Author Topic: Terrorist attack foiled on Detroit bound plane by man claiming ties to Al Quaeda  (Read 3582 times)

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So what's your solution? Ban anyone who checks any of those terrorist boxes from flying?

Personally, I think it's impossible to account for every potential terrorist.

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So what's your solution? Ban anyone who checks any of those terrorist boxes from flying?

Personally, I think it's impossible to account for every potential terrorist.

Than dont complain the next time we have a 911 again if we are unwilling to protect ourselves from these monsters who actively seek to exploit our weaknesses.

 

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His father warned the authorities.

He paid cash for a one way ticket.

He was on the list.

He was previously denied a US Visa

He was going to yemen with this imam or some crap.

Thats so far from what I can tell. 

heads should roll.

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Than dont complain the next time we have a 911 again if we are unwilling to protect ourselves from these monsters who actively seek to exploit our weaknesses.

 

Haha, don't try to paint me as the bad guy. I think we need better security measures at the airports and things like those full body x rays. I don't give a shit how invasive it is. There's no explanation for someone getting that shit on a plane when it's taped to their leg. I'll gladly walk through a full body x-ray if it ensures that I'm not going to get blown up 37,000 feet in the air.

I do, however, think it's impossible to account for all these people unless you're willing to ban every single person who pops up on that list from flying.

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About that homeland security report...

is it 14-year old asian girls, or 70 year old black men, who are on message boards talking abou how many guns they have, and about how civil war 2 is right around the corner?  (answer = zero - it is white men doing the talking about this stuff usually)


Just as STATISTICALLY you are going to catch more terrorists by searching middle eastern males entering planes, you are STATISTICALLY going to catch more domestic anti-govt terrorist types by profiling MEN.  Arab males, of course.  Yes, white men too.  

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I know this is Debka but there is some good info in here.

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The Rich Jihadi Proved Western Anti-Terror Measures Don't Work

DEBKAfile's Special Analysis

December 27, 2009


 
Airliner bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
The horrendous sight of another Western airline crashing over the US on Christmas Day 2009 was averted by a fluke and the resourcefulness of passengers and cabin crew - not by the anti-terror agencies' high-tech gadgets, vast budgets and airport security measures.

Six months ago, Umar Faroul Abdulmuttallab's father warned the US Embassy in Lagos of his 23-year old son's alarming extremist Muslim activities. Yet he was granted a US visa. On Dec. 25, he sailed through Schiphol international airport with 80 grams of PETN (pentaervthritol) high explosive and liquid detonators in his underpants after landing from Lagos and caught the Northwest Flight 253 from Amsterdam to Detroit.

If the British Richard Reid goes down in terror history as "the shoe bomber" who failed to crash a US airliner over LA in 2001, Abdulmuttallab may be remembered as the Rich Jihadi, the son of a wealthy Nigerian banker and ex-minister, the second millionaire-terrorist to follow in the footsteps of the first, Osama bin Laden.

Saturday, Dec. 26, the US government filed the following charge: “Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, a Nigerian national, boarded Northwest Flight 253 in Amsterdam, Netherlands on December 24, 2009 and had a device attached to his body. As the flight was approaching Detroit Metropolitan Airport, Abdulmutallab set off the device, which resulted in a fire and what appears to have been an explosion. Abdulmutallab was then subdued and restrained by the passengers and flight crew. The airplane landed shortly thereafter, and he was taken into custody by Customs and Border Patrol officers.

Terrified passengers told the FBI investigators that twenty minutes before landing, the suspect went to the bathroom. On returning to his seat, he complained of a stomach ache and covered himself with a blanket, from which pops, smoke and flames soon emerged. Jasper Schuringa, a Dutch passenger, tackled the suspect and helped the cabin crew put out the fire and restrain him. Abdulmuttallab himself, hospitalized with burns, is quoted as admitting to links with al Qaeda and claiming to have received the explosives in Yemen after a month's training.

This contradicts earlier US attempts to play down the incident by claiming he was a loner.

Indeed, al Qaeda's record since its first attempt to blow up New York's Twin Towers in 1993, is remarkably consistent; its planners have deviated very little from their methods of operation or their targets and remain fixated on their primary goal of smashing America as the Western world's superpower.

To this end, Al Qaeda has forged ahead steadfastly for 18 years undeterred by failures:

After the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, the fundamentalist terrorists took a break before striking Madrid trains in 2004, London transport in 2005, and trying to down a dozen transatlantic airliners with liquid explosives in 2006. This last plot copied the terrorist Ramzi Yusuf's failed bid in 1991 to hijack 12 airliners taking off for the US from Asian airports and crash them over American cities.

