Author Topic: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson (Read 91203 times)

Hulkster · « **Reply #350 on:** December 21, 2009, 05:01:57 PM »

my comparisons are not slanted at all.

they are as fair as possible, like this one. same shot, fair distance away, about as fair as you can get.

you just hate it because shawn blows dex off the stage and there is nothing you can do about it:

far superior back thanks to great detail, calves glutes and hams all far superior.

not even close.

yet you claim the comparisons are slanted just because your man loses miserably.

yeah, you make a lot of sense..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #351 on:** December 21, 2009, 05:04:10 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 21, 2009, 05:01:57 PM

my comparisons are not slanted at all.

they are as fair as possible, like this one. same shot, fair distance away, about as fair as you can get.

you just hate it because shawn blows dex off the stage and there is nothing you can do about it:

far superior back thanks to great detail, calves glutes and hams all far superior.

not even close.

yet you claim the comparisons are slanted just because your man loses miserably.

yeah, you make a lot of sense..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #352 on:** December 21, 2009, 05:05:06 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 21, 2009, 05:01:57 PM

my comparisons are not slanted at all.

they are as fair as possible

lmfao

enough said

regmac · « **Reply #353 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:51:38 PM »

This is just as debateable as "who's better Aikman or Marino".

disco_stu · « **Reply #354 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:22:46 PM »

Quote from: MORTALCOIL on December 21, 2009, 02:25:35 AM

Hulkster clearly knows as much about Bodybuilding as I do about hieroglyphics. Labrada in '89 and '90 had one of the best and most complete physiques ever combined with perfect presentation. Yes, he was small and lacked size considering what the standards already were. But Shawn was never that much better than him and never had such a balanced physique. He only had size over Labrada but still not enough size to win. Labrada came much closer to winning the 'O and with being arguably "small". Which means he had everything else right. Shawn was playing a big guys' game but was too far from them. And after seing all these pics, I'd have to agree that Dex at his best would probably have the edge on Ray.

Labrada is probably the most under rated BB ever- especially by those who never saw him in action.

Still, as good as Lee was, I personally would have Dex ahead of him also...in this order, Dex, Labrada, then Ray.

So for me this argument isnt about Ray being better than Dex, its about Putting Ray fan boys in their place- Ray was a 4th-5th placing BB. Simple as that.

Dex should be Mr.O again, and probablly one time prior to his actual win also. Labrada shouldve gotten 1 or 2 Mr.O's.

Isnt BB about the most pleasing physique?

not so eh?

And for "high lats". For me they arent an abberation like many others think- in many ways they are a spectacle of dramatic v taper. I see it as a strength on some physiques in fact. Dex is one of them. For calves, well Dex might not have them jutting out but they arent missing like Wolf's or Flex's were. They are more like Haney's used to be. There but not freaky.

Ray's legs and flat pecs and disappearing arms in the FDB ruin him for me. I dont rate him at all. Great in his most muscular and his read DB. Thats it.

Dex looks like a freak from many angles..the black and white pics posted in this thread are amazing. Post the same of Jay and people will complain about his massive waist because, well, it is massive.

post Labrada and you get perfect balance without the freak angle, but you get all bodyparts.

Labrada didnt win because of Haney. Ray didnt win because of Yates, Dex didnt win because of Cutler and Coleman...but then he did beat Cutler. And Cutler wasnt massively off that year, just a tad. Dex is what modern BB is about.

He doesnt use calf implants to compensate..thats why Flex W isnt mentioned at all. You should not win a big contest with implants..period.

I'm glad Nasser didnt win- hes everything about BB that people hate.

Hulkster · « **Reply #355 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:29:07 PM »

ND always whines like a little bitch after real life stage comparisons expose his heros as getting owned..

this thread is no different than the rest of them.

excellent comparisons of the same shots onstage always expose ND's hero's as second best to whomever he happens to be comparing them with in the particular thread.

in this case, shawn owns dex from head to toe:

Hulkster · « **Reply #356 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:34:25 PM »

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Ray's legs and flat pecs and disappearing arms in the FDB ruin him for me

I find it ironic that you are complaining about shawn's "flat chest" when it was significantly thicker than Dexter's ever was...

his quads were also signifcantly better than dexters who had very little quad sweep to speak of..

dex never had pecs this thick ever: or abs this good. or quads this good either.

but like I said earlier, people seem to be putting their heads in the sand about the comparisons.

perhaps it is because they hate shawn for his mouth and the things he has said/done in the past, I don't know..

Royal Lion · « **Reply #357 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:37:17 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 21, 2009, 07:29:07 PM

ND always whines like a little bitch after real life stage comparisons expose his heros as getting owned..

this thread is no different than the rest of them.

excellent comparisons of the same shots onstage always expose ND's hero's as second best to whomever he happens to be comparing them with in the particular thread.

in this case, shawn owns dex from head to toe:

Hulkster, we clearly see things differently...Dex wins this comparison IMO.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #358 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:48:06 PM »

I just don't see Ray having the size to beat Dexter.

England_1 · « **Reply #359 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:51:55 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on December 21, 2009, 07:48:06 PM

I just don't see Ray having the size to beat Dexter.

