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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2009, 06:54:56 AM »
wishful thinking on your part.  the percentages of like/dislike for gay marriage is getting smaller every year.  brace your tits, gird up your loins, join the 21st century; it will happen.

Whatever, go suck a dick. 

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2009, 07:04:46 AM »
wishful thinking on your part.  the percentages of like/dislike for gay marriage is getting smaller every year.  brace your tits, gird up your loins, join the 21st century; it will happen.

There's an old southern saying: pouring syrup on shit don't make it a pancake.

Changing the law will not affect people's feelings one bit.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2009, 07:50:01 AM »
wishful thinking on your part.  the percentages of like/dislike for gay marriage is getting smaller every year.  brace your tits, gird up your loins, join the 21st century; it will happen.

Hmmm.....that's funny!! Gay "marriage" supporters go to the most liberal and the "bluest" of states, spend considerably more money than their opponents ($4 million vs. $2.5 million in Maine; $43 million vs. $40 million in California), yet they still keep losing.

They get blown out in other states. The average margin of an amendment passing is 68-32.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2009, 07:59:52 AM »
Many people would support gay unions with benefits but not redefining marriage.  That's the way it should be IMO.  I'm fine with gay couples having similar rights but marriage is a definition between a man and woman and intended to help propogate the species in a balanced initial environment.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2009, 08:24:04 AM »
still waiting for one pro gay marriage advocate to tell me how this breaches the constitution...

if you cant then i guess that says it all doesnt it?  ;)

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2009, 10:51:42 AM »
still waiting for one pro gay marriage advocate to tell me how this breaches the constitution...

if you cant then i guess that says it all doesnt it?  ;)

It doesn't. That being said I do wonder about one or two things... purely out of morbid curiosity. Does having "gay marriage" in some states but not others and/or valid marriage licenses issued in Ca (during that window) rob other gays of their 14th Amendment rights? None of GetBig's lawyer types have ever answered when I've asked. On its face I'd guess it's a state's rights issue but the curiosity over California creating a separate, unequal class still exists.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2009, 07:20:18 PM »
It doesn't. That being said I do wonder about one or two things... purely out of morbid curiosity. Does having "gay marriage" in some states but not others and/or valid marriage licenses issued in Ca (during that window) rob other gays of their 14th Amendment rights? None of GetBig's lawyer types have ever answered when I've asked. On its face I'd guess it's a state's rights issue but the curiosity over California creating a separate, unequal class still exists.
I would say since it is passed on a state ballot it would be a states right issue just like gun laws that differ from state to state. Good question though as gay married couples do get federal benefits i believe in the form of filing jointly for taxes...could prove to be another hook the Gay and lesbian movement uses to get this back in Federal court.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2009, 06:00:41 AM »
Whatever, go suck a dick. 
wow; great thoughtful answer. is that the solution you use with other arguments?  you must like getting blown! 
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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2009, 06:42:35 AM »
wow; great thoughtful answer. is that the solution you use with other arguments?  you must like getting blown! 

No, but I thought it fit in with your advocacy for gay marriage, which no one wants. 

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2009, 10:21:45 AM »
No, but I thought it fit in with your advocacy for gay marriage, which no one wants. 
well, except Washington state, which had people vote and it was approved.
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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2009, 11:02:06 AM »
well, except Washington state, which had people vote and it was approved.
"slowly, I turn, step by step......"
it will just go back and forth you retard why dont you and your boyfriend give each other power of attorney over each other?

can you explain to me how this breaches the US constitution?

No you cant so I hope that you and your boyfriend support others when they want the states to recognize polygamy...

Face it bro your ilk and the PC bullshit they have been pushing for is starting to run its course thanks in large part to your fighting for others who dont even appreciate your efforts... ;)

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2009, 12:34:06 PM »
still waiting for one pro gay marriage advocate to tell me how this breaches the constitution...

if you cant then i guess that says it all doesnt it?  ;)

and where in the constitution is hetero marriage mentioned?
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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2009, 01:24:55 PM »
and where in the constitution is hetero marriage mentioned?
marriage is defined as a man and a woman by law through statutes and common law...perhaps you didnt see my earlier post and as ill assume your as ignorant on this as you are everything else youve posted on in the board.

The govt cannot discriminate between citizens but it can create different classes as long as it treats everyone within that class equally. i.e. all men and women have the right to marry any other opposite sex individual they want. I.E. there is no discrimination

again why dont you and your boyfriend just give each other power of attorney over one another?

try answering my questions instead of deflecting

how is this in breach of the US constitution?

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2009, 05:20:56 AM »
marriage is defined as a man and a woman by law through statutes and common law...perhaps you didnt see my earlier post and as ill assume your as ignorant on this as you are everything else youve posted on in the board.

The govt cannot discriminate between citizens but it can create different classes as long as it treats everyone within that class equally. i.e. all men and women have the right to marry any other opposite sex individual they want. I.E. there is no discrimination

again why dont you and your boyfriend just give each other power of attorney over one another?

try answering my questions instead of deflecting

how is this in breach of the US constitution?

can it be done with taxes, too?  joint vs. single filings?
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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2009, 05:46:11 AM »
marriage is defined as a man and a woman by law through statutes and common law...perhaps you didnt see my earlier post and as ill assume your as ignorant on this as you are everything else youve posted on in the board.

