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Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« on: January 02, 2010, 07:25:34 PM »
I have heard that the Vatican library holds 56 miles of books of which many of the mysteries of world's cultures, events, history is written. Why the HELL are they holding onto these books and keeping them away from researchers and even the public? Must be some serious TRUTHS being kept away from the masses


Vatican reveals Secret Archives

A 13th-century letter from Genghis Khan’s grandson demanding homage from the pope is among a collection of documents from the Vatican’s Secret Archives that has been published for the first time.
 

By Nick Squires in Rome
Published: 7:00AM GMT 01 Jan 2010
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In a letter dated 1246 from Grand Khan Guyuk, pictured, to Pope Innocent IV, Genghis Khan's grandson demands that the Pontiff travel to central Asia in person
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Although scholars have had access to the secret archives since 1881, they remain closed to the general public

The Holy See’s archives contain scrolls, parchments and leather-bound volumes with correspondence dating back more than 1,000 years.

High-quality reproductions of 105 documents, 19 of which have never been seen before in public, have now been published in a book. The Vatican Secret Archives features a papal letter to Hitler, an entreaty to Rome written on birch bark by a tribe of North American Indians, and a plea from Mary Queen of Scots.
 
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The book documents the Roman Catholic Church’s often hostile dealings with the world of science and the arts, including documents from the heresy trial against Galileo and correspondence exchanged with Erasmus, Voltaire and Mozart. It also reveals the Church’s relations with princes and potentates in countries far beyond its dominion.

In a letter dated 1246 from Grand Khan Guyuk to Pope Innocent IV, Genghis Khan’s grandson demands that the pontiff travel to central Asia in person – with all of his “kings” in tow – to “pay service and homage to us” as an act of “submission”, threatening that otherwise “you shall be our enemy”.

Another formal letter in the archive highlights the papacy’s political role. In 1863 Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederate States, wrote to Pope Pius IX claiming that the civil war raging across America was entirely due to “Northern aggression”.

“We desire no evil to our enemies, nor do we covet any of their possessions; but are only struggling to the end that they shall cease to devastate our land and inflict useless and cruel slaughter upon our people.”

Other letters in the archive are more personal. In a 1550 note, Michelangelo demands payment from the papacy which was three months late, and complains that a papal conclave had interrupted his work on the dome of St Peter’s Basilica.

A yellowed parchment covered in neat black script reveals details of the 14th century trials of the Knights Templar on suspicion of heresy, after which members of the warrior-monk order were pardoned by Pope Clement V.

Some of the documents are already well-known, including a parchment letter written by English peers to Pope Clement VII in 1530, calling for Henry VIII’s marriage to Catherine of Aragon to be annulled.

An entreaty written to Rome by another British monarch, but in very different circumstances, is also reproduced in exquisite detail. In 1586 Mary, Queen of Scots, wrote from Fotheringay in Northants to Pope Sixtus V, a few months before she was beheaded for plotting against her cousin, Queen Elizabeth I, pledging her eternal allegiance to Rome.

The document includes letters written to Hitler by Pope Pius XI in 1934 and one received by his controversial successor, Pius XII, from Japan’s Emperor Hirohito.

“An aura of mystery has always surrounded this important cultural institution of the Holy See due to the allusions to inaccessible secrets thanks to its very name, as well as to the publicity it has always enjoyed in literature and in the media,” Cardinal Raffaele Farina, a Vatican archivist, writes in the preface to the book, which was produced by a Belgian publisher, VdH Books.

One of the most unusual documents is a letter written on birch bark in 1887 by the Ojibwe Indians of Ontario, Canada, to Pope Leo XIII. The letter, written in May but datelined “where there is much grass, in the month of the flowers”, addresses the pontiff as “the Great Master of Prayer” and offers thanks to the Vatican for having sent a “custodian of prayer” (a bishop) to preach to them.

Although scholars have had access to the secret archives since 1881, they remain closed to the general public.
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2010, 07:43:13 PM »
Why the HELL are they holding onto these books and keeping them away from researchers and even the public? Must be some serious TRUTHS being kept away from the masses


And, according to your own article:

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Although scholars have had access to the secret archives since 1881, they remain closed to the general public


Am I missing something?

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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 07:45:58 PM »
Scholars are "in on it" too? 

I'm willing to bet the vatican reserves the right to chose who they allow to review there stuff and have in the past denied access. 

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2010, 08:03:37 PM »

And, according to your own article:


Am I missing something?

