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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2009, 04:36:34 PM »
O....if I did the same thing..it would be easier to get rid of me.
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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2009, 01:03:39 AM »
NRO...

It looks like the man who killed 13 soldiers and police at Ft. Hood was a Muslim radical who hated America, resented our occupation of Muslim lands, would not be photographed with women, and chanted "Allahu Akbar" before he launched a one-man terrorist attack, but according to CBS White House Correspondent Mark Knoller, Obama wants to know what really made him do it:


Obama said he met today with FBI Director et al to discuss "what caused one individual to turn his gun on fellow servicemen and women.”


It's hard not to be reminded of Obama's famous post-9/11 remarks, which first came to light in the New Yorker last summer. This from a speech the week after the attacks in which he likewise wanted to know, what would cause a bunch of Muslim fanatics to fly airplanes into American buildings:


We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.


You have to wonder: Will Obama still find that the fundamental tragedy was not the murder of 13 Americans at the hands of a terrorist, but the failure of our society to address his grievances before he was forced to turn to violence? Are we still to blame for our indifference to poverty, ignorance, helplessness and despair?


I couldn't agree with that more. Those who lack empathy to the suffering of others and who express a particular delight for the pain and suffering of others are ticking time bombs waiting to explode. And then there are those who are selective about their empathy... saving it all for one demographic and unleashing putrid hatred for another.
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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2009, 01:20:14 AM »
Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim American soldier with the 326th Engineer Battalion, had an “attitude problem.”

According to his superiors and acquaintances, Akbar’s attitude was bitterly anti-American and staunchly pro-Muslim. So how did this devout follower of the so-called Religion of Peace work out his attitudinal problems last weekend?

By lobbing hand grenades and aiming his M-4 automatic rifle into three tents filled with sleeping commanding officers at the 101st Airborne Division’s 1st Brigade operations center in Kuwait.

Akbar is the lone suspect being detained in the despicable attack, which left more than a dozen wounded and one dead. Surviving soldiers say Akbar, found cowering in a bunker with shrapnel injuries, was overheard ranting after the assault: “You guys are coming into our countries, and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”

“Our”? At least there’s no doubt about where this Religion of Peace practitioner’s true loyalties lie.

Naturally, apologists for Islam-gone-awry are hard at work dismissing this traitorous act of murder as an “isolated, individual act and not an expression of faith.” But such sentiments are willfully blind and recklessly p.c.

Sgt. Akbar is not the only MSWA — Muslim soldier with attitude — suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security:

– Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA.

A former classmate, Jason T. Fogg, recalled that Mohamed was openly critical of the American military. “To be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country.”

Soon after he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1989, Mohamed hooked up with Osama bin Laden as an escort, trainer, bagman and messenger. Mohamed used his U.S. passport to conduct surveillance at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi; he later pled guilty to conspiring with bin Laden to “attack any Western target in the Middle East” and admitted his role in the 1998 African embassy bombings that killed more than 200 people, including a dozen Americans.

Ain’t multiculturalism grand?

– Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al Qaeda in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded nearly 400 other Americans.

Osman was arrested last May as part of a federal investigation into the establishment of a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon. Osman recently pleaded guilty to a weapons violation, and the feds dropped immigration charges against him in exchange for his testimony.

Ain’t open borders grand?

– John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad’s superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and The Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was “trouble from day one.”

Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.

Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.

Ain’t tolerance grand?

– Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and “enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America.” According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan.

Ain’t diversity grand?

Now what do all these men have in common?
They're all in the military! that seems to be the common denominator.
Are we gonna be hearing about YOU going postal soon HH6?


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“It’s bad enough we have to worry about enemy forces, but now we have to worry about our own guys,” Spc. Autumn Simmer told the Los Angeles Times this week after the assault on the 101st Airborne. The Islamist infiltration of our troops is scandalous. Not one more American, soldier or civilian, must be sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism, diversity, open borders, and tolerance of the murderous “attitude” of Jihad.

