WrestleMania Results & Discussion:

[MCWAY]

I always laughed at how on the Ultimate Warrior DVD (a very negative DVD) they had to put HIS trademark on the bottom of the screen at the end because he owns the rights to the name..

he press slammed Vince in court.

Did he? As I understand the suit was $6 million vs. Helwig getting the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name and character. Does that mean that McMahon simply gave him the rights to the name vs. coughing up the money?

[Playboy]

Did he? As I understand the suit was $6 million vs. Helwig getting the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name and character. Does that mean that McMahon simply gave him the rights to the name vs. coughing up the money?

Warrior sued McMahon and was awarded his name AND 6 mill from a judge.

[MCWAY]

Warrior sued McMahon and was awarded his name AND 6 mill from a judge.

I've never seen anything stating that. Every source I've read about it claims that Warrior simply won the rights to the name, not that he got the money.

And, he recently lost his lawsuit against WWE for making "The Self-Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior". WWE and Warrior, however, came to an agreement and waived the court costs that Warrior had to pay.

[Montague]

It was stupid for Hellwig to try suing over that DVD.
Yet, I knew he would.
He may own the rights to the UW name & likeness, but Vince owns all the WWF footage that UW appears on.

The footage shot before Hellwig acquired the UW rights is property of Titan.
The stuff shot after Jim’s acquisition was done in contractual agreement with WWF.
Warrior’s paycheck for that work constitutes the financial compensation WWF paid to use the UW character – a licensing fee or lease, if you will.

Essentially, any footage of UW for which WWE reimbursed him is Vince’s property.
And unless there was some kind of contractual agreement regarding future use, Vince can do whatever he wants to with that footage without having to answer to Hellwig.

Jim can do whatever he wants with the UW persona.
But he can’t stop Vince from doing whatever he wants with the material he paid for years ago.

[Hulkster]

true.

if you notice, WM6 stuff with warrior always pops up in video montages.

I am sure if Vince had to pay Warrior royalties each time it was shown, it would not have appeared.

[Montague]

I suspect that the only way Hellwig could successfully sue Vince is if the old man did something “new” with the UW character – like giving someone else the gimmick (similar to what they did with Doink).
Then Jim could say, “Hey, you can’t do that. I own the sole rights to that gimmick, and you can’t use it.”

Vince can do as he pleases with the portion he already paid for.
The rest belongs to Jim.    
Unfortunately for Jim, the most valuable portion of the Ultimate Warrior belongs to WWE - and ironically, Hellwig can't touch that.

[Hulkster]

the one thing I must say that I do admire about Jim is that he has basically said 'Fuck You' to Vince, owned him in court and basically didn't come crawling back like everyone else - at least after his career was done.

even Bret gave in eventually.

I was very surprised to see him in a WWE ring again. to be honest, I guess I lost a little respect for him.

after what Vince did to him, he never should have come back.

morals are important IMO.

[Montague]

I agree with you.
But, I also suspect that Bret wasn’t happy with either his WWF or overall career ending.

This last run may be the closest thing to the “high note” that Bret always wanted to end on.
Improved relations may also help the Dynasty.
I haven’t been keeping tabs, but I suspect that Bret may do some future work with the Fed – at least, in some capacity.

I also think he'll probably work to get Owen some commercial recognition, although the toughest battle there will likely be with Martha.

[Playboy]

I've never seen anything stating that. Every source I've read about it claims that Warrior simply won the rights to the name, not that he got the money.

And, he recently lost his lawsuit against WWE for making "The Self-Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior". WWE and Warrior, however, came to an agreement and waived the court costs that Warrior had to pay.

Watch the Warrior DVD. Jim Ross stated that he was awarded 6 mil.

[Playboy]

It was stupid for Hellwig to try suing over that DVD.
Yet, I knew he would.
He may own the rights to the UW name & likeness, but Vince owns all the WWF footage that UW appears on.

