work out to well), Nd that shows promise on street cars, FerrRi has applied for apatent four scour wheel drive hybrid, Tesla's Roadster electric is selling well, Lexus has 4 hybrids in their line up, and most of the cars in he market will as well. And this is just a small part of that movement. Now he didn't start the Geeen Movement, but his award gave it the wind and cred that it needed

hopefull the same can be said about obama. I can only look at this as plus. Besides, if it was found out he was up for it and lost, the right would again chastise him

He should have turned it down and shown an ounce of dignity and humility.  I'm sure Michelle already has the $$$ spent on her wardrobe.     

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2009, 10:01:39 AM »
U fucking lib pieces of shit..u morons hated Bush and everything he stood for..now this worthless shitbag who is destroying this country piece by piece wins a lefty prize for 11 days of work and we're un American....hey KC when u have done more for ur country  then I have..then u can spout that bullshit. My point was in jest, because nothing that short Taliban statement said was in anyway different then most people actually felt when they heard this. Barry doesn't even believe it. These are the same idiots who overlooked Reagan but gave Gorbachev one.
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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2009, 10:08:16 AM »
U fucking lib pieces of shit..u morons hated Bush and everything he stood for..now this worthless shitbag who is destroying this country piece by piece wins a lefty prize for 11 days of work and we're un American....hey KC when u have done more for ur country  then I have..then u can spout that bullshit. My point was in jest, because nothing that short Taliban statement said was in anyway different then most people actually felt when they heard this. Barry doesn't even believe it. These are the same idiots who overlooked Reagan but gave Gorbachev one.

I seriously dont see how anyone can justify Obama not turning this down. 

 

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2009, 10:12:59 AM »
My point was in jest,


Yeah, I'm not bothering with them.  If they're not bright enough to realize something said in jest, there's really no point in trying to have a reasonable discussion.

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2009, 10:16:23 AM »
Almost as big of a joke as giving it to a terrorist. A few years down the road and some progress, maybe. Less than a year after taking office? What a joke.

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2009, 10:34:50 AM »
He should have turned it down and shown an ounce of dignity and humility.  I'm sure Michelle already has the $$$ spent on her wardrobe.     
If he turned it down, then there would be a international firestorm and media wildfire here. Internatinally it would make him seem like he is acting too good or elitist. Also it would go against his cred ( whatever he has now) and work against him the future. For instance, a another war or international affair, "oh you need our help, remember you were too good for the Nobel Prize, bit now you are asking for our help. Another example. Condemning the Chinese on their actions in Africa, " your telling us what do, yet america feels like accepting international awards is beneath them. With the middle east, it shows that America has contempt and arrogance toward the international community and further distrust will ensue.

In the states HD would be criticized for ostricizing the us, further than now, and growing concerns of our international leadership. He would also be portrayed as "The Uppity Negro", one who thinks his shit (and America's) doesn't stink. Too much riding. Just accept the award and go. At least this is a somewhat positive as countries who may have thought that he just a continuation of american's Imperialist and do as I say, not do as I do philosophy, shows that it is not.

In a perfect world I too would say, decline it.

I apologize for any mispellings or runons, I'm typing on my iPhone, while waiting to get blood drawn.

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2009, 10:42:25 PM »
it was a simple question that required a one word answer instead youve decide to post 2 times in saying you have shit to do today

would you be happy if bush had won the prize?

dont post in this thread again and say youre busy numb nut

piss off

I'll do what I want and I'm sure you will to

If Bush won the Nobel Peace Prize (trying to imagine how that would happen) my first, second and third reaction would not be to piss on my country or my president

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2009, 11:10:47 PM »
piss off

I'll do what I want and I'm sure you will to

If Bush won the Nobel Peace Prize (trying to imagine how that would happen) my first, second and third reaction would not be to piss on my country or my president
lol i didnt piss on my country at all

I will do what i want i dont need a little shit such as yourself trying to call me unamerican or unpatriotic for calling a spade a fuking spade

sorry if you cant handle the truth hoss

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2009, 11:35:44 PM »
I sure wouldn't have been happy if Bush was awarded it.

he invaded iraq for oil, and ignored intel hand-delivered in the middle of the night about 911.  he was either okay with it, or lazy beyond words.

Either way, letting 911 happen (and subsequent war) then invading for WMD which didn't exist aren't exactly peaceful actions.  At least Obama hasn't started any wars, and has actually STOPPED attacks on our soil.  Bush didn't bother to read the memo which came in the middle of hte night.  He handed it to condi, who gave it to rummy, and nobody read it.  911 could have been stopped.

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2009, 11:56:23 PM »
I sure wouldn't have been happy if Bush was awarded it.

he invaded iraq for oil, and ignored intel hand-delivered in the middle of the night about 911.  he was either okay with it, or lazy beyond words.

Either way, letting 911 happen (and subsequent war) then invading for WMD which didn't exist aren't exactly peaceful actions.  At least Obama hasn't started any wars, and has actually STOPPED attacks on our soil.  Bush didn't bother to read the memo which came in the middle of hte night.  He handed it to condi, who gave it to rummy, and nobody read it.  911 could have been stopped.
iono 240 he did a butt load for africans and aids

thats much more then obama has done  ;) especially 2 weeks into his presidency when he was nominated  ::)

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #87 on: October 10, 2009, 12:01:08 AM »
BOTTOM LINE:

if he doesnt deserve it yet HE DOESNT FUKING DESERVE IT!!!!! plain and simple

Correct.  This was already stated by 240:

He doesn't deserve it

as well as Obama stating it:

To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize


Now.... who the hell are you arguing with, dude? 


