you just agreed that the purpose of the treaty was about safe passage of our ships so why do you keep repeating the same false question and implying (as it appears to me) that the rewriting of this treaty (seems like the old one of voided due to violations) has some relevence to support your erroneous belief that our country was founded on Christianity or Christian principals.
Once again, you don't get it. Our resident coward, Lurker, used the Treaty to prop his claim that America is not a Christian nation. When I brought up the fact that Article 11 was dropped in 1805 and asked him to explain why, he did what he does best.....RUNS AND HIDES LIKE A PUNK.
And, it's not my erroneous belief about America being a Christian nation. It's what the Founding Fathers ACTUALLY SAID. If THEY wrote the Constitution and THEY say America is a Christian nation, then that's what it is, period.
If one were being intellectually honest they wouldn't even need to refer to this treaty. They could just read our Constition and reach the conclusion that the US was a secular government (not a monarchy or theocracy, etc..) but if there was any lignering doubt then this treaty is certainly relevent and is really the nail in the coffin of any claim otherwise
Hardly!!! Especially considering what the men who wrote the Constitution had to say about it. And, claiming that the Treaty is the nail in the coffin, when Article 11 gets REMOVED eight years later, is ridiculous.
Factor into that the continued statements by the Founding Fathers that America is a Christian nation, which occured SHORTLY AFTER the Treaty was signed and your claim makes even less sense.
Let’s consider the facts:
1. It was the first treaty ever written by our new government and it would make sense that we would include a clarification on the structure of our government, especially when dealing with a Muslim nation.
2. It was written contemporaneous with the founding of this nation and this form of government (this is hugely relevant)
3. It contained clear and unequivocal language that said the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
4. It was passed unanimously (not one single Christian at the time voted against it)
The fact that the treaty was violated and eventually re-written at a later date is completely irrelevant to the statement of fact in Article 11 of the original document
The problems with your assertions continue, particularly statements three and four.
"It contained clear and unequivocal language that said the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"How clear that language is or was is still subject to debate. Regardless, we STILL have our Founders making statements, such as...
By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.That's from the Supreme Court. (not one Christian, of which I'm aware, demanded a constitutional amendment to overturn that ruling).
"It was passed unanimously (not one single Christian at the time voted against it)"The renegotiated treaty in 1805 passed, too. (Not one single Christian at the time, of whom I'm aware, voted against it; if there were some who did, they were obviously in the minority).