Damn, Ray never came close to that level of muscularity.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #360 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:56:24 PM »

Dexter owned the entire Mr. O lineup in the back relaxed last year.

regmac · « **Reply #361 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:08:39 PM »

Quote from: disco_stu on December 21, 2009, 07:22:46 PM

Labrada is probably the most under rated BB ever- especially by those who never saw him in action.

Still, as good as Lee was, I personally would have Dex ahead of him also...in this order, Dex, Labrada, then Ray.

So for me this argument isnt about Ray being better than Dex, its about Putting Ray fan boys in their place- Ray was a 4th-5th placing BB. Simple as that.

Dex should be Mr.O again, and probablly one time prior to his actual win also. Labrada shouldve gotten 1 or 2 Mr.O's.

Isnt BB about the most pleasing physique?

not so eh?

And for "high lats". For me they arent an abberation like many others think- in many ways they are a spectacle of dramatic v taper. I see it as a strength on some physiques in fact. Dex is one of them. For calves, well Dex might not have them jutting out but they arent missing like Wolf's or Flex's were. They are more like Haney's used to be. There but not freaky.

Ray's legs and flat pecs and disappearing arms in the FDB ruin him for me. I dont rate him at all. Great in his most muscular and his read DB. Thats it.

Dex looks like a freak from many angles..the black and white pics posted in this thread are amazing. Post the same of Jay and people will complain about his massive waist because, well, it is massive.

post Labrada and you get perfect balance without the freak angle, but you get all bodyparts.

Labrada didnt win because of Haney. Ray didnt win because of Yates, Dex didnt win because of Cutler and Coleman...but then he did beat Cutler. And Cutler wasnt massively off that year, just a tad. Dex is what modern BB is about.

He doesnt use calf implants to compensate..thats why Flex W isnt mentioned at all. You should not win a big contest with implants..period.

I'm glad Nasser didnt win- hes everything about BB that people hate.

UNDERRATED? FLEA puleeeez The only time I ever liked his physique was in 92...his mass with class year..other than thaat? Haney's record was NEVER in danger!!!!!

MCWAY · « **Reply #362 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:33:47 PM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on December 21, 2009, 02:35:17 PM

Sorry, but again, Dexter competed in an era that is far inferior in terms of worthy competitors, compared to that of Shawn's flock of competitors.

Shawn placed HIGH with a PRIME Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Dilett, Cormier, Nasser, Taylor, etc....

Shawn's overall physique is far better than Dexters.

I completely agree with Hulkster on this one. I don't want to debate it for 4 years like the Truce Thread and I don't feel it needs to be debated into the ground. If we're only looking at Dexter's Olympia win, of course we can say he was better, but if we at who he had to beat to achieve first place, the case is over. Everything else is just biases and anger and pettiness on the part of the old married couples on here.

Dexter Jackson faced many of the SAME competitors and beat them. As for your claim about "prime", again let remind you that Cormier, Levrone, and Wheeler were still winning shows and placing high in the 2000s (i.e. Levrone placing 2nd in 2000 and 2002).

And, as somebody accurately brought up, Ray could only be a MUCH SMALLER Lee Labrada ONCE. Yet, Ray's supposedly so much better than Jackson? I don't think so.

If that weren't bad enough. Dexter has more wins AT THE BIG SHOWS than Ray does (3 ASCs to Ray's lone win in 1991, and of course, there's that pesky Olympia win. Throw in the GNC and an IronMan win (along with a few others) and it's hardly a debate.

Hulkster · « **Reply #363 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:46:40 PM »

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Ray could only be a MUCH SMALLER Lee Labrada ONCE. Yet, Ray's supposedly so much better than Jackson? I don't think so.

yes, and the pics prove it quite well:

don't forget that labrada only beat shawn when shawn was off. when shawn was on, he shot past him easily.

dexter had a wider back and a bit more size, but thats his only edge. he loses in the quality department big time. and not just in the back double bi shot.

his superhigh lats and mishapen long torso would really hurt him against ray..

Hulkster · « **Reply #364 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:47:55 PM »

damn shawn is murdering dex..

regmac · « **Reply #365 on:** December 21, 2009, 09:05:06 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 21, 2009, 08:47:55 PM

damn shawn is murdering dex..

In that case Dorsett murdered Emmitt because he "ran better".

Royal Lion · « **Reply #366 on:** December 21, 2009, 09:35:59 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 21, 2009, 08:47:55 PM

damn shawn is murdering dex..

the prince · « **Reply #367 on:** December 21, 2009, 09:49:20 PM »

shawn beats Dex (he's more complete an doesn't have that huge stomach)

Danimal77 · « **Reply #368 on:** December 21, 2009, 10:43:55 PM »

Quote from: the prince on December 21, 2009, 09:49:20 PM

shawn beats Dex (he's more complete an doesn't have that huge stomach)

Good first post.

Parker · « **Reply #369 on:** December 22, 2009, 01:10:36 AM »

Dex, is what would happened had Shawn gone the Freak route, in a sense. Shawn, kept his weight down, but doesn't have that freakiness to him---more polished. In terms of freakiness, Dex wins hands down...in terms of who you want on the cover of a magazine or to represent what a bodybuilder looks like to the (ignorant) public, Shawn wins hands down.