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Re: Obama OWNS Republicans on Live TV for a full hour in Q&A session!
« Reply #250 on: February 02, 2010, 09:30:32 AM »
"Then why is it FOX is totally blowing all other out of the water in ratings?"

Springer blew Oprah out of the water on ratings for a long time.  Doesn't mean it's better programming of course.  Just more toothless hillbilies than soccer moms watching.

Plus, older people who are at home all day tend to be repubs.
Younger people who are at work /college more tend to be repubs.

FOX and MSNBC are both shills for their political parties.

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« Reply #251 on: February 02, 2010, 10:02:18 AM »
try using spell check asshole  ::)

who are you tough guy, ever have your eyeball poked into your brain? ever been maimed and beaten to a pulp, well keep pushing it.

retard is correct you twunt. bigot is incorrect, thanks for pointing out the error i hope to improve upon my grammar in the near future.

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« Reply #252 on: February 02, 2010, 10:43:04 AM »
"Then why is it FOX is totally blowing all other out of the water in ratings?"

Springer blew Oprah out of the water on ratings for a long time.  Doesn't mean it's better programming of course.  Just more toothless hillbilies than soccer moms watching.

Plus, older people who are at home all day tend to be repubs.
Younger people who are at work /college more tend to be repubs.

FOX and MSNBC are both shills for their political parties.

yes, but fox has better ratings.
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« Reply #253 on: February 02, 2010, 10:48:18 AM »
yes, they have better ratings.  No denying that.  MSN is geared toward younger lib viewers.  FOX geared toward odler conservative voters.

FOX viewers have more time to watch.


Just like drivel such as American Idol and Dancing with Stars cleans up at primetime - young people are home to watch it.  At that same 8 oclock slot, old people who don't like Simon Cowell are finding Bill OReilly to suit their tastes better.  MSN has to compete with primtime sitcoms and reality shows.  FOX much less.

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« Reply #254 on: February 02, 2010, 11:13:14 AM »
yes, they have better ratings.  No denying that.  MSN is geared toward younger lib viewers.  FOX geared toward odler conservative voters.

FOX viewers have more time to watch.


Just like drivel such as American Idol and Dancing with Stars cleans up at primetime - young people are home to watch it.  At that same 8 oclock slot, old people who don't like Simon Cowell are finding Bill OReilly to suit their tastes better.  MSN has to compete with primtime sitcoms and reality shows.  FOX much less.
So you're saying people who watch FOX are stupid, lazy and probably unemployed.

The people watching FOX aren't changing their viewing times. They are changing what they choose to watch. The number of overall viewers at the time slot remains the same. People aren't shuffling their schedules just to watch TV. They are not watching MSN/CNN/etc anymore.

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...just the way I presented my argument -- with nothing to back it up, is the same way you're arguing that FOX watchers are stupid and lazy, and somehow materialize out of thin air, or move over from Dancing with the Stars.

If they were watching something you supported, you'd call your arguments inane. This isn't football or baseball, this is our country. Watch what makes sense, not what supports your beliefs. FOX doesn't always make sense (Hannity is obviously a Repub fanboy, Beck gets tiresome, etc.), but it usually makes better sense than most of the current alternatives.


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« Reply #255 on: February 02, 2010, 02:21:11 PM »
who are you tough guy, ever have your eyeball poked into your brain? ever been maimed and beaten to a pulp, well keep pushing it.

retard is correct you twunt. bigot is incorrect, thanks for pointing out the error i hope to improve upon my grammar in the near future.

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its the internet man, its only the internet. you must have every tap out shirt there is?

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« Reply #256 on: February 02, 2010, 03:30:05 PM »
its the internet man, its only the internet. you must have every tap out shirt there is?

had almost all of them, had to get rid of them all though, to many blood stains, nothing gets victim out of t-shirts, NOTHING. i busted up so many people in those shirts, just watching them tap as i broke there bones or cut their thighs with my switchblade, to funny. You pressing your luck? because i can punch a hole in your chest bigger then haiders asshole.

