No way to fire a pistol

[BB]

Offhand, it's because it's a comfortable stance for a non-pistol shooter, it's almost like the finishing position of a punch with a pistol in your hand. In fact, if you watch these gangsters shoot, it almost like they jab the air with the gun.

Shooting stances are a funny thing, if you look at it through the ages, we go from a sideways dueling stace early on. From the start of the 20th century till the fifties, most favored a low squat stance with a one-handed grip. The transition to a two handed grip was only for long distance shots or if one had time to set up a shot. There was also more of emphasis on point-shooting, where you think of the gun as an extension of your wrist and hand/index finger and point it where you want the shot to go.

It was'nt till the 60's when the emphesis was placed on the "Weaver Stance" style of shooting, as it is more accurate, controls muzzle flip, and is a solider platform for follow up shots.

[Nails]

They even did it on the simpsons, i think brothas think its part of their swagger

[240 is Back]

Spot on, BB.

gangster style, completely flat, is poor.
standard shooting, completely parallel to the ground, is useful at long distances where sighting is required.

For close (7 yards or less) combative shooting, however, shooting with a 45 degree angle, a half-cant, does compliment the natural angle of the arm.  Kinda the way you punch at an angle. You wouldn't punch with a sideways, nor a completely vertical punch.  You'd use that angled fist.  

Shooting quickly in combat in close range is similar to that.  You're actually going to hit more with a 1/2 gangster style stance.



Lax, when that dude grabbed your handful of cash as you walked out the bank, you would hav wanted to use that 45 degree, 1/2 gangster flick to put two in his midsection as he collided with you and you pulled him earthward.  Only one of you would be getting back up

[dr.chimps]

Lax, when that dude grabbed your handful of cash as you walked out the bank, you would hav wanted to use that 45 degree, 1/2 gangster flick to put two in his midsection as he collided with you and you pulled him earthward.  Only one of you would be getting back up

Ha! Moose's editor had resign over having published that story. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Gunslingers never duelled. That was a hollywood invention to memmick European duelling. Think about it, the Wild West had no code of conduct, and was the most lawless and violent time in American History ( funny hoe it was mostly white men doing on the killing, yet they are considered folk heroes, blacks today are demonized for being The Devil incarnate), do you really think that two gunslingers are gonna fairly have a gun duel in the streets?!

Spot on!  most with a ' reputation ' for gun fighting would avoid each other like the plague. most of the gun violence was fueled by the alcohol they consumed not this watered down nonsense they drink today ! but some historic gun fights were legit like the O.K corral and a few others but they were few and far in between

[dr.chimps]

Spot on!  most with a ' reputation ' for gun fighting would avoid each other like the plague. most of the gun violence was fueled by the alcohol they consumed not this watered down nonsense they drink today ! but some historic gun fights were legit like the O.K corral and a few others but they were few and far in between

And even that event wasn't out on the street. It was in kind of a side thingy. And using shotguns. Romanticism.

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[ManBearPig...]

Uh, no. It was proven to be a proven Hollywood invetion. Was on the history channel. Two outlaws who cared not about law and order and one who probably shot the sheriff and the other who probably shot sheriff are not going to stand in the
 middle of the street and face one another. Think about current shootouts, you are going try and shoot the person as quickly as possible.

Back then there was no code of duelling. And most cowboys were either Mexican or black, they were
farmhands. Not the Marlboro man stereotype.

And Manbearpig, the outlaws didn't care about Indians, they were outlaws. I forgot which city it was but it had the highest rate of murders than anywhere in the US, still. And the Undertakers in most WW towns had the best business, they would make a killing.  the Indians didn't want encroachment, and felt threatened.
 You do know that the US government broke every treaty they had with the Indians. And no not all Indian tribes were the good spirits, some lived off of raping and pilliaging, but you don't hear about them.

But let's not forget the fact that Pioneer America practically killed off the Buffalo population, the mountain population, the timber wolf pop, had exterminated the passager pigeon and the Carolina Parakeet. Among other things.

And let's not forget, that many of the WW outlaws teamed up with hostile Indians to do robberies,and killings.
 



Think about now and currentn

i was just being a racist, calm down.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Uh, no. It was proven to be a proven Hollywood invetion. Was on the history channel. Two outlaws who cared not about law and order and one who probably shot the sheriff and the other who probably shot sheriff are not going to stand in the
 middle of the street and face one another. Think about current shootouts, you are going try and shoot the person as quickly as possible.

Back then there was no code of duelling. And most cowboys were either Mexican or black, they were
farmhands. Not the Marlboro man stereotype.

And Manbearpig, the outlaws didn't care about Indians, they were outlaws. I forgot which city it was but it had the highest rate of murders than anywhere in the US, still. And the Undertakers in most WW towns had the best business, they would make a killing.  the Indians didn't want encroachment, and felt threatened.
 You do know that the US government broke every treaty they had with the Indians. And no not all Indian tribes were the good spirits, some lived off of raping and pilliaging, but you don't hear about them.

But let's not forget the fact that Pioneer America practically killed off the Buffalo population, the mountain population, the timber wolf pop, had exterminated the passager pigeon and the Carolina Parakeet. Among other things.

And let's not forget, that many of the WW outlaws teamed up with hostile Indians to do robberies,and killings.
 



Think about now and currentn

There actually was it's called the code duello and many gentlemen followed it well before the wild west in the United States ( although illegal and considered barbaric ) , see the Burr/Hamilton duel hahahahah secretary of the state and the vice-fucking president dueling at dawn imagine that shit in this day and age?

[PRIVATE RYAN]

Two reasons I can think of
why black people shoot like
that.

No need for accuracy in a drive-by.
Spray and pray.

Also, in order to fit the hand and
gun through the smallest possible
opening in the bullet proof window,
you have to hold it sideways.

[lax]

Spot on, BB.

gangster style, completely flat, is poor.
standard shooting, completely parallel to the ground, is useful at long distances where sighting is required.

For close (7 yards or less) combative shooting, however, shooting with a 45 degree angle, a half-cant, does compliment the natural angle of the arm.  Kinda the way you punch at an angle. You wouldn't punch with a sideways, nor a completely vertical punch.  You'd use that angled fist.  

Shooting quickly in combat in close range is similar to that.  You're actually going to hit more with a 1/2 gangster style stance.



Lax, when that dude grabbed your handful of cash as you walked out the bank, you would hav wanted to use that 45 degree, 1/2 gangster flick to put two in his midsection as he collided with you and you pulled him earthward.  Only one of you would be getting back up

240...before coming to this site...I was pretty much against guns. YOU and your posts about guns have changed my mind. Yes...I would have aerated him