Just as stubbornly, Western counter-terror agencies, while armed with the most advanced especially developed technology for fighting terrorists and astronomical budgets, persist in playing down al Qaeda's potency and resolve and glossing over two essential facts:

1. The fundamentalist school of Islam, Sunni and Shiite, has declared a perpetual war on Western culture. It is not rooted in political or social differences, such as the gap between the have-not Muslim peoples and the affluent West, or even in various world disputes like the Israel-Palestinian conflict, which are often held up as symbols of injustice. These extremists simply loathe everything the West stands for: religious orientation, philosophy, way of thinking and mores, and are willing to lay down their lives to extinguish it.

2. Al Qaeda holds to the belief that devastating attacks on big US cities are the key to smashing America's wealth and strength as the leading Western superpower.

For its activists, the jihadists, civilian airline jets are the preferred weapons of mass destruction because of their vulnerability and because Western security is full of holes and easily misled by its own preconceptions.

Most of the Western media covering the failed attempt to blow up the Delta airline over Detroit mulled in wonder over the discovery that the bomber was no wild man from Tora Bora or Waziristan or poor boy from a wretched Baghdad, Cairo or Karachi slum, but the scion of a rich and privileged Nigerian family, who could afford to send him to the prestigious London College University to study engineering and allow him the freedom to choose what he wanted to do with his life.

Why he chose to martyr himself as a terrorist defied most Western pundits, showing that very little has been learned from the way al Qaeda evolved from 1987, when Osama bin Laden debuted in the Pakistani town of Peshawar as leader of an organization no one had ever heard of called al Qaeda, despite a background very much like that of the young Nigerian. He too belonged to one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia and opted for the life of an extremist terrorist.

Western agencies appear to find the real objectives and the roots and the motives governing the Islamist organization's choice of targets and weapons beyond their understanding, when in fact Al Qaeda's methods are brutally simple, even primitive.

The two elements working for them are good intelligence and patience.

Having achieved its first major objective, obliteration of the iconic New York Trade Center in 2001, al Qaeda's planners are working on their next goal, which has so far proved elusive: knocking the transatlantic air traffic connecting America to the world out of the skies.

DEBKAfile's counter-terror analysts are in no doubt that Osama bin Laden will not rest until he attains this goal, which means that the war on terror will not be resolved in the battlefields of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan or Palestine, but in the Pentagon, Washington and the authorities safeguarding international civilian air travel.

Al Qaeda is in no hurry. Seven years elapsed between the first attempt to destroy the Trade Center and the final calamity. Therefore, the jihadis will patiently repeat the young Nigerian's failed attempt until they succeed.

Taking this into account, US and British law enforcement authorities must now confront their own deficiencies and put them right without delay. But first they must answer some tough questions:

For instance, although he was placed on a US watch list, Umar Abdulmutallab never made it to the no-fly category.

And on top of America's abundant sophisticated gadgets, satellites, drones and electronics which failed to put its security agencies on guard for the threat to Northwest Flight 253, they had two known pieces of human intelligence to hand which they ignored:

The UK refused the young Nigerian an entry visa after he ended his engineering studies at the London College University in 2008 - which should have alerted the Americans, if they were informed; and his own father cautioned the US ambassador in Lagos about his son's extremist proclivities.

Finally, although the German BND intelligence service passed on its suspicions of a dynamic, youthful al Qaeda network evolving in Western Europe, Abdulmuttallab easily passed through two airports' screening arrangements carrying an explosive device, and boarded a transatlantic airliner with a valid US visa.

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About that homeland security report...

is it 14-year old asian girls, or 70 year old black men, who are on message boards talking abou how many guns they have, and about how civil war 2 is right around the corner?  (answer = zero - it is white men doing the talking about this stuff usually)


Just as STATISTICALLY you are going to catch more terrorists by searching middle eastern males entering planes, you are STATISTICALLY going to catch more domestic anti-govt terrorist types by profiling MEN.  Arab males, of course.  Yes, white men too.  

How many crimes to members of the VRWC commit each year in relation to others?  Its a phony bs scare tactic by the govt to divert attrention away from real threats. 

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i agree 100% that middle eastern males age 16 to 35 are the biggest threat.

What group do you think presents the SECOND largest threat, 33?  Is it young white males?

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i agree 100% that middle eastern males age 16 to 35 are the biggest threat.

What group do you think presents the SECOND largest threat, 33?  Is it young white males?