The footage shot before Hellwig acquired the UW rights is property of Titan.
The stuff shot after Jim’s acquisition was done in contractual agreement with WWF.
Warrior’s paycheck for that work constitutes the financial compensation WWF paid to use the UW character – a licensing fee or lease, if you will.

Essentially, any footage of UW for which WWE reimbursed him is Vince’s property.
And unless there was some kind of contractual agreement regarding future use, Vince can do whatever he wants to with that footage without having to answer to Hellwig.

Jim can do whatever he wants with the UW persona.
But he can’t stop Vince from doing whatever he wants with the material he paid for years ago.

Spot on to that post! Warrior will never be satisfied. He is constantly suing people (not just WWE) for rights to this and rights to that and other bullshit. He is a freakin tool.

[MCWAY]

Watch the Warrior DVD. Jim Ross stated that he was awarded 6 mil.

No he doesn't. I have the DVD and just watched it shortly after making that post, earlier.

Jim Ross: "The fact that he would file a multi-million dollar lawsuit, to acquire the rights to his name.......one would think you're doing it for business purposes.

And later, during that section regarding the lawsuit, Ross is a bit dismissive about it.

If that lawsuit allowed him to have the rights to his name, you know, good for him.

So, once again, where is the confirmation that Helwig did indeed get 6 million dollars along with the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" name?

[Playboy]

No he doesn't. I have the DVD and just watched it shortly after making that post, earlier.

Jim Ross: "The fact that he would file a multi-million dollar lawsuit, to acquire the rights to his name.......one would think you're doing it for business purposes.

And later, during that section regarding the lawsuit, Ross is a bit dismissive about it.

If that lawsuit allowed him to have the rights to his name, you know, good for him.

So, once again, where is the confirmation that Helwig did indeed get 6 million dollars along with the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" name?

Chill. No need to be self righteous  From Wrestlefest site...

The WWE and Warrior Settle Lawsuit

Published September 20th, 2009 in Headlines


Reports are indicating that the lawsuit Warrior (Ultimate Warrior) filed against WWE back in January 2006 regarding the Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior DVD is over. Judge Douglas L. Rayes ruled that Warrior could not sue Vince for damages over the WWE’s comments about him on the DVD. Warrior filed a claim stating that the DVD violated a March 2000 Settlement Agreement between the WWE and Ultimate Creations Inc, which is Warrior’s Arizona corporation. That agreement allowed the WWE to use footage of Warrior, but that Warrior owned the rights and trademarks to the Ultimate Warrior character and could use them in any future venue as he decreed. It was also agreed that both parties would “not disparage each other”. The WWE agreed to pay $890,000 to Warrior’s Ultimate Creations as part of the settlement agreement. This fails in comparison to Warriors past lawsuit for rights to his name when he was awarded by a New York court the sum of 6 million dollars. The case had been dragging, and during his appearances, it was found that Warrior made “publicly disparaging claims” against the WWE. It was ruled that Warrior himself breached the contract, and that he was not legally able to receive damages for the same thing he accused WWE of.

[MCWAY]

Chill. No need to be self righteous   From Wrestlefest site...

The WWE and Warrior Settle Lawsuit

Published September 20th, 2009 in Headlines


Reports are indicating that the lawsuit Warrior (Ultimate Warrior) filed against WWE back in January 2006 regarding the Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior DVD is over. Judge Douglas L. Rayes ruled that Warrior could not sue Vince for damages over the WWE’s comments about him on the DVD. Warrior filed a claim stating that the DVD violated a March 2000 Settlement Agreement between the WWE and Ultimate Creations Inc, which is Warrior’s Arizona corporation. That agreement allowed the WWE to use footage of Warrior, but that Warrior owned the rights and trademarks to the Ultimate Warrior character and could use them in any future venue as he decreed. It was also agreed that both parties would “not disparage each other”. The WWE agreed to pay $890,000 to Warrior’s Ultimate Creations as part of the settlement agreement. This fails in comparison to Warriors past lawsuit for rights to his name when he was awarded by a New York court the sum of 6 million dollars. The case had been dragging, and during his appearances, it was found that Warrior made “publicly disparaging claims” against the WWE. It was ruled that Warrior himself breached the contract, and that he was not legally able to receive damages for the same thing he accused WWE of.