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« Reply #257 on: February 02, 2010, 03:45:45 PM »
I'm actually voting republican on the next election simply because I'm not up for paying 41% in income tax.  That said, Obama did seriously pown repubs in that Q&A session...
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« Reply #258 on: February 02, 2010, 04:28:55 PM »
had almost all of them, had to get rid of them all though, to many blood stains, nothing gets victim out of t-shirts, NOTHING. i busted up so many people in those shirts, just watching them tap as i broke there bones or cut their thighs with my switchblade, to funny. You pressing your luck? because i can punch a hole in your chest bigger then haiders asshole.
pressing my luck? no. its the internet man and this is getbig. anger management is calling for you, brosky. all it takes is a .355 hole and that takes care of it. no need to get dirty. ;)

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« Reply #259 on: February 02, 2010, 05:00:29 PM »
 FOX KILLS THEM IN RATINGS NOT BECAUSE THE VIEWERS HAVE "MORE TIME TO WATCH".. it is what the country leans towards.. most americans consider themselves moderates that lean right.. so naturally they "lean" towards fox news.. liberal leaning stations never do well based on message.. look at air america.. they failed.. and were failing the moment they went on the air.. why? no one listened to them because of their message..yet rush, hannity, o reilly, beck ect all do very well on radio and on tv..

 and tbombz.. once again repubs cant stop anything.. they dont have the votes.. and we are not talking about who the amewrican people elected into office in regards to obama.. we are talking about watching the polls that show that the american people did want that health care bill.. sure they wanted some reform.. but the bill obama and pelosi were pushing the (the american people) wanted no part of.. last poll averages were 68%.. and since they werent listening they got nailed..

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« Reply #260 on: February 02, 2010, 05:41:59 PM »
Why did Fox cut away from the Q&A session when Obama was on a roll ???
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« Reply #261 on: February 02, 2010, 05:53:13 PM »
I'm actually voting republican on the next election simply because I'm not up for paying 41% in income tax.  That said, Obama did seriously pown repubs in that Q&A session...
Like that'll change with a shift in administration.

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« Reply #262 on: February 02, 2010, 05:55:43 PM »
It's going to get much worse for me if Obama is able to push through the tax increases for the "wealthy". 
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« Reply #263 on: February 02, 2010, 05:57:30 PM »
With a 4 trillion budget deficit we'll all have to start to learn to live with less.  :-\

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« Reply #264 on: February 02, 2010, 05:59:27 PM »
It's going to get much worse for me if Obama is able to push through the tax increases for the "wealthy". 

For most Getbiggers too, most of whom haven't been negatively effected by the downturn because of their wealth.  ;D

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« Reply #265 on: February 02, 2010, 06:05:34 PM »
With a 4 trillion budget deficit we'll all have to start to learn to live with less.  :-\
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« Reply #266 on: February 02, 2010, 06:12:11 PM »
For most Getbiggers too, most of whom haven't been negatively effected by the downturn because of their wealth.  ;D

Hey, look who's back. How has your investment portfolio been holding up? Hope your net worth didn't fall into the 9-figure range. Would suck to have to use one of "their" country clubs.

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« Reply #267 on: February 02, 2010, 06:18:24 PM »
Hey, look who's back. How has your investment portfolio been holding up? Hope your net worth didn't fall into the 9-figure range. Would suck to have to use one of "their" country clubs.

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« Reply #268 on: February 02, 2010, 06:59:54 PM »
With a 4 trillion budget deficit we'll all have to start to learn to live with less.  :-\

What do you think his plan called for? Live on less, depend on the government.

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« Reply #269 on: February 02, 2010, 07:12:56 PM »
FOX KILLS THEM IN RATINGS NOT BECAUSE THE VIEWERS HAVE "MORE TIME TO WATCH".. it is what the country leans towards.. most americans consider themselves moderates that lean right.. so naturally they "lean" towards fox news.. liberal leaning stations never do well based on message.. look at air america.. they failed.. and were failing the moment they went on the air.. why? no one listened to them because of their message..yet rush, hannity, o reilly, beck ect all do very well on radio and on tv..

 and tbombz.. once again repubs cant stop anything.. they dont have the votes.. and we are not talking about who the amewrican people elected into office in regards to obama.. we are talking about watching the polls that show that the american people did want that health care bill.. sure they wanted some reform.. but the bill obama and pelosi were pushing the (the american people) wanted no part of.. last poll averages were 68%.. and since they werent listening they got nailed..

the people didnt want what health care bill?? the people didnt want the healthcare bill that was going to have a review board set up to consider whether or not they should continue giving medication to the elderly. the people were against death panels, waiting 5 month for a doctor visit, and they didnt want to lose the type of quality care they have now. most of the american people think that the reform is going to cause al those things, because the media is always being "fair and balanced" and making sure that they not only show the democrat proposals, but also the republican response as well...and when the national news is having people on that look and sound credible saying that the obama bill will make all these horrible things happen, what do you think people are going to do? the people tend to believe whatever the politicians tell them, and disregard facts. like the fact that universal healthcare works wonderfully in several nations across the world, with less money per capita spent on healthcare in those countries than we spend per capita here, and they al have excellent covrage and service. The people of france germany canada etc all find it very stupid that americans are forced to pay huge for doctors visits surgeries and medications.