240 - who commits the most violent crime in this country?  Thats who. 

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I see.  You want to change the topic from Terrorism, over to domestic violent crimes.

Was the homeland warning referring to terrorism, or violent crimes?

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I see.  You want to change the topic from Terrorism, over to domestic violent crimes.

Was the homeland warning referring to terrorism, or violent crimes?

I really dont know 240 since it was more of a political document than anything else. 

It was not a serious work, but a complete sham to sell to a stupid public. 

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if the topic is domestic terrorism (and it is)

#1 group that commits the act is arabs
#2 group is white males.

I understand this.

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if the topic is domestic terrorism (and it is)

#1 group that commits the act is arabs
#2 group is white males.

I understand this.

Other than one incident in 1995, nearly 15 years ago, what acts of terrorism have white makles committed? 
i am trying to remember and cant.   

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More govt incompetence to the Nth Degree.

Thank god for the white guy, AAGGAAIINN, who saved the other passengers from certain death by taking this savage animal down. 

They should have opened the hatch and thrown him out the door. 


333 dontcha know white people aren't allowed to make statements like these...  ;D
carpe` vaginum!

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yea i guess the only mentioning allowed of white people is if a white beats up a minority, if a white does something good, he should be described as a healthy male,    more of the political correctness double standards

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yea i guess the only mentioning allowed of white people is if a white beats up a minority, if a white does something good, he should be described as a healthy male,    more of the political correctness double standards

Hey - to me, if its ok to sterotype white guys as RW crazies, potential domestic terrorists, fanatics, etc, the least we can do is point out when they save 287 people on a plane right? 

As far as this whole incident goes, its more PC suicide just like the left wing caravan freakshow wants. 

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exactly 333 if the left didnt do something good, which they havent, then heaven forbid give someone credit for actually doing something good that isnt a lefty communist, liberals dont like competition.

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exactly 333 if the left didnt do something good, which they havent, then heaven forbid give someone credit for actually doing something good that isnt a lefty communist, liberals dont like competition.

Bull Dyke Napolitano came out today and said "the system worked"? 

What was that - having a passenger take his life in his hands to make up for the incompetent govt not doing its job? 

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that sounds about right, the communists, trying to take credit and pat their bullshit system on the back even though it failed

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I think BF's pretty much dead-on.

We're never going to plug all the holes.  We can always push the government to do better (and should), but, in a free society, there's just too much inherent vulnerability built into the system.

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I think BF's pretty much dead-on.

We're never going to plug all the holes.  We can always push the government to do better (and should), but, in a free society, there's just too much inherent vulnerability built into the system.


As per this incident, I disagree Skip.  All of the billions and billions of dollars, patriot Act, etc were all geared exactly towards this type of person.

Sure we cant stop everybody, but if we cant stop something like this, than what is the fucking point of having DHS, Patriotic Act, TSA, etc when all evidence points to the fact that the average guy is probably more ffective than all of this shit? 

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good point 333  we spend all this money with these organizations but they wont act on shit when the guys own father lets officials know months in advance, and it came down to one passenger saving the flight ,  great point 333

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good point 333  we spend all this money with these organizations but they wont act on shit when the guys own father lets officials know months in advance, and it came down to one passenger saving the flight ,  great point 333

Of course we cant get everyone, I get that, but if we cant stop this but for the brave actions of some average person, than I see absolutely no purpose whatsoever for TSA, Patrioti Act, Etc.

I'm dead serious, this guy was the exact proto-type terrorist everything we did was geared to stop.  AND IT DID NOT WORK!   

Let me carry my firearm on board and I can probably save the govt billions and billions of dollars. 

Its not as if this guy shot up a school in a rural area or something. 

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As per this incident, I disagree Skip.  All of the billions and billions of dollars, patriot Act, etc were all geared exactly towards this type of person.

Sure we cant stop everybody, but if we cant stop something like this, than what is the fucking point of having DHS, Patriotic Act, TSA, etc when all evidence points to the fact that the average guy is probably more ffective than all of this shit?  



Yeah, I follow you.  It's just that you're dealing with huge bureaucracies like the TSA and shit just gets lost, mishandled, not passed to the correct people, etc.  These are errors inherent in all governments.

There's no doubt they should have caught this guy and some heads should probably roll.  But, I don't forsee us every being mistake free.  Thankfully, there are still heroes helping out.

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good point 333  we spend all this money with these organizations but they wont act on shit when the guys own father lets officials know months in advance, and it came down to one passenger saving the flight ,  great point 333


You still want to send him to Nigeria for punishment?