Looks like Spc Simmer has a point. Is the military full of pre-postal nutbags?
...or is this part of the grand design to destroy America, ...get everyone to start looking sidewise at military.
Then they start taking out and dismantling the military... ya know... to keep Americans safe.
And the public besotted with fear will say OK, dismantle the military...cause we all know how y'all react when you're scared. you give up your power and your rights to the nearest tin pot dictator who surfaces. Ok... so now all the military is gone... and they can just roll right in and take over. How's that for a conspiracy theory. 333386, you're welcome to roll with that one. I know dreaming these things up and pulling them out of your derriére must be hard work... so there's a freebie you can run with. don't say I never gave you nuthin.  :D
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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2009, 01:27:44 AM »
What's the answer to this problem, though? Take all Muslims out of service? I'm sure that organizations like the CIA employ many Muslims (including American Muslims) who are just as patriotic as us and helping to fight these radical nutjobs.



Wow, ...we're actually on the same page here.
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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2009, 04:34:33 AM »

Now what do all these men have in common?
They're all in the military! that seems to be the common denominator.
Are we gonna be hearing about YOU going postal soon HH6?


Looks like Spc Simmer has a point. Is the military full of pre-postal nutbags?
...or is this part of the grand design to destroy America, ...get everyone to start looking sidewise at military.
Then they start taking out and dismantling the military... ya know... to keep Americans safe.
And the public besotted with fear will say OK, dismantle the military...cause we all know how y'all react when you're scared. you give up your power and your rights to the nearest tin pot dictator who surfaces. Ok... so now all the military is gone... and they can just roll right in and take over. How's that for a conspiracy theory. 333386, you're welcome to roll with that one. I know dreaming these things up and pulling them out of your derriére must be hard work... so there's a freebie you can run with. don't say I never gave you nuthin.  :D



No, the  common thread is that these people are all followers of the cult of death known as Islam. 

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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2009, 05:04:33 AM »
Ralphs take...not saying I completely agree until the facts come out..I think he's just a raghead pussy myself.

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting "Allahu Akbar!" committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting.

This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period.

When the terrorist posts anti-American hate-speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as "Palestinian" in a Muslim spouse-matching program, and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit — well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist."

But the president won’t. Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there’s no such thing as "Islamist terrorism" in ObamaWorld.

And the Army won’t. Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America-haters is safer than calling terrorism "terrorism."

And the media won’t. Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops — despite their crocodile tears.

Maj. Nadal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood. The resulting massacre was the first tragedy. The second was that he wasn’t killed on the spot.

Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane. There’ll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn’t dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.

Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately. And he’ll have the last laugh.

But Hasan isn’t the sole guilty party. The US Army’s unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it’s appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Ft. Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone with the simoon. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There’s another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who’ve been assigned to his care? And he’s not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I’m ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.

Get ready for the apologias. We’ve already heard from the terrorist’s family that "he’s a good American." In their world, maybe he is.

But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?

A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she’s becoming too Westernized.

Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we’re assured that "Islam’s a religion of peace."

I guarantee you that the Obama administration’s non-response to the Ft. Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

Ralph Peters’ latest novel is "The War After Armageddon



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/fort_hood_xjP9yGrJN7gl7zdsJ31vnJ#ixzz0W6ow8dPk


we know we know...it was obamas fault ::)

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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2009, 05:07:18 AM »
Its not Obama's fault, its the Army's fault for not kicking this guy out earlier.  . 

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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2009, 06:17:00 AM »
Its not Obama's fault, its the Army's fault for not kicking this guy out earlier.  . 

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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2009, 01:48:10 PM »
I couldn't agree with that more. Those who lack empathy to the suffering of others and who express a particular delight for the pain and suffering of others are ticking time bombs waiting to explode. And then there are those who are selective about their empathy... saving it all for one demographic and unleashing putrid hatred for another.









on 2nd thought, ...that was directed toward American women. I'm Canadian so... never mind.  :)



I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS  >:(

The guy who killed Tiller sought him out, stalked him as he was going out his day to day life.

Any evangelical I off, is gonna be one who trys imposing themself on me. There's a big difference.

It's like someone on here once said "I'll shoot the fvckers if I have to."


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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2009, 01:52:49 PM »
For all you braindead, pie in the sky, everyone is morally equivalent liberal douchebags, read the following article.

