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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #125 on: December 31, 2009, 07:41:03 PM »
Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever.
BTW Nice gym...def has the feeling of a mans gym and I've been in many gym all around the world.
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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #126 on: December 31, 2009, 07:43:16 PM »
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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #127 on: December 31, 2009, 07:48:45 PM »
overload is the key to growth it doesn't matter if you use machines or free weights...

one example is dorian's calf training... he used standing and seated calf machines and nothing else his entire career.

the key is to find the exercises (machine or free weight) that suit you and that you can feel strongly in the area you are trying to target... and this is different for every single person.


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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #128 on: December 31, 2009, 07:48:52 PM »
Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever.


Because it doesn't give you a pump or what?

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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #129 on: December 31, 2009, 07:50:23 PM »
Because it doesn't give you a pump or what?

I don't think it's ever done anything for me....EVER I haven't did it in at least 6-7 years....Bench and incline work fine.
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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #130 on: December 31, 2009, 07:55:20 PM »
I don't think it's ever done anything for me....EVER I haven't did it in at least 6-7 years....Bench and incline work fine.

But why make a blanket statement like that my wigger?

Decline blows my chest up like a balloon.


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« Reply #131 on: December 31, 2009, 07:56:17 PM »
every exercise can be productive. the deciding factor is intensity.

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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #132 on: December 31, 2009, 07:59:17 PM »
Decline blows my chest up like a balloon.

X2 (the dumbbell version)

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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #133 on: December 31, 2009, 08:01:26 PM »
But why make a blanket statement like that my wigger?

Decline blows my chest up like a balloon.




Can some please show me results of what decline can do...

I am willing to put money that you can build great chest never touching a decline machine...

Please tell me the benefits I get that I don't get on the flat and incline...

You don't need it to buld a superior chest thus it is useless for chest...Obviously there is some benefit because it is a pressing movement involving your chest but useless compared to flat and incline...
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« Reply #134 on: December 31, 2009, 08:05:57 PM »
I feel decline in my whole chest, unlike with any other press

plus I'm stronger on them

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« Reply #135 on: December 31, 2009, 08:07:13 PM »
I feel decline in my whole chest, unlike with any other press

plus I'm stronger on them

You're stronger because the position of the bench...

No one built a huge chest of off just declines...it was cause of bench and incline.

Hell watch any bodybuilding workout video and you can count on one hand how many do declines.  I actually can't think of any I'm sure there are some...ask around though...you'll see I'm correct.
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« Reply #136 on: December 31, 2009, 08:11:24 PM »
You're stronger because the position of the bench...

No one built a huge chest of off just declines...it was cause of bench and incline.

Hell watch any bodybuilding workout video and you can count on one hand how many do declines.  I actually can't think of any I'm sure there are some...ask around though...you'll see I'm correct.

hold the phone, Wiggs - I'm not calling you a liar

I usually do some combination of inclines, declines and dips (occasionally supersetted with cable crossovers or pec dec, depending on how busy the gym is)

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« Reply #137 on: December 31, 2009, 08:19:23 PM »
Here's a complete list from several EMG measurements (for whats worth it). Those declines give me a much better stretch & contraction compared to flat bench movements.



IEMG max motor-unit activation

Exercise
%IEMG max

Pectoralis major


Decline dumbbell bench press
93

Decline bench press (Olympic bar)
89

Push-ups between benches
88

Flat dumbbell bench press
87

Flat bench press (Olympic bar)
85

Flat dumbbell flys
84

Pectoralis minor


Incline dumbbell bench press
91

Incline bench press (Olympic bar)
85

Incline dumbbell flys
83

Incline bench press (Smith machine)
81

Medial deltoids


Incline dumbbell side laterals
66

Standing dumbbell side laterals
63

Seated dumbbell side laterals
62

Cable side laterals
47

Posterior deltoids

Standing dumbbell bent laterals
85

Seated dumbbell bent laterals
83

Standing cable bent laterals
77

Anterior deltoids


Seated front dumbbell press
79

Standing front dumbbell raises
73

Seated front barbell press
61

Biceps brachii (long head)


Biceps preacher curls (Olympic bar)
90

Incline seated dumbbell curls (alternate)
88

Standing biceps curls (Olympic bar/narrow grip)
86

Standing dumbbell curls (alternate)
84

Concentration dumbbell curls
80

Standing biceps curls (Olympic bar/wide grip)
63

Standing E-Z biceps curls (wide grip)
61

Triceps brachii (outer head)


Decline triceps extensions (Olympic bar)
92

Triceps pressdowns (angled bar)
90

Triceps dip between benches
87

One-arm cable triceps extensions (reverse grip)
85

Overhead rope triceps extensions
84

Seated one-arm dumbbell triceps extensions (neutral grip)
82

Close-grip bench press (Olympic bar)
72

Latissimus dorsi


Bent-over barbell rows
93

One-arm dumbbell rows (alternate)
91

T-bar rows
89

Lat pulldowns to the front
86

Seated pulley rows
83

Rectus femoris (quadriceps)