WHO SAYS HE DESERVES IT? 

Nobody.  You're having a fistfight with your shadow man.

HAVE A BEER TONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #88 on: October 10, 2009, 05:09:54 AM »
tonymctones 333386 headhuntersix = sore losers

next time don't run macain with a retard, its your own fault

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #89 on: October 10, 2009, 08:46:14 AM »
U fucking lib pieces of shit..u morons hated Bush and everything he stood for..now this worthless shitbag who is destroying this country piece by piece wins a lefty prize for 11 days of work and we're un American....hey KC when u have done more for ur country  then I have..then u can spout that bullshit. My point was in jest, because nothing that short Taliban statement said was in anyway different then most people actually felt when they heard this. Barry doesn't even believe it. These are the same idiots who overlooked Reagan but gave Gorbachev one.

As a mental midget dipshit, you shouldn't be attempting to determine what other people think and what they have deserved or not.

It isn't healthy for one to be so jealous about their boss.

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #90 on: October 10, 2009, 08:47:03 AM »
tonymctones 333386 headhuntersix = sore losers

next time don't run macain with a retard, its your own fault

I voted for Romney in the primary. 

BTW GFY U POS.

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #91 on: October 10, 2009, 09:21:45 AM »
lol i didnt piss on my country at all

I will do what i want i dont need a little shit such as yourself trying to call me unamerican or unpatriotic for calling a spade a fuking spade

sorry if you cant handle the truth hoss

sure you did (as did others)

this prize is as much for the country as it is for the POTUS

too bad you're too dense to understand that

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #92 on: October 10, 2009, 09:23:58 AM »
sure you did (as did others)

this prize is as much for the country as it is for the POTUS

too bad you're too dense to understand that

Prize for what?  Winning a campaign against a weak opponent? 

Had Dear Leader been white, Hillary would have destroyed him. 

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #93 on: October 10, 2009, 09:27:40 AM »
sure you did (as did others)

this prize is as much for the country as it is for the POTUS

too bad you're too dense to understand that
LOL dude STFU seriously...hahhahha

so you admit this wasnt for anything other then not being bush? you really think thats deserving of a noble peace prize?

whats embarrasing to this country are ppl like you and 240 who defend this bullshit


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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #94 on: October 10, 2009, 09:32:24 AM »
LOL dude STFU seriously...hahhahha

so you admit this wasnt for anything other then not being bush? you really think thats deserving of a noble peace prize?

whats embarrasing to this country are ppl like you and 240 who defend this bullshit

POTUS is the most powerul leader on the planet.

As soon as he got into office started trying to mend fences (remember the speeches in the Arabl world which you probably shit all over too) in an attempt to correct the most disastrous 8 years of foreign policy in the history of our country.

I see it as an affirmation of the will of the American people, the actions that Obama started immediately after his inaugeration and no doubt an attempt to push him to further action.

I'll predict people like you will keep pissing and moaning about this until you find the next success or failure (really doesn't matter does it?) to criticize him about

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2009, 09:33:33 AM »
POTUS is the most powerul leader on the planet.

As soon as he got into office started trying to mend fences (remember the speeches in the Arabl world which you probably shit all over too) in an attempt to correct the most disastrous 8 years of foreign policy in the history of our country.

I see it as an affirmation of the will of the American people, the actions that Obama started immediately after his inaugeration and no doubt an attempt to push him to further action.

I'll predict people like you will keep pissing and moaning about this until you find the next success or failure (really doesn't matter does it?) to criticize him about

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #96 on: October 10, 2009, 09:41:02 AM »


right back at you dumbass

as soon as Obama has another success or failure you'll be criticizing that too.

he could shit diamonds and you'd find some way to have a problem with it

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #97 on: October 10, 2009, 09:44:00 AM »
right back at you dumbass

as soon as Obama has another success or failure you'll be criticizing that too.

he could shit diamonds and you'd find some way to have a problem with it

Actually, I am still waiting for you clowns to admit I was spot on about the effects of the Stimulus and C4C that you libs shilled for. 

I'll help you out. 

FAILURE!


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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #98 on: October 10, 2009, 09:45:45 AM »
POTUS is the most powerul leader on the planet.

As soon as he got into office started trying to mend fences (remember the speeches in the Arabl world which you probably shit all over too) in an attempt to correct the most disastrous 8 years of foreign policy in the history of our country.

I see it as an affirmation of the will of the American people, the actions that Obama started immediately after his inaugeration and no doubt an attempt to push him to further action.

I'll predict people like you will keep pissing and moaning about this until you find the next success or failure (really doesn't matter does it?) to criticize him about
when did he make those speeches straw?

face it hoss this is nothing other then a "your not bush award"

even if you believe the shit youre saying youre admitting this is simply a political ploy

Obama hasnt done much to give credence to straw plain and simple the good will we supposedly have abroad is probably his high point as president as of now. That doesnt equate to a noble peace prize bro open your eyes and see this for what it is.

You say 333, me and others will shit on him for everything but you overlook the fact that you will praise him for everything...

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Re: Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is an "Embarassing Joke"
« Reply #99 on: October 10, 2009, 09:57:08 AM »
ppl like you and 240

it's saturday morning and youre still bringing me up nonstop.  take your meds.