The common denomenator is that the guy was Muslim and the liberal PC politicians that helped set this country's policies act as ENABLERS for radical islamists to inflitrate and infect all areas of civilized society in this country.


Refuses to see extremists
By PAUL SPERRY


Why did the US military ignore the clear warning signs that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspected Ft. Hood shooter, had embraced radical Islam -- and thus become a danger to all around him?

It wasn't an oversight, it was policy -- one the Pentagon has been doubling down on ever since 9/11. This summer, Hasan was overheard cheering the shooting death of a Little Rock Army recruiter by a Muslim. His patients complained about him proselytizing about Islam. He gave his nationality as "Palestinian" even though he was born in America. He apparently blogged about the glory of suicide bombings.

His superiors put up blinders to all these red flags because Hasan -- who wore traditional Islamic robe and kufi and prayed five times a day -- practiced the "religion of peace." And they're not supposed to make a connection between that religion and terrorism, even as they prosecute a war on Islamic terrorism.
The Pentagon has made well-publicized moves to show the military does not equate Islam with terror, and is making efforts to accommodate more Muslims in the military, whose ranks now exceed 15,000. It recently dedicated a new Muslim prayer center at Quantico, commissioned the first Muslim chaplain at the Air Force Academy and inaugurated the first Muslim prayer room at West Point.

Good and decent Muslims certainly serve admirably. But how does the military know which Muslims will put allegiance to country ahead of allegiance to Allah as interpreted by radical Islam? A conflict obviously exists for soldiers like Hasan -- and for Sgt. Hasan Akbar, the Muslim convert who in 2003 fragged commanding officers at a military camp outside Iraq, killing two and wounding 15 others. Akbar said at the time he did it out of loyalty to the ummah, the international community of Muslims. "You guys are coming into our countries," he said, "and you're going to rape our women and kill our children."
Within months of Akbar's traitorous 2003 attacks, the Defense Intelligence Agency issued an internal report warning that Muslim soldiers pose a possible security threat -- which the Pentagon by and large ignored.

Then, in 2005, after the FBI broke up a Muslim spy ring at Gitmo that involved Muslim military personnel, the Pentagon's counterspying unit, the Counterintelligence Field Activity, warned brass that Islamic legal doctrine was compromising devout Muslim soldiers' loyalty: "Recent examples of a Muslim FBI agent and other Muslim law-enforcement personnel declining to investigate their fellow Muslims, the flawed translation process in Guantanamo and the controversy surrounding an Army Muslim chaplain and his relationship with Muslim detainees in Guantanamo are very probably concrete expressions of conscientious decisions rooted in a clearly articulated religious and legal doctrine," the declassified briefing states.


But higher-ups ignored that report,too.
They also balked at a subsequent Defense Department Inspector General warning to the Pentagon to review the backgrounds of Muslim chaplains who'd been sponsored by a group founded by a Muslim activist convicted of terrorism. Asked to make sure those chaplains weren't radicalizing soldiers, a Pentagon spokeswoman responded blithely, "These are all good chaplains who have represented their faith well."
A couple of years ago, it became known that 10 of the 14 Muslim chaplains in the US military had trained at an Islamic school that the FBI raided after 9/11, a school still run by an unindicted terrorist co-conspirator.


Members of Congress led by Rep. Sue Myrick (R-NC) last year asked the Pentagon to use the FBI to screen groups that certify chaplains. The Pentagon replied it would be "legally problematic" to do so -- even though some of these chaplains have been radicalizing soldiers. As it stands now, the Pentagon won't remove or reject Muslim chaplains unless they've been charged or convicted of terrorism or if the religious organization endorsing them appears on the State Department's list of foreign terror organizations. The chaplain who set up the Quantico mosque graduated from the same FBI-raided radical school, now operating as Cordoba University.
Last year, Hassan Abujihaad, a Navy signalman, was convicted of tipping off al Qaeda about battle group movements in the Persian Gulf, including disclosing classified documents detailing the group's vulnerability to terror attack. "Father of Jihad," the name he chose when he converted to Islam, gave this traitor away -- yet the military was too drunk on political correctness to notice when it recruited him and put him on a destroyer.