I wasn't being self-righteous. I merely pointed out that Ross does NOT confirm on the "Self-Destruction...." DVD that Helwig actually got the $6 million, just the rights to the Warrior name. And, I hadn't seen any reports that he got the money, until now. All I've seen, until now, was that he won the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name.

[Playboy]

I wasn't being self-righteous. I merely pointed out that Ross does NOT confirm on the "Self-Destruction...." DVD that Helwig actually got the $6 million, just the rights to the Warrior name. And, I hadn't seen any reports that he got the money, until now. All I've seen, until now, was that he won the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name.

Now you have your answer. Cheers.

[cheftim]

I think Undertaker is gonna face HHH next year. Then Cena the next for his 20th win.

[Playboy]

I think Undertaker is gonna face HHH next year. Then Cena the next for his 20th win.

Are we even gonna have a Raw show tonight? I read that the Raw oster is still stuck in Europe due to flight cancellations from that volcanic ash. 

[MCWAY]

I think Undertaker is gonna face HHH next year. Then Cena the next for his 20th win.

I don't see that working, unless it's a title match. Besides, the streak loses a bit of its luster, if 'Taker keeps facing men he's beaten already.

Kane, twice; Michaels, twice. I'd say one match against Cena; he's really the only guy left, worth facing that the Deadman hasn't defeated at WrestleMania.

[Montague]

Vince needs to start building up some new talent QUICK!!!

[MCWAY]

Vince needs to start building up some new talent QUICK!!!

He already has. The Cenas, Ortons, Batistas etc. will replace guys like Helmsley and 'Taker. Plus, you have Punk, Swagger, Kingston, Miz, Morrison, Sheamus, etc.

[Montague]

I’ll give the benefit of the doubt, but until/unless they continue to improve by leaps & bounds, I cannot consider someone like Miz or even Swagger as a suitable “replacement” for the Undertaker.
That would be like replacing filet mignon with chicken McNuggets. 
And not the good, old-fashioned McNuggets, either – I mean the newer “healthier” ones.

But, I digress...

Punk, on the other hand, has impressed the hell out of me.
Despite his look (or lack, thereof), he's come a long way.
I remember working indy shows with him 6 years ago.
I always smile to myself that he made it to the Fed., as I'd always pegged him as a ROH/indy worker-4-life.

[cheftim]

I don't see that working, unless it's a title match. Besides, the streak loses a bit of its luster, if 'Taker keeps facing men he's beaten already.

Kane, twice; Michaels, twice. I'd say one match against Cena; he's really the only guy left, worth facing that the Deadman hasn't defeated at WrestleMania.

I wouldn't complain if I saw HHH take on the Undertaker again at Mania. The whole show is repetitive. How many times have we seen Cena vs. Edge? HHH in another Mania main event then Cena for 20 years undefeated. Thats pretty awesome what the Undertaker has done.

[Playboy]

Vince needs to start building up some new talent QUICK!!!

The only way that will happen is if he signs new talant asap. Thats Vince's problem. Before he had Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, Paul Heyman & Bruce Pritchard scouting different talant across the world. Now he has nobody experienced doing that.

[Montague]

What kind of impact do you think Heyman would have on TNA?

[Playboy]

What kind of impact do you think Heyman would have on TNA?

He'll be good backstage as he knows the business well. He can help the talant, sign new talant, scout, etc. From what I have heard, TNA is trying to sign Jim Ross & Heyman.

[Montague]

Supposedly, Ross & Taz keep in touch.
When is JR’s contract up?
I just could never see him leaving the Fed.

Time could prove me wrong.