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« Reply #270 on: February 02, 2010, 07:20:46 PM »
http://www.rollingstone.com:80/politics/story/31234647/obamas_big_sellout

"Barack Obama ran for president as a man of the people, standing up to Wall Street as the global economy melted down in that fateful fall of 2008. He pushed a tax plan to soak the rich, ripped NAFTA for hurting the middle class and tore into John McCain for supporting a bankruptcy bill that sided with wealthy bankers "at the expense of hardworking Americans." Obama may not have run to the left of Samuel Gompers or Cesar Chavez, but it's not like you saw him on the campaign trail flanked by bankers from Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. What inspired supporters who pushed him to his historic win was the sense that a genuine outsider was finally breaking into an exclusive club, that walls were being torn down, that things were, for lack of a better or more specific term, changing.

Then he got elected."

" 'Just look at the timeline of the Citigroup deal," says one leading Democratic consultant. "Just look at it. It's fucking amazing. Amazing! And nobody said a thing about it."...

"So on November 23rd, 2008, a deal is announced in which the government will bail out Rubin's messes at Citigroup with a massive buffet of taxpayer-funded cash and guarantees. It is a terrible deal for the government, almost universally panned by all serious economists, an outrage to anyone who pays taxes. Under the deal, the bank gets $20 billion in cash, on top of the $25 billion it had already received just weeks before as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program. But that's just the appetizer. The government also agrees to charge taxpayers for up to $277 billion in losses on troubled Citi assets, many of them those toxic CDOs that Rubin had pushed Citi to invest in. No Citi executives are replaced, and few restrictions are placed on their compensation. It's the sweetheart deal of the century, putting generations of working-stiff taxpayers on the hook to pay off Bob Rubin's fuck-up-rich tenure at Citi. "If you had any doubts at all about the primacy of Wall Street over Main Street," former labor secretary Robert Reich declares when the bailout is announced, "your doubts should be laid to rest."

"Geithner, in other words, is hired to head the U.S. Treasury by an executive from Citigroup — Michael Froman — before the ink is even dry on a massive government giveaway to Citigroup that Geithner himself was instrumental in delivering. In the annals of brazen political swindles, this one has to go in the all-time Fuck-the-Optics Hall of Fame."

"Left unnoticed, however, was the fact that Geithner had been hired by a sitting Citigroup executive who still had a big bonus coming despite his proximity to Obama. In January 2009, just over a month after the bailout, Citigroup paid Froman a year-end bonus of $2.25 million. But as outrageous as it was, that payoff would prove to be chump change for the banker crowd, who were about to get everything they wanted — and more — from the new president."

Democrats pushed the move as politically uncontroversial, claiming that the bill will force Wall Street to pay for any future bailouts and "doesn't use taxpayer money." In reality, that was complete bullshit. The way the bill was written, the FDIC would basically borrow money from the Treasury — i.e., from ordinary taxpayers — to bail out any of the nation's two dozen or so largest financial companies that the president deems in need of government assistance. After the bailout is executed, the president would then levy a tax on financial firms with assets of more than $10 billion to repay the Treasury within 60 months — unless, that is, the president decides he doesn't want to! "They can wait indefinitely to repay," says Rep. Brad Sherman of California, who dubbed the early version of the bill "TARP on steroids."

The new bailout authority also mandated that future bailouts would not include an exchange of equity "in any form" — meaning that taxpayers would get nothing in return for underwriting Wall Street's mistakes. Even more outrageous, it specifically prohibited Congress from rejecting tax giveaways to Wall Street, as it did last year, by removing all congressional oversight of future bailouts."

"These are the kinds of voters whom Obama's gang of Wall Street advisers is counting on: People whose votes depend not on whether the party in power delivers them jobs or protects them from economic villains, but on what cultural markers the candidate flashes on TV. Finance reform has become to Obama what Iraq War coffins were to Bush: something to be tucked safely out of sight."