Other terrorists are knocking on the recruiting-station door. One of the convicted Fort Dix terrorists said he wanted to join the Army so he could kill US soldiers from the "inside." Meanwhile, the Army secretary says he's trying to "understand the effects of stress" that could have led a soldier at the Army's largest post to mow down so many of his fellow soldiers. What stress could have caused him to calmly pass out Qurans to his neighbors’ just hours before the shooting, and then, as he opened fire, shout, "Allah hu Akbar"?

Earth to Pentagon: The Muslim shooter didn't snap. His terrorism was well-planned. He'd carefully prepared for a martyrdom operation.
If officials would take off the PC blinders, they'd see that. Until they do, more soldiers will be vulnerable to attack -- along with the rest of us.

Paul Sperry, a Hoover Institution media fellow, is co-author of the new book, "Muslim Mafia."





 

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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2009, 05:18:58 PM »

No, the  common thread is that these people are all followers of the cult of death known as Islam. 

Only because Timothy McVeigh was selectively excluded from the list, ...as was the UnaBomber.  ;)
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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2009, 05:20:08 PM »
Only because Timothy McVeigh was selectively excluded from the list, ...as was the UnaBomber.  ;)

One in a heap of millions. 

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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2009, 05:21:04 PM »


FAIL!!!

That doesn't even compare. I talk about self defense, ...and disgust for those who impose on me, not stalking.
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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2009, 05:28:06 PM »
FAIL!!!

That doesn't even compare. I talk about self defense, ...and disgust for those who impose on me, not stalking.

McVeigh was once incident while we have a daily example of muslim fanatics doing crazy shit every day whether it being killing their kids, blowing up markets, blowing up dogs and kids, beating their wives, etc. 

JAG - why are you so reflexive in defending the most barbaric beheavior?   

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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2009, 05:35:13 PM »
For all you braindead, pie in the sky, everyone is morally equivalent liberal douchebags, read the following article.

The common denomenator is that the guy was Muslim and the liberal PC politicians that helped set this country's policies act as ENABLERS for radical islamists to inflitrate and infect all areas of civilized society in this country.


Refuses to see extremists
By PAUL SPERRY


Good and decent Muslims certainly serve admirably. But how does the military know which Muslims will put allegiance to country ahead of allegiance to Allah as interpreted by radical Islam?

That part I definitely agree with, ...however, is it not the same conflict shared by Christian soldiers or Jewish ones?

And how does the military know which Christian will put allegiance to God as mandated by "Thou Shalt not Kill" ahead of country? At the same time, how does the military know which patriotic soldier will put allegiance to the constintution and their vow to protect it, ahead of orders issued by superiors? How does the military know which Jewish soldiers or CIA operatives will put allegiance to the USA over allegiance to Israel? You don't know. All you can do is watch, listen, learn, and take action when red flags appear. 
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Re: Fort Hood's 9/11
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2009, 05:41:28 PM »
McVeigh was once incident while we have a daily example of muslim fanatics doing crazy shit every day whether it being killing their kids, blowing up markets, blowing up dogs and kids, beating their wives, etc.  

JAG - why are you so reflexive in defending the most barbaric beheavior?    

I am NOT defending barbaric behaviour.
I'm pointing out a lack of intellectual vigour on your part, and in the arguments you and many put forth.

There's no question these ticking time bombs needs to be diffused, but in order to do that, you have to know exactly who they are, and a blanket sweep based on a stated religon isn't going to do it. I don't believe the common denominator is religion. It is about as pertinent a factor as is their sex. All the terrorists were also men as well. Are you going to start barring all men from serving in the military too? Sit back, take a deep breath and calm yourself for goodness sake and allow at least one brain cell to function.

And if you don't see daily examples of non-muslims doing crazy stuff like killing their wives, killing their kids, kidnapping and enslaving children, murder / suicides, blowing up office buildings etc., you're being selectively blind, or insensitive to the crimes of one demographic while becoming incensed over the crimes of another. you've lost perspective. Why don't you sit this one out?
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