THIS..is a gym!

[Mr Nobody]

Does Bob Hoffman own this facility? Looks like a Bob Hoffman gym

[Montague]

It's not my facility, it's the one I've been at for the last 7 years. Mine opens this summer.

Nice.
Good luck!

[pellius]

Sorry Basil, machines suck!

Why, as a professional trainer, do you feel that machines suck?

[hazbin]

Why, as a professional trainer, do you feel that machines suck?

i have thought that pt's stay away from using machines with clients because once they are shown how to use them they don't need the trainer anymore. with the 'core stabilty' style training most use they remain necessary to assist the client. kinda like a make-work  or job retention idea.  very smart

[dr.chimps]

Was wondering about that too.  Thanks for the explanations & vids guys.

Hmm. I think belt squat is just that: You wear a belt with the weights hanging between your legs and when you squat, the weights fall into a hole over which you're astride. Sounds weird. Tried it once. Not bad.

Monolifts are those racks that powerlifters use to hold their squat bar, which then swings out of the way to let them get their one rep. 

[johnnynoname]

Why, as a professional trainer, do you feel that machines suck?

trainers are a egotistical lot and we like to show off our unique exercises to other trainers when they are working with there clients at the same time

how can you show off your fancy new one handed barbell snatch into a turkish get up when you are making your client use the pec dec instead ?

[BB]

.

http://www.sportivnypress.com/documents/SUB_73.html .

Technical article on Hip belt squats. You can use a dip belt or a specialty belt from Ironmind, Spud, PDA, etc..... It's a bit different than the machine, and a bitch to set up(helps to have a loading pin), but still a neat movement.

[Meso_z]

Just a good gym for powerlifters to train their fat ass.

[Coach is Back!]

Why, as a professional trainer, do you feel that machines suck?

On a functional scale 1-10, 98% of machines are about 2. It doesn't make much sense to train on just a sagittal plain since the body moves in multiple directions. Make sense?

[Coach is Back!]

trainers are a egotistical lot and we like to show off our unique exercises to other trainers when they are working with there clients at the same time

how can you show off your fancy new one handed barbell snatch into a turkish get up when you are making your client use the pec dec instead ?

You f**king can't be serious?

[johnnynoname]

You f**king can't be serious?

lol, you haven't been to our gym

[che]

On a functional scale 1-10, 98% of machines are about 2. It doesn't make much sense to train on just a sagittal plain since the body moves in multiple directions. Make sense?

It doesn't make sense ,when I train with  free weight I don't move in multiple direction either .

[Mr Nobody]

On a functional scale 1-10, 98% of machines are about 2. It doesn't make much sense to train on just a sagittal plain since the body moves in multiple directions. Make sense?

Nice point

[Coach is Back!]

It doesn't make sense ,when I train with  free weight I don't move in multiple direction either .

Training with free weights allows you to recruit more motor units in to the movement, unless you're bodybuilding, the less isolation the better in most cases.

[haider]

Training with free weights allows you to recruit more motor units in to the movement, unless you're bodybuilding, the less isolation the better in most cases.

what machines DO you like / not mind ?

[che]

Training with free weights allows you to recruit more motor units in to the movement,

I agree .

[BB]

It doesn't make sense ,when I train with  free weight I don't move in multiple direction either .

Ah, but when you train with a free-weight movement you are following your body's natural plane of movement. On a machine you are forced into what ever plane of motion/fixed pattern of movement the machines's maker thought was a good idea. Never a good idea.

[nolotil]

On a functional scale 1-10, 98% of machines are about 2. It doesn't make much sense to train on just a sagittal plain since the body moves in multiple directions. Make sense?

functional in bodybuilding = build muscle . and anything that you can use to put tensjion on your muscles will grow you.

some machines are good some machines are bad, some machines are bad for person X some machines are good for person Y

free weighjt, machines..use whatever you want. that being said iwould recommend  combination of both as you dont have to limit yourself unless you workout in very poorly equipped gym.

[nolotil]

Ah, but when you train with a free-weight movement you are following your body's natural plane of movement. On a machine you are forced into what ever plane of motion/fixed pattern of movement the machines's maker thought was a good idea. Never a good idea.

why not? it depend on the machine...and in many cases the free weight exericse isnt done with good form ´..so natural vs unatural is too simplistic expression

if you like bench press and it feels good, do it. if you like chest press machine and it feels good and yuo like it do it,. both can and will grow you

[che]

Ah, but when you train with a free-weight movement you are following your body's natural plane of movement. On a machine you are forced into what ever plane of motion/fixed pattern of movement the machines's maker thought was a good idea. Never a good idea.

 I get the same pump with machines or free weights.

[Coach is Back!]

what machines DO you like / not mind ?

 reverse hyper, tred sleds, belt squats are excellent, pull down, seated row a few more I can't think of at the moment.

[haider]

Ah, but when you train with a free-weight movement you are following your body's natural plane of movement. On a machine you are forced into what ever plane of motion/fixed pattern of movement the machines's maker thought was a good idea. Never a good idea.

Yeah I wonder how that affects the functioning of the muscle, if at all.

On the other hand some might argue that machines could perhaps supplment your training by emphasising parts of the muscle in ways that you cant with free weights. That would seem like a good argument, if true, and also if it's not overused.

[che]

functional in bodybuilding = build muscle . and anything that you can use to put tensjion on your muscles will grow you.

some machines are good some machines are bad, some machines are bad for person X some machines are good for person Y

free weighjt, machines..use whatever you want. that being said iwould recommend  combination of both as you dont have to limit yourself unless you workout in very poorly equipped gym.

QFT

[haider]

reverse hyper, tred sleds, belt squats are excellent, pull down, seated row a few more I can't think of at the moment.

I see. All of the above allow free motion. They are only 'machines' in as much as not having direct contact with the weight.

[DroppingPlates]

i have thought that pt's stay away from using machines with clients because once they are shown how to use them they don't need the trainer anymore. with the 'core stabilty' style training most use they remain necessary to assist the client. kinda like a make-work  or job retention idea.  very smart

You're wrong. The reason I let beginning(!) clients train on a machine is more as a starting point, especially for multicompound movements like presses and rows. A lot of them aren't even capable to train correct on a machine (pushing/pulling too fast, no breath control, no full range of motion and so on..). Once they are capable to perform such exercises correctly it's time for more free weights exercises. Unfortunately a lot of clients don't have the motivation and/or motor skill to train with free weights.