Yeah...Your brain Scarecrow...

The ACCESS is to a few so select it is not even funny. It is not like college professors can go in and access what they want and make copies or take the books out like a library. The books in the Vatican CAN NOT BE REMOVED, COPIED, OR THE INFORMATION IN IT EVEN WRITTEN DOWN. Anyone who MAY be allowed in are searched, screened, examined worst than you ever could be at any airport. You are walked in by guards who stand over you the whole time making sure you don't steal, write down or in any way keep records of whatever you see or read in whatever book(s) you are looking at. Criminal at best. These books were stolen and should be returned to the countries of origins and ANYONE wishing to view them should be able to either by direct handling or through some system where the books are scanned to make them available to everyone.
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2010, 08:06:11 PM »
no shit ::)

Wow, look at you. 

Do you feel your anger?  That's the dark side of the force......

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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 08:14:39 PM »
You're not going to derail this thread troll mod.

Derail?  You mean like your petty trollish attack to start it off?



I'll say it again:  GROW UP.

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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 08:23:01 PM »
Well according to the Vatican's own website, you can search their online catalog for books available in their library.  I just searched for Rome.

http://www.vaticanlibrary.va/home.php?pag=cataloghi_online

You can also search manuscripts.

Or, are you referring to their secret archives?  Are those the books that you have to know exactly what you're looking for?

Here's the link for their secret archives and what information they are sharing.

http://asv.vatican.va/en/stud/1_stud.htm

But, you can download an index for their secret collection here:

http://asv.vatican.va/en/fond/download.htm

I'm not familiar with their indexing so it doesn't mean much to me, but it's interesting to look at.

Or are you referring to them actually filling the requests and their not being forthright when doing so?

As a side note, their website is kind of interesting.  Being a non-believer I've never been on it before, but some of the old pics on there are pretty cool.

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2010, 08:27:18 PM »
I agree, the information belongs to everyone.  A great portion of it is stolen.  At a minimum, everything they own that didn't originated from them should be scanned for public consumption, freedom of religion and research for all.  I wouldn't call Skip a brain scarecrow tho :)


I agree, I don't see why they don't scan the books and put them out there for everyone.  Though it wouldn't surprise me that they find some books "threatening" to their beliefs and are fearful of dissemination.  I suppose there's no real legal recourse to force them...

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2010, 08:31:12 PM »
I agree, the information belongs to everyone.  A great portion of it is stolen.  At a minimum, everything they own that didn't originated from them should be scanned for public consumption, freedom of religion and research for all.  I wouldn't call Skip a brain scarecrow tho :)

Give me some other words then... :)
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2010, 08:34:58 PM »
Give me some other words then... :)


Cool, hip, sophisticated, debonair?

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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2010, 08:37:15 PM »
Derail?  You mean like your petty trollish attack to start it off?



I'll say it again:  GROW UP.

You really seem to be into these avatars involving ONE EYE. You have gone from one eyed lizards to all seeing eye pyramids. Something you wanna tell us?
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2010, 08:42:56 PM »
You really seem to be into these avatars involving ONE EYE. You have gone from one eyed lizards to all seeing eye pyramids. Something you wanna tell us?

Is it something you should know?   :)

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Re: Garbage from Vatican Reveals Secret Archives thread
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2010, 11:44:48 PM »
I thought no more religious threads  ???
Or is that only Islam and not Catholicism

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Re: Garbage from Vatican Reveals Secret Archives thread
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 12:11:42 AM »
wait, what am I saying, clearly to many of you fuckhead are semiretared so I'll move it special for the dipshits.  No more religious threads no matter what. ::)
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 12:14:15 AM »
But even that's mute if you don't know exactly what it is you want to look at.

you mean "moot?"

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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2010, 11:38:11 AM »
Yayyyy...my thread has reappeared.
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2010, 11:42:24 AM »
religion can be corrupt...man o man....an ephiphany i'm having....or do i need to shit...hmmmm


shouldn't this be on the "scifi" (aka religion) board? >:(
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2010, 11:51:52 AM »
religion can be corrupt...man o man....an ephiphany i'm having....or do i need to shit...hmmmm


shouldn't this be on the "scifi" (aka religion) board? >:(

Why don't we "MOVE" you to the "WE DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT IS" board...
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Re: Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2010, 12:30:04 PM »
Why don't we "MOVE" you to the "WE DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT IS" board...

swing n a miss...
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