Safety squats (90 degree angle, shoulder-width stance)
88

Seated leg extensions (toes straight)
86

Hack Squats (90 degree angle, shoulder-width stance)
78

Leg press (110 degree angle)
76

Smith machine squats (90 degree angle, shoulder-width stance)
60

Biceps femoris (hamstring)


Standing leg curls
82

Lying leg curls
71

Seated leg curls
58

Modified hamstring deadlifts
56

Semitendinosus (hamstring)


Seated leg curls
88

Standing leg curls
79

Lying leg curls
70

Modified hamstring deadlifts
63

Gastrocnemius (calf muscle)


Donkey calf raises
80

Standing one-leg calf raises
79

Standing two-leg calf raises
68

Seated calf raises
61

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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #138 on: December 31, 2009, 08:31:15 PM »


I've been there. It's in a barn basically, in the middle of nowhere near Columbus. Powerlifters heaven

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« Reply #139 on: December 31, 2009, 09:22:12 PM »
That's perfect. We're opening in a warehouse, non-discreet non-commercial.

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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #140 on: January 01, 2010, 01:18:49 AM »
overload is the key to growth it doesn't matter if you use machines or free weights...

one example is dorian's calf training... he used standing and seated calf machines and nothing else his entire career.

the key is to find the exercises (machine or free weight) that suit you and that you can feel strongly in the area you are trying to target... and this is different for every single person.



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Re: THIS..is a gym!
« Reply #141 on: January 01, 2010, 01:28:04 AM »

Can some please show me results of what decline can do...

I am willing to put money that you can build great chest never touching a decline machine...

Please tell me the benefits I get that I don't get on the flat and incline...

You don't need it to buld a superior chest thus it is useless for chest...Obviously there is some benefit because it is a pressing movement involving your chest but useless compared to flat and incline...

Wiggs, try doing sort of a most muscular in 3 different positions: one where your upper arms are on the side of your body and then you bring them toward your center line still with your arms sliding across your body trying to touch to your elbow together and so that forearms cross together (your arms are bent). Kind of like a most muscular except you're squeezing your pecs. Now bring your upper arms up to shoulder level and do the same thing. Bringing your elbows together toward the center line and squeezing your pecs. Now the third position where you try to bring your upper arms towards your nose.

Which position give you the most intense pec contraction?

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« Reply #142 on: January 01, 2010, 05:10:12 AM »
Sorry Basil, machines suck!

That's funny considering elitefts sells tons of machines. Funny considering Tate's mentor, Louie Simmons, invented a few machines that have been promoted like hell by Tate and Simmons.  ???


Free weight training at the Elitefts compound:




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« Reply #143 on: January 01, 2010, 05:18:58 AM »
More hardcore free weight training at Elite





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« Reply #144 on: January 01, 2010, 05:57:37 AM »
Roughly how much did it cost to out fit the gym?

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« Reply #145 on: January 01, 2010, 06:27:21 AM »
nice gym. for the serious lifter/athlete.

definately not a gym for the general public though. won't get alot of members because of that i think.
My thoughts exactly. You will get your hardcore group of folks, which makes for a small percentage of most gyms clientel. I could see it surviving from personal training especially traning for specified sports, but only in a large city or metro area. But personally, that's a bad ass gym. Kinda has the Metro-Flex Gym persona with a whole lot more money put into the equipment.
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« Reply #146 on: January 01, 2010, 06:45:57 AM »
More hardcore free weight training at Elite


I admit it, those vids make me a jealous bitch  >:(

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« Reply #147 on: January 01, 2010, 08:09:52 AM »
That's funny considering elitefts sells tons of machines. Funny considering Tate's mentor, Louie Simmons, invented a few machines that have been promoted like hell by Tate and Simmons.  ???


Free weight training at the Elitefts compound:





Doesn't mean I like machines. Like I said, there are a few I like, reverse hyper being the main one. If Tate and Louie Simmons like the machines then more power to them.

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« Reply #148 on: January 01, 2010, 08:12:17 AM »
STFU... ::)

What's the big deal - you've suddenly after 30+ years in gym training all of a sudden discovered that some people train to lift heavy.


Give it another 12 months and you will be posting a video of a Weightlifting gym like that is something novel.


But hey - I'm happy for yeh!



I bet you wear House of pain tee's and beanies and shit too, being 100% HARDCOOOOOOOOOOORE? ;D

We went through this a while ago. I'm not going to go over it again.

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« Reply #149 on: January 01, 2010, 08:16:21 AM »
We went through this a while ago. I'm not going to go over it again.
I thought you were at the roses parade.