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« Reply #271 on: February 02, 2010, 09:18:22 PM »
the people didnt want what health care bill?? the people didnt want the healthcare bill that was going to have a review board set up to consider whether or not they should continue giving medication to the elderly. the people were against death panels, waiting 5 month for a doctor visit, and they didnt want to lose the type of quality care they have now. most of the american people think that the reform is going to cause al those things, because the media is always being "fair and balanced" and making sure that they not only show the democrat proposals, but also the republican response as well...and when the national news is having people on that look and sound credible saying that the obama bill will make all these horrible things happen, what do you think people are going to do? the people tend to believe whatever the politicians tell them, and disregard facts. like the fact that universal healthcare works wonderfully in several nations across the world, with less money per capita spent on healthcare in those countries than we spend per capita here, and they al have excellent covrage and service. The people of france germany canada etc all find it very stupid that americans are forced to pay huge for doctors visits surgeries and medications.

Dude, do read anything that's going on in those countries in regards to health care? Why do think most people from other countries that can afford it come here? Now, I'm not being an ass but I have a feeling you being only 20 years old, have no idea what it's to pay taxes and more than likely have your health insurance still under your parents policy. These are not just politicians that are saying thins but rather experts in their field like health care and economics that are not hand picked by the administration for a photo op with their doctors garb on.


Here tbombz, read up and have a blast, you won't believe any of it because you fit right in with MTV crowd, but what the hell, here it is anyway.


http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html

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« Reply #272 on: February 03, 2010, 06:21:41 AM »
I respect MindSpin for his stance.  Like I said, a few of my friends are in the same boat, and I don't begrudge them for looking out for their own self interest.

At least he's not delusional about what's going on.

As to why Fox cut away from the Republican Q&A?  Because the president was undermining the narrative the channel was trying to put forward.  Obama was up there, answering questions and undermining everything the GOP and FOX portray him to be: uncooperative, unwilling to listen to the Republican viewpoints, spending money with no reasoning, etc.

Fox and the Republicans cry that "tort reform" will solve health care.  Obama addressed this by sayin he spoke to top economists and said that they suggested tort reform would save a couple of percent.  He then went on to say he would like to speak to the GOP suggestions on how to, specifically, deal with tort reform, and no one has taken them up on his offer.  The crowd was silent.

It's easy to complain and bitch and moan and point out what's wrong.  Hell, Dems did it when Bush was in charge.  It's much harder to actually FIX problems.

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« Reply #273 on: February 03, 2010, 06:25:56 AM »
Also, I think Fox is more popular mainly because they put forth a much simpler narrative than most liberal-leaning networks.

Rove was very successful in streamlining and simplifying a message and creating mantras and sounbites.  Obama is a socialist; No on big government; etc.  These are much easier to digest and take as a stance than something that's actually "fair and balanced."

MSNBC is trying to create a similar narrative, but on the other side of the spectrum. And I hate it.  (Olbermann is annoying as shit when he rants, especially.)

It's like getbig and this very thread.  People would rather yell "Obama's a commie" than actually read 1000 page bills and discuss policy.

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« Reply #274 on: February 03, 2010, 06:33:42 AM »
Not overtaxing business and the wealthier affects everyone, of any race or gender, who owns businesses, invests in businesses (capital gains taxes and S-coprs) and/or is in a household that makes a combined income of $250K....taxation is color blind.  Your argument that the republicans only protect rich whites is ignorant. 

You're right, I oversimplified thins a bit.  (Let's face it, though ALL politicians, for the most part, are about protecting the interest of rich whites.)

Still, with a huge deficit and national debt, the money's gotta come from SOMEWHERE.  We can't help create jobs, extend unemployment, etc. without government funds.  Nor can we ever hope to balance the budget.

The current administration came into office with something like a 1.3 TRILLION dollar deficit.  A lot of it is from the wars we're engaged in.  A lot of it is from the economic programs ther previous administration passed and the lack of regulation/financial crisis.  Yes, Obama is making it bigger, but he's now trying to fix a HUGE problem.

While your point is valid to an extent, I don't really buy into the trickle down economy thing; and I'm a firm believer that the middle class is the strength of the economy and shouldn't bear the burden.  (Consumer spending is the number 1 force in our economy.)

There's no easy answer, and economics isn't a science.  Still, I'm for increasing the taxes on the top 5% and giving the 95% a bit of a break.  (What the current administration has tried/is trying to do.)