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US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« on: October 29, 2009, 02:29:40 PM »


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The US economy grew at an annualized rate of 3.5% between July and September, its first expansion in more than a year, official data has shown. Commentators say the growth was helped by President Obama's $787bn (£480bn) stimulus plan, and the fear is growth will now fall as this comes to an end.
The US economy was also lifted by the "Cash for Clunkers" car scrappage scheme, which finished in August.
But with unemployment still high, the ongoing recovery is set to be slow


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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 02:34:47 PM »
Its pure nonsesne based on govt borrowing.
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The GDP Mirage (By overlooking cuts in many areas, GDP greatly overstates the economy's strength)
Businessweek ^ | 10/29/2009 | Michael Mandel


Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:20:16 PM by SeekAndFind

Here's a riddle: If a scientist or engineer is laid off, does it affect gross domestic product?

The third-quarter GDP figures, released on Oct. 29, showed the economy growing at a 3.5% annual pace, breaking a string of four consecutive negative quarters. The growth was driven mostly by a surge in the production of motor vehicles and other manufactured goods.

This number was greeted by many economists and journalists as confirmations that the recession is over. What's more, the rise in real GDP, combined with a sharp fall in employment in the third quarter, implies that productivity also soared during the period. Good news, right?

The trouble is that those GDP and productivity growth figures could be significantly overestimated—perhaps by one percentage point or even more.

That's because the official statistics are not designed to pick up cutbacks in "intangible investments" such as business spending on research and development, product design, and worker training. There's ample evidence to suggest that companies, to reduce costs and boost short-term profits, are slashing this kind of spending, which is essential for innovation. Without investment in intangibles, the U.S. can't compete in a knowledge-based global economy. Yet you won't see that plunge reflected in the GDP and productivity statistics, which are still too focused on more traditional sectors, such as motor vehicles and construction.

In effect, government statisticians are trying to track a 21st century bust with 20th century tools. Not only is that distorting the critical data that investors, policymakers, and corporate executives use to evaluate the economy, but it might also be creating a false sense of relief as Americans battle a brutal recession.

Here's a sobering sign that companies are robbing the future to pay for short-term profits:

(Excerpt) Read more at businessweek.com

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The UE is still climbing.  With an economy that is 70% consumer spending, this is pure garbage that the economy grew by 3.5%.  What grew is govt debt. 

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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 02:46:40 PM »
Its pure nonsesne based on govt borrowing.

did you read what i underlined  ??? theres really no need to go on a copy-paste tangent. The dept. commerce itself said it was based off of borrowing.

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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 02:58:51 PM »
did you read what i underlined  ??? theres really no need to go on a copy-paste tangent. The dept. commerce itself said it was based off of borrowing.

I know you did, it was just ridiculous to see Turbo Tax out there spewing more lies. 

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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 03:14:02 PM »
great news. 

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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 03:15:35 PM »
great news. 

Yeah, more fake numbers you predictably believe.

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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 03:49:16 PM »
Yeah, more fake numbers you predictably believe.

They aren't fake, just hocus pocus economics. 3.5% growth completely pumped up from govt. spending and subsidy schemes like Cash for Clunkers. Take away the govt. giving people money, digging holes and giving people other peoples money to buy cars and take on debt and this number is really bad.

I'm sure Q4 will dissapoint and this will be revised down.

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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 04:48:43 PM »
They aren't fake, just hocus pocus economics. 3.5% growth completely pumped up from govt. spending and subsidy schemes like Cash for Clunkers. Take away the govt. giving people money, digging holes and giving people other peoples money to buy cars and take on debt and this number is really bad.

I'm sure Q4 will dissapoint and this will be revised down.

Schiff on the GDP report. 


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Re: US GDP grew 3.5% in 3rd quarter.
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 06:35:39 PM »
Schiff on the GDP report. 



schiff's whole tv career is based upon his predictions. 

If the economy recovers, the bulk of what he's been writing and saying for the last 5 years is suddenly worthless.

he would no longer sell books, and would no longer be asked to speak on cnbc.  In other words, if/when the economy recovery, Schiff will lose money.

So while I own his book and think he's a very smart man, he does have motive to paint a frowny picture in response to every single piece of good news that comes out...