PT business advice #1

[Coach is Back!]

Get a real job.  PT ranks right up there with Chiropractic... All bullshit hand holding and listening to fat housewives vent their problems.

Actually, we usually tell the Chiros what might need to be done. We have one on staff. BTW, How much did you make last year? What is a "real job" to you?

[Coach is Back!]

For what it's worth coach, I'm interested in your PT advices.  I have thought about trying it someday for extra money.  Also what city do you live in?  Maybe if I am ever in the area I can stop by to train. 

Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa, LA

[gordiano]

JME,

this is a serious question btw

is "Trophy trainer" a legit niche'?

as in the good looking trainer that is only hired by rich women/men solely cuz they are a status symbol

JNN, you should market yourself as a Certified Twinkus Maximus.

[calfzilla]

Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa, LA

Do you have a website where I can research your PT programs? 

[Tapeworm]

Simple, I want to train people who have significant goals. Unless the person has health problems (general fitness clients) they tend to slack, make excuses to not train hard or just anything to NOT train, since I just don"t want to take their money for nothing, I cut them from my program. Athletes have a goal, to get stronger, faster and bigger....in that order. I have kids that have got full rides to harvard, Duke UCLA, LMU and Cal. THOSE are kids that had goals and achieved them. Part of our program includes a report card check each semester, if they don't have at least a 3.0 GPA they are out of our program until they earn it back.

That sounds like a strong sales point.  Do you advertise this or push it when parents consult you about their kid joining, or is it the kind of situation where a kid's either got it or he doesn't and you level with the parents?

Has booting out slackers brought in more money long term because it helps your 'average' and gives you a strong rep?

[johnnynoname]

lol @ coach avoiding my question because he hates the fact that "trophy trainers" DO EXIST and they DO MAKE ALOT OF MONEY

admit it Coach- being a successful trainer isn't always about knowing the difference between planterflexion and dorsiflexion (I probably spelled both of those wrong)

we ARE status symbols as well cuz for every legitmate athlete who wants to be faster or jump higher there are two bored housewives/cougars who want to be escorted around by some young stud and be told what to do (ie be submissive to a younger man without the stigma that S & M carries)


and you know i'm right JME

[Coach is Back!]

JNN, I guess that's the difference between a gimmick and a nitch. We are results driven not money driven. We expect our clients to work hard and try. We don't want people just for the money so they can say they have "personal trainer" just for status reasons, those are the ones that will give the least amount of effort and make you look bad. I don't care what kind of shape the client is in as long as he/she puts out the effort and makes progress, they're walking advertisements for you and if they look the same 3 months from when they started its either the training methods are not working or they aren't putting out the effort. If its they are not not putting out the effort, then why have them around?

[MAXX]

So what made you choose your particular niche, Coach?

he didn't want to train fat boring soccer moms?

[ManBearPig...]

A short mexican drywaller such as Teh Coach has a made a name for himself in a state where every 3rd resident is a PT or a fitness expert of some kind, at least in their own head.

But he must admit too that nothing comes overnight.  He didn't have D1 afletes come to him out of the blue.  It took decades of shit grinding work to get there.

Either way, in heavily diluted industry, he's come out as one of the dudes on top.  Ha ha, he makes more in a day than Romano makes in a month probably, and he doesn't even have to blow guys to do it.

[Tapeworm]

he didn't want to train fat boring soccer moms?

Clearly, but is it because too many el cheapo PTs have saturated the fat soccer mom field and driven down prices?  Or did he see a better financial future with a non-revolving clientele?  Or less stress, time, and money spent advertising for new soccer moms to replace the washouts?  Or was it nothing to do with money and just a preference to spend his time with more dedicated trainees?  It was the reasons behind the decision (that he gave) that I was after.

[johnnynoname]

JNN, I guess that's the difference between a gimmick and a nitch. We are results driven not money driven. We expect our clients to work hard and try. We don't want people just for the money so they can say they have "personal trainer" just for status reasons, those are the ones that will give the least amount of effort and make you look bad. I don't care what kind of shape the client is in as long as he/she puts out the effort and makes progress, they're walking advertisements for you and if they look the same 3 months from when they started its either the training methods are not working or they aren't putting out the effort. If its they are not not putting out the effort, then why have them around?

btw do not take my posts as being antagonistic

i just wanted to make the point (whether we are a gimmick or a niche) that trophy trainers DO EXIST, we make money, and despite the results our clients, they still re-up when their packages are up (which is what ultimately matters in the PT BUSINESS)

[Coach is Back!]

I agree with that. BTW, we did away with selling packages. But that's for another time

[Devon97]

Coach,

Before I started my online biz last year I did the sports performance training/ general public training thing. ( Sent you my newsletter 2 years ago if you may remember and you liked it)
Any way the top 4 biggest obsticals I faces when trying to get student athletes to sign up were the following:

 1) We can't afford it!
 2) John just doesn't have time between basketball practice and winter baseball!
3) Jimmy already lifts weights at school!
4)Suzie is injured and can't workout ( Dr.'s orders!

[noworries]

I find it funny that Goodrum hasn't posterd in this thread to tell everyone how to run a PT business.  Most of the time he does.  But I have a feeling he knows he will be attacked and discredited in this thread if he does.  But, now that I have posted this I am sure he will post something about me but still stay away from any PT related posts since he knows he does not qualify as one.  Going around saying you are one is far from actually being one. 