The govt cannot discriminate between citizens but it can create different classes as long as it treats everyone within that class equally. i.e. all men and women have the right to marry any other opposite sex individual they want. I.E. there is no discrimination

again why dont you and your boyfriend just give each other power of attorney over one another?

try answering my questions instead of deflecting

how is this in breach of the US constitution?

You know no one is gonna answer the question because they're unwilling to admit this has nothing to do with hospitals, taxes, benefits, bigotry, racism, constitution or any of the additional reasons people make up.

It is funny that they really believe "gay marriage" will make them feel normal and 100% accepted by society. I've met tons of married people who aren't normal or who have felt having one perfect day (reception) would change their lives forever, LOL!

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #65 on: November 08, 2009, 06:25:26 AM »
can it be done with taxes, too?  joint vs. single filings?
its already done with taxes in the form of tax brackets...joint vs. single filings is within a number of different classes

well i guess for this we could just say either married or single and as we know marriage is between any man and any woman there is still no discrimination as every man and woman has that right...i.e. are being treated equally.

you pass a gay marriage law and Ill sue b/c you guys can go into a male locker room and watch other males change and i cant go into a womans locker room  ;D that shit seem fair to you?

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #66 on: November 08, 2009, 07:45:40 AM »
its already done with taxes in the form of tax brackets...joint vs. single filings is within a number of different classes

well i guess for this we could just say either married or single and as we know marriage is between any man and any woman there is still no discrimination as every man and woman has that right...i.e. are being treated equally.

you pass a gay marriage law and Ill sue b/c you guys can go into a male locker room and watch other males change and i cant go into a womans locker room  ;D that shit seem fair to you?

Gay Liberals like Chad have two mental disorders going on at the same time.  What elese do you expect Tony? 

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #67 on: November 08, 2009, 08:15:58 AM »
HEALTH REFORM PASSES !!!!!  ;D

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #68 on: November 08, 2009, 08:41:54 AM »
HEALTH REFORM PASSES !!!!!  ;D

You need to understand the political process a little better.  :)


Hopefully critics, self included, are dead wrong about it being unaffordable.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #69 on: November 08, 2009, 08:49:29 AM »
You need to understand the political process a little better.  :)


Hopefully critics, self included, are dead wrong about it being unaffordable.

Kaje - check out my thread about Era of Blaming Bush.

I posted the original cost estimates for Gvt Health Care vs. reality.   

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2009, 08:54:28 AM »
^^^^ NeoCon Bush sympathizer loses AGAIN !!  :-*

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2009, 08:59:23 AM »
Kaje - check out my thread about Era of Blaming Bush.

I posted the original cost estimates for Gvt Health Care vs. reality.   

I still blame Clinton for some of this mess, LOL!

It'll be a long time before Bush is off the hook. He started this bailout nonsense in the first place. Everyone would have screamed Socialism/Marxism or nationalization of private debt way too loud for Obama to have gotten away with spending money like this. Letting AIG fail would have saved trillions.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2009, 09:04:50 AM »
I still blame Clinton for some of this mess, LOL!

It'll be a long time before Bush is off the hook. He started this bailout nonsense in the first place. Everyone would have screamed Socialism/Marxism or nationalization of private debt way too loud for Obama to have gotten away with spending money like this. Letting AIG fail would have saved trillions.

Kaje:

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #73 on: November 08, 2009, 09:26:28 AM »
Kaje:

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.

That's the problem, LOL! Even if they are half as wrong this time it will end up causing a huge tax increase on the middle class.

Poorer libs feel the cost isn't an issue because it'll never be their money paying. There's only so much in taxes that can be borne by employers and at some point you've got to pay the piper. It's either pass costs onto the middle class or companies will not be able to grow at a rate where hiring employees is affordable.

Considering the richest 1% already pay 39% of all taxes there isn't much room for an increase. Even if you tweaked capital gains taxes again, there wouldn't be enough money. Inheritance taxes going up more would put the final nail in family owned, small farm's coffin. Earned income credit may be only place left where people can possibly be sold on the idea that any pain may be worth it.

If I'm right... those the bill is trying to save will be most harmed. This is a math argument that people are more than willing to pretend is political. Instead of saying stupid shit like Clinton, Bush, Obama, Liberal, Commie, NeoCon, etc..... people should just explain where the money is going to come from.

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Re: Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2009, 10:50:41 AM »
its already done with taxes in the form of tax brackets...joint vs. single filings is within a number of different classes

well i guess for this we could just say either married or single and as we know marriage is between any man and any woman there is still no discrimination as every man and woman has that right...i.e. are being treated equally.

you pass a gay marriage law and Ill sue b/c you guys can go into a male locker room and watch other males change and i cant go into a womans locker room  ;D that shit seem fair to you?

fair.... and sometimes hot.  except that having done exhaustive research, 99.8% percent arent worth a second glance.   
but for that one needs to check out   www.lpsg.org
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