[wavelength]

Good idea, this thread.
And good advise in the first post, holds true for just about any business.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I find it funny that Goodrum hasn't posterd in this thread to tell everyone how to run a PT business.  Most of the time he does.  But I have a feeling he knows he will be attacked and discredited in this thread if he does.  But, now that I have posted this I am sure he will post something about me but still stay away from any PT related posts since he knows he does not qualify as one.  Going around saying you are one is far from actually being one. 

I have other things to do you know.  I don't spend my life on Getbig


On a side note, your 500+ pound ass has no business even speaking about personal trainers or fitness.  You are a complete disgrace to yourself, your family, and your friends for completely letting yourself go and endangering your health for a jelly doughnut.  

Your lack of willpower is disgusting...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

As far as advice, I have only one word....Craigslist

[noworries]

I have other things to do you know.  I don't spend my life on Getbig


On a side note, your 500+ pound ass has no business even speaking about personal trainers or fitness.  You are a complete disgrace to yourself, your family, and your friends for completely letting yourself go and endangering your health for a jelly doughnut.  

Your lack of willpower is disgusting...

On cue, good job boy.  Anyway, pretending to be something you are not does not qualify as "other things to do".  And I just so happen to love jelly donuts, thanks for reminding me.  And my athletic background and achievements, and actual time in the gym and lifting with people who really do know something about working out qualifies me more than you.  Even at my size I bet I get more people asking me about lifting than you do.  For some reason having some muscle, being able to lift alot of weight, and having a "world" title means alot more to people than just putting up useless letters behind my name.  You really need to know your place Goodrum.  In the real world and to real people you are nothing but a blowhard (no pun intended) and someone who is so delusional that they are harmful to others.  You have no business telling anyone how to train, diet, pose, compete, do business opr generally anything.  Stick to what Vissy claims you are great at.  Taking it in the ass and cleaning his chin

[no one]

Come on now , let him have his say.
He is sharing what works for him , it may not work for you or the next guy but he has found a recipe that works for him and is good enough to share it.
I give Joe a wind up also but am interested in reading what he has to say on this topic.

totally. i bust this balls as much as the next guy but your spot on in this post.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

On cue, good job boy.  Anyway, pretending to be something you are not does not qualify as "other things to do".  And I just so happen to love jelly donuts, thanks for reminding me.  And my athletic background and achievements, and actual time in the gym and lifting with people who really do know something about working out qualifies me more than you.  Even at my size I bet I get more people asking me about lifting than you do.  For some reason having some muscle, being able to lift alot of weight, and having a "world" title means alot more to people than just putting up useless letters behind my name.  You really need to know your place Goodrum.  In the real world and to real people you are nothing but a blowhard (no pun intended) and someone who is so delusional that they are harmful to others.  You have no business telling anyone how to train, diet, pose, compete, do business opr generally anything.  Stick to what Vissy claims you are great at.  Taking it in the ass and cleaning his chin

You're only kidding yourself.  No-one cares anymore about your bit parts in movies, Gillette or etc.  If all you can do is relive decades old memories rather than actually getting off your ass and getting back in shape then you are truly hopeless.


How many pounds have you lost Keith...seriously..  I bet anything that you are as rolly polly as you were at the 2007 Olympia.  

[no one]

I find it funny that Goodrum hasn't posterd in this thread to tell everyone how to run a PT business.   

I have other things to do you know.  I don't spend my life on Getbig

time between posts: 9 minutes.

good job, melvin.

[stormshadow]

Actually, we usually tell the Chiros what might need to be done. We have one on staff. BTW, How much did you make last year? What is a "real job" to you?

I'm a product design engineer.  I actually design and produce something in this economy.  You just separate idiots from their money.  PT's produce nothing of value.. Bottom feeders, no different than a used car salesman.

Hilarious that you work with chiropractors - like I said, nothing but snake oil.

I respect a janitor more than some jackass with a clipboard counting reps for a 200 lb housewife.  At least they are doing honest work and not charging 50 dollars an hour to babysit.

[stormshadow]

On cue, good job boy.  Anyway, pretending to be something you are not does not qualify as "other things to do".  And I just so happen to love jelly donuts, thanks for reminding me.  And my athletic background and achievements, and actual time in the gym and lifting with people who really do know something about working out qualifies me more than you.  Even at my size I bet I get more people asking me about lifting than you do.  For some reason having some muscle, being able to lift alot of weight, and having a "world" title means alot more to people than just putting up useless letters behind my name.  You really need to know your place Goodrum.  In the real world and to real people you are nothing but a blowhard (no pun intended) and someone who is so delusional that they are harmful to others.  You have no business telling anyone how to train, diet, pose, compete, do business opr generally anything.  Stick to what Vissy claims you are great at.  Taking it in the ass and cleaning his chin

No you don't.

For the record, Vince G is a jackass, but you embarrass yourself trying to battle with him online because he owns you.  Stop being a pathetic fat mess of a human being and maybe you can come back and try to dish out an owning.

[Coach is Back!]

Yoi still haven't defined what a real job was?

[stormshadow]

Yoi still haven't defined what a real job was?

A real job is one that produces value without the need to hard sell your services on someone like they do at a used car lot.

A hair stylist is a real job, waitress, cook, engineer, doctor.... Those are real jobs.

Door to door salesman, infomercial salesman, Personal Trainer - those are not real jobs, they are based on boiler room tactics to make the "sale" and keep people coming back - just like what chiropractors do.  Make sure to schedule your